Rethiniking the Obama win...

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Originally Posted by whottt

I still feel I did a better job of arguing it than most people would have.

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Of course you did. The only other people trying to make most of your arguments wear tin foil hats and have nappies after num num. The fact that no one credible was trying to make the same arguments should have, however, been a clue.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Of course it could be...the same idiots that stupidly showed up to vote for Bush in 2000 stayed home to vote in 2008. I am kind of leaning towards this one right now...

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Massive voter fraud = no ...but... Massive voter apathy = YES!
At least say ala peanut butter sandwiches when you post this kind of magic trick.

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Originally Posted by whottt

IMO this is going to be probably the most corrupt administration and congress, in history, and we also have a completely corrupt media...

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More corrupt than the administration of the last eight years would require some amazing effort. I think you should maybe retire the predictions for the moment.

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Originally Posted by whottt

and I doubt we ever recover from it as a Nation. We'll just have to see what happens in four years...

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If we're not going to ever recover, what does it matter what happens in four years?

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Originally Posted by whottt

...many of my predictions may come true then.

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Wait around long enough and anything's possible.

whottt, you are ashamed America voted a guy named Hussein?

WTF?

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Originally Posted by smeagol

whottt, you are ashamed America voted a guy named Hussein?

WTF?

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whottt the fuck, is right!

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Originally Posted by whottt

And who are these two that can make that claim?

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I am quite sure you can guess one of them, he is sort of the board recognized genius. The other is just my personal impression.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

I am quite sure you can guess one of them, he is sort of the board recognized genius. The other is just my personal impression.

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I'm the other.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

I am quite sure you can guess one of them, he is sort of the board recognized genius. The other is just my personal impression.

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The former would be Extra Stout. Pretty easy consensus. He is at the very least one of the most educated guys I have seen.

The second... not so easy. I would say scott (the economics professor).

You guys are way off.

It's clearly Galileo and Wild Cobra.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

Whottt is a smart dude, but you just used the word logic in a sentence describing a person who sincerely believes he's smarter than everyone.

There are two people on this forum who can claim that and he isnt one of them (nor am I, to be clear).

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Originally Posted by whottt

And who are these two that can make that claim?

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FWDT and ES and its not even close.

stout strikes me as a VERY smart guy. Whott is smart too... but also, quite insane.

Most of us here aren't as smart as we think we are. Some of us are worse at hiding it than others.

it still sucks. oh well, are you gonna sit there sulking or are you gonna get off yer ass and start doing something about it? it all starts with getting the rhinos out of Congress, and using the Republican primaries to do so.

-Mars

which rino's?

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Originally Posted by clambake

which rino's?

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John Warner of my home state would be a start.

-Mars

Honestly, I think everybody here on the forums are pretty smart individuals. Some are a little misguided or have crazy opinions, but they are still smart nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by ClingingMars

John Warner of my home state would be a start.

-Mars

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he voted 83.4% of the time with his party.

not enough?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

FWDT and ES and its not even close.

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+Over 9000

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Originally Posted by ClingingMars

John Warner of my home state would be a start.

-Mars

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Breaking news!

August 31, 2007, 2:57 pm
Senator Warner Announces Retirement
By Kate Phillips

Senator John Warner, 80, just announced that he would retire from his seat in Virginia at the end of his term.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...es-retirement/

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Originally Posted by clambake

he voted 83.4% of the time with his party.

not enough?

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Yes, the GOP needs to become even more conservative. They were clearly punished on November 4th for not being conservative enough.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Yes, the GOP needs to become even more conservative. They were clearly punished on November 4th for not being conservative enough.

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well yes, we put a moderate as the front-runner, and look what happened. compare that to Prop 8 in CA, one of the most "liberal" states in the Union. conservatism wins when it's on the ballot.

-Mars

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Originally Posted by ClingingMars

well yes, we put a moderate as the front-runner,

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McCain is pretty conservative. And his extremely conservative running mate frightened off everybody that isn't a right-wing Republican. So yes, in the interests of an enduring progressive majority, keep drifting rightward. :tu

That you think McCain is a "moderate" is frightening. He has an extremely conservative voting record. He just doesn't enjoy pandering to right-wing Evangelicals.

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and look what happened. compare that to Prop 8 in CA, one of the most "liberal" states in the Union. conservatism wins when it's on the ballot.

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Blacks as a group are extremely homophobic. Increased turnout for Obama in California meant the passage of Prop 8. Blacks supported Prop 8 by a margin of 70-30. Has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism and everything to do with homophobia in the black community.

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Originally Posted by Findog

McCain is pretty conservative. And his extremely conservative running mate frightened off everybody that isn't a right-wing Republican. So yes, in the interests of an enduring progressive majority, keep drifting rightward. :tu

That you think McCain is a "moderate" is frightening. He has an extremely conservative voting record. He just doesn't enjoy pandering to right-wing Evangelicals.



Blacks as a group are extremely homophobic. Increased turnout for Obama in California meant the passage of Prop 8. Blacks supported Prop 8 by a margin of 70-30. Has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism and everything to do with homophobia in the black community.

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extremely conservative? shows what you know about conservatives. ask anyone who's even partially right wing and they will tell you McCain is a moderate. during the primaries I had more trouble with him that any other candidate, save Ron Paul. There's McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy, the Gang of 12, cap and trade, global warming, and the Bush tax cuts to name a few.

homophobic? lmao, it's called conservative principles.

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It isn't that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

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-Mars

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Originally Posted by ClingingMars

extremely conservative?

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Yes, dumbass, look at his voting record. There's plenty there to warm the conservative heart.

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shows what you know about conservatives. ask anyone who's even partially right wing and they will tell you McCain is a moderate.

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By your standards, he's too "moderate." By normal, well-adjusted person standards, he's conservative.

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during the primaries I had more trouble with him that any other candidate, save Ron Paul.

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Oh yes, Ron Paul and his opposition to neoconservative foreign policy. If you believe in unfettered war so much, why don't you head on down to your local recruiting office. Otherwise, you're a chickenhawk.

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homophobic? lmao, it's called conservative principles.

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Discrimination is "conservative principles?" No wonder your side got your asses kicked in two successive election cycles. I just love that the GOP is becoming a regional sect and the home of white, evangelical Christians. If you're not a white, evangelical christian, then the GOP has no appeal. The GOP's only choice is to either join the 21st century or become a permanent minority party.

:lmao

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Originally Posted by Findog

Yes, dumbass, look at his voting record. There's plenty there to warm the conservative heart.



By your standards, he's too "moderate." By normal, well-adjusted person standards, he's conservative.



Oh yes, Ron Paul and his opposition to neoconservative foreign policy. If you believe in unfettered war so much, why don't you head on down to your local recruiting office. Otherwise, you're a chickenhawk.




Discrimination is "conservative principles?" No wonder your side got your asses kicked in two successive election cycles. I just love that the GOP is becoming a regional sect and the home of white, evangelical Christians. If you're not a white, evangelical christian, then the GOP has no appeal. The GOP's only choice is to either join the 21st century or become a permanent minority party.

:lmao

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I DID look at his voting record you dumbass, and I listed various instances in which conservatives did not agree with him, which you basically ignored. there's a reason why when he was nominated people though he wouldn't win because conservatives wouldn't care enough to vote for him. you have to be shitting me if you're trying to say that he was a conservative.

it's called attacking them before they fuck us over again. and since there hasn't been another attack, it seems to be working.

it's not fucking discrimination. they can have civil unions and be gay and do whatever, but they cannot change the institution of marriage. sorry. quite honestly it's not a priority in my book compared to abortion but it's still a conservative principle. and no, the GOP is for anyone who believes in the principles of limited government and the rule of law. not just white people, not just Christians. anybody. i love how Democrats just love to use the race/religion card all the time to paint the Republicans, but get all riled up when we call them out on it.

-Mars

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

FWDT and ES and its not even close.

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Boom shakalaka.

I don't see how you can possibly attribute allegiance to "conservative values" to African Americans as a demographic. Even with White Democrats running, they vote 85% or more for the Democratic party. They tend towards the liberal end of things on most policies. However, sad as it is to say, black culture does tend towards homophobia.

As proof, I'd like to cite a 2007 ABC/Wash. Post poll from late 2007. On the issue of Civil Unions, which a strong majority of Americans support (55 to 42), blacks only supported it at a 45% level. Whites were at 56%. That is a significant gap that goes almost directly against each macro-ethnic group's party leanings.