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A "simple man" doesn't mug for every camera, microphone and book agent. But what do you care; you're not really interested in a flesh and blood man named Samuel Wurzelbacher, you're all about the mythical, fictional character dubbed "Joe the Plumber".Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
Yeah, he's a simple man with an agent.
Dude is fair game.
Of course he is fair game. Everyone is fair game.
It's just pathetic how the left ripped into to this guy for asking obamamama a simple question.
Bitch about Patriot Act and then background check the fuck out of him. :toast
Nah, it was awesome. I like how he keeps coming back for more after getting owned.
He should post here.
This guys is a freakin douche! He is one of those people who doesn't have a pot to piss in, but wants to sound like he knows wtf he is talking about. Dumbass is probably still an apprentice. I wish that guy Shep would had interviewed his dumbass.
Actually, he's been ripped for being a hypocritical shill who ignored the substance of Obama's very polite, civil answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti.Hero
It is only too perfect that you guys place this made-up myth on a pedestal to represent you.
The election may be over but the job of getting the Country back on track has just begun dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Joe the Plumber sums up the state of the Republican Party and the Conservative movement. They literally have no message or ideas worth a damn anymore. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
Joe the Plumber is their last pathetic attempt at appearing relevant to the common man. The bottom line is this, Joe DID ask Obama a legitimate question and Obama answered him in a civil manner. It turns out that Joe was lying the entire time, and he is actually in no position to own a small business or anything of the like thus making his "question" nothing more than a hit job attempt by the Republican party. To make matters worse this moron goes on every TV station he can saying that Obama would bring about the death of Israel. He knows nothing about what he speaks of and yet wants people out there to take him seriously. He absolutely deserves any and all shit he is getting flung his way. Anyone who would defend this moron IS a moron.
First of all, Joe the plumber needs to learn that democracy can mean you live in a socialist nation. I'm sick of people who can't even use the proper terminology because they have no idea what the hell they're talking about. Secondly, the dude should just stfu about taking other people's money considering he's been on fucking welfare. Thats absolutely inane. He paid into welfare? Is that a fucking joke? This guy is a joke and I can't wait till he disappears.
As for Anti Hero's use of the victim card here, its downright laughable. Joe has put himself in the national spotlight as a surrogate for McCain and as a figure for the conservative movement. Pointing out how ridiculous and uninformed his notions are is not pathetic by any means. If Joe continues to give interviews and speak out on subjects for which he has absolutely no authority on he should continue to expect to be shown for the fool he is.
Obama is against democracy. HA.
Obama was walking around the neighborhood with cameras. Joe came up and asked a legitimate question. He personalized the question when he should have parsed it in hypothetical terms. While not ideal, it's hardly criminal and, left alone, really wouldn't have been so bad.
Obama answered his question, not just in a civil manner, but in a very difficult one for a politician - he answered it honestly. He didn't backtrack on his policies. He didn't double-talk. He admitted that his policy would cause a few people to pay slightly higher taxes and that was something that had to happen for the benefit of the majority of a nation. Most Americans understand, that's something a leader does.
Had the exchange ended there, it would have been a mild footnote. But Fox News and Drudge decided to highlight this exchange as though it were somehow an embarrassment for Obama. They leaned on it so much that the McCain people - without vetting (they probably thought that surely Fox News would have looked into the guy) - decided to use Joe as a poster child, mentioning him 11 times. ELEVEN TIMES during a nationally televised debate.
The media then vetted the person who was so important to McCain's pitch that he mentioned him 11 times. Come to find out Joe is a bit of a fibber, a whore for anyone with a camera and not that bright on the issues. This is the media's job and they haven't been doing enough of it in the last 8 years.
Joe has chased everyone one of his 15 minutes of fame. He aligned himself with the campaign. You can't complain about being famous and then whore for the camera and shill. Well, you can, but it makes you look like a hypocrite and an idiot.
No one attacked Joe the Plumber for asking a question. They merely pointed out that his question was insincere and shouldn't have been used as a public platform by McCain. Everything following that Joe has brought onto himself. Which begs the question -- if Joe's problem was so common, why didn't a properly vetted person present it?
Thank you Captain Cliche. And we all know that they way to get the country back on track is to continue rehashing the same old garbage from the campaign over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyMarzetti
Moron.
"Joe The Plumber" will be one of the great, memorable, completely silly jokes of the 2008 campaign.
It was McNasty, not Obama, not the press, not the left, who robotically, stupidly repeated this guy's name in the debate, elevating him to false importance, thinking JTP was going to win McNasty some votes.
JTP is obviously trying to spin his instant celebrity into big bucks. Sure beats installing toilets.
Exit polls show that Obama won +10% in Joe's $40-$45K income range.
Can Joe afford a shirt a little upmarket from a tee-shirt for his national TV appearances? Or is this "plumber-wanna-be business casual"? :lol
Defending dubya as hero, defending JTP as a victim, loving pitbull bitch, is how trivial and irrelevant the right wing has become.
It wasn't Joe the Plumber.
It wasn't even Obama's policies.
It was, simply the phrase "Spread the Wealth Around".
It offends the sensibilities of many people in this country. Other people feel it is appropriate. It is the single most divisive issue in politics and economics. Both sides feel the other side is being greedy on the issue (both are, btw). McCain got a little traction with it, while he had a campaign with ABSOLUTELY NO traction. He spotlighted the issue, but made too much of this single guy - which then gave the Dems a target. They fired. The media then gave the dude rope, and, well, he hasn't finished hanging himself with it (on the other hand, dude is probably gonna make more $$$ in these few months than he ever has before - not gonna shed any tears, or chastise him for taking the low-hanging fruit).
And, Pixel, wtf is your hangup with me? I've not posted in this thread; nothing. Sucker punch much?
Agreed, but I don't think anyone can deny that this issue got plenty of airplay in the days leading up to the election. This point was driven home in the media, in political ads, and by the candidates themselves. The case was made and the majority still clearly went with Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
Trying to imply now that everyone focused on Joe the Plumber and didn't get a chance to hear the "real arguement" and blaming it on the media is silly when the socialist label was over the news all day everyday.
The truth that makes Republicans upset and afraid is that the majority of Americans realize that a little socialism in their largely capitalist society might not be such a bad balance. It will keep the rabid capitalists from pushing too far. That the right tried to paint small social programs as broad-sweeping extreme socialism is where they failed to get any respect for their argument.
Truthfully, a well-organized right is something I would welcome greatly because I don't want the left pushing too far into the socialist cup. Here's hoping the right regoups and does their job.
Raising taxes 35% to 39% on top brackets is socialism?
Leaving the rate at 35% is not socialism?
The socialism slime is a huge, extremely vague red herring, pure scare-mongering. The US is already a mixed capitalist/socialist system.
The capitalist/financial sector is badly broken through its own fault and the fault of conservatives destroying regulation, causing enormous, long-term pain in The Real Economy, whose "common wealth" is being redistributed to the financial/sector with no return to the The Real Economy.
I don't disagree with anything you have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaryAnnKilledGinger
This country is pretty adept at self-correction.
My only fear is new entitlement programs that grow out of control.
Been meaning to post, btw, and this is a good place for it...I think Obama's ideas of tax credits are actually pretty shrewd. If they get out of control, it's a hell of a lot easier to modify tax code, than to change a new entitlement program. If we are going to do more wealth spreading; which apparently the country wants, better to do it this way, than LBJ's way, IMO.
I've actually laughed openly about this very fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_
39% = Marxist.
35.5% = Greedy imperial capitilist
Hell, the two tax platforms EASILY could have come from two camps of a single politician's advisors! They are so similar, it's stupid. BOTH sides were guilty of overreaching rhetoric.
Let. It. Die.
Look, Joe certainly hasn't earned any sympathy but he's not scheduling his own interviews. His celebrity has been a national embarrassment and a poor reflection on a lot of people besides him. Can we please forget about it?
Have I missed the appearances where the press is breaking into his house and forcing him on camera? Most of the time I see him there's a studio backdrop behind him. That pretty much has to be scheduled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
he did interview him, and ripped him a new one. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by florige
shep thinks he's crazy, and not "fun" crazy. shep thinks he's mental.
What I'm saying is he's not calling up cable stations asking to be interviewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaryAnnKilledGinger
thats what the agent is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Didn't know about the agent. Shows how much I've been paying attention to him. But it doesn't surprise me, since I'm sure publishers are clammoring for a Joe the Plumber memoir.
Either way, the stations still have to give him air time, and for that to happen, people have to care what he has to say. He's a dumbass, but no more than several million other people in this country.
When is Tito the Builder's next appearance?
fox brings him on to bitch slap. he has no safe haven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
he's too stupid to recognize that.
I could be wrong, but other than just after the third debate when McCain made him relevant, I haven't seen him on any network other than Fox, except when he was used as a prop at a rally. But I don't know what the statistics are on his network appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
The only people keeping this guy relevant, really, are those slanted toward the right. The rest of us are just laughing about him. He'll be a cultural footnote in a few months.