WTC 7 CIA Field Office Records Exempt From Disclosure
WTC 7 CIA Field Office Records Exempt From Disclosure
Submitted by Aidan Monaghan on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 6:26am.
The following is a Freedom of Information Act response from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) regarding a request for records pertaining to a description of the functions of the CIA field office once located on the 25th floor of World Trade Center Building 7.
The CIA will neither confirm or deny the existence of such records per Executive Order 12958.
FEMA WTC 7 report reference to WTC 7 CIA field office:
This is a final response to your 22 September 2008 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, received 1 October 2008 in the office ofthe Information and Privacy Coordinator, for "records that describe the functions ofthe CIA field office once located in World Trade Center Building 7 in New York City, New York or any other CIA records regarding this field office."
In accordance with section 3.6(a) of Executive Order 12958, as amended, the CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence ofrecords responsive to your request. The fact of the existence or nonexistence ofrequested records is currently and properly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by section 6 of the CIA Act of 1949, as amended. Therefore, the Agency has denied your request pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1) and (b)(3). I have enclosed an explanation of these exemptions for your reference and retention.
CIA Information and Privaey Coordinator Delores M. Nelson made this decision, which you may appeal to the Agency Release Panel, in my care, within 45 days from the date of this letter. Please include the basis of your appeal.
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Utterly Predictable forum.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Utterly Predictable forum.
Do you just knee-jerk defend the government on every issue? I suggest you sit down and read about the Founding Fathers.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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No, I knee-jerk declare the results of FOIA requests for information about CIA offices utterly predictable. The founding fathers have nothing at all to do with it.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
No, I knee-jerk declare the results of FOIA requests for information about CIA offices utterly predictable. The founding fathers have nothing at all to do with it.
The Founding Fathers, none of them, approved of government secrecy.
How do you get accurate info about the CIA then?
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
The Founding Fathers, none of them, approved of government secrecy.
Untrue.
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How do you get accurate info about the CIA then?
You don't -- until it's unclassified.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Untrue.
You don't -- until it's unclassified.
Give me an example of a Founding Father promoting government secrecy? There aren't many.
11-21-2008
DarrinS
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:sleep
11-21-2008
Galileo
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The Constitutional convention was held in secret, but all the ratification debates were held in public, after special ratifying elections were held.
The Constitution has several provisions in it for open government. The CIA has exceeded its authority.
11-21-2008
kwhitegocubs
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Well, at least this thread deals with important topics pertinent to today's difficult economic and foreign policy situations.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Are you telling me that every communication and piece of information regarding foreign intelligence was public under the first few presidents?
They most certainly were not.
11-21-2008
Extra Stout
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The duck goes quack.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Are you telling me that every communication and piece of information regarding foreign intelligence was public under the first few presidents?
They most certainly were not.
Are you telling me that Bush was for open government and George Washington was not?
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
Are you telling me that Bush was for open government and George Washington was not?
When it came to basic foreign intel, they were probably pretty like minded.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
When it came to basic foreign intel, they were probably pretty like minded.
GW wasn't into false-flag military attacks. Nor did buildings fall down by themself in those days.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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GW wasn't into false-flag military attacks.
You have no proof that GWB was.
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Nor did buildings fall down by themself in those days.
Building collapsed due to fire quite a lot in those days.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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You have no proof that GWB was.Building collapsed due to fire quite a lot in those days.
Who turned off all the fire alarms in WTC 7 at 6:47 AM? The CIA perhaps? No wonder they won't release anything.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
Who turned off all the fire alarms in WTC 7 at 6:47 AM? The CIA perhaps? No wonder they won't release anything.
The fire alarms were not turned off.
Quit lying.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The fire alarms were not turned off.
Quit lying.
They were. It is right in the NIST report. We have already been over this.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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They were not turned off. It is right in the NIST report. We have already been over this but you continue to lie about it.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
They were not turned off. It is right in the NIST report. We have already been over this but you continue to lie about it.
Who turned off the fire alrams? The entire alarm system was turned off by putting it on "test status" so no alarm messages went to the fire department, the police department, or to anyone.
It just so happened that this happened at 6:47 AM. Hmmm? How does this happen in a high security building, eh?
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
Who turned off the fire alrams? The entire alarm system was turned off by putting it on "test status" so no alarm messages went to the fire department, the police department, or to anyone.
So it's nice that you admit that you lied about the fire alarms' being turned off the sentence immediately after you said the fire alarms were turned off.
Now you are lying about no alarm messages' being sent to the fire department. I'll wait for you to correct that yourself as well.
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It just so happened that this happened at 6:47 AM. Hmmm? How does this happen in a high security building, eh?
It happens when it is a routine occurrence in this building. Had you actually read the NIST report, you would know this. You must have lied about doing that as well.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So it's nice that you admit that you lied about the fire alarms' being turned off the sentence immediately after you said the fire alarms were turned off.
Now you are lying about no alarm messages' being sent to the fire department. I'll wait for you to correct that yourself as well.
It happens when it is a routine occurrence in this building. Had you actually read the NIST report, you would know this. You must have lied about doing that as well.
The alarms were turned off. When the fires broke out, no alarms were sounded.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
The alarms were turned off. When the fires broke out, no alarms were sounded.
The alarm was not turned off. Why did you go back to lying about that?
11-21-2008
DarrinS
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Antiwar protesters vs. Twoofers
LMFAO at about 3:42 in this video. Listen to what the antiwar guy thinks about Loose Change.
:lmao
11-21-2008
FromWayDowntown
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Originally Posted by Galileo
Give me an example of a Founding Father promoting government secrecy? There aren't many.
If there are any, your statement that "The Founding Fathers, none of them, approved of government secrecy" is categorically false, since you seem to acknowledge that there was at least some degree of government secrecy at the founding of the nation.
What's funny about this request is that even if the FOIA request was satisfied by the production of documents sought, the Truther crowd would never accept the possibility that the function of that office was anything other than a front to facilitate the destruction of 9/11. If those documents said that the office functioned to keep close tabs on foreign diplomats, on the Mayor of New York City, or to bake cakes for the annual CIA bakesale, the immediate response from those who believe in nonsense like false flag operations and whatnot would be "They're lying."
11-21-2008
doobs
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This is so stupid.
11-21-2008
mookie2001
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Loose Change!!!!!!!!!!:cheer
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
If there are any, your statement that "The Founding Fathers, none of them, approved of government secrecy" is categorically false, since you seem to acknowledge that there was at least some degree of government secrecy at the founding of the nation.
What's funny about this request is that even if the FOIA request was satisfied by the production of documents sought, the Truther crowd would never accept the possibility that the function of that office was anything other than a front to facilitate the destruction of 9/11. If those documents said that the office functioned to keep close tabs on foreign diplomats, on the Mayor of New York City, or to bake cakes for the annual CIA bakesale, the immediate response from those who believe in nonsense like false flag operations and whatnot would be "They're lying."
The CIA office turned off the fire alarms.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Nobody turned off the fire alarm.
Quit lying.
11-21-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Nobody turned off the fire alarm.
Quit lying.
The alarms were turned OFF normal status.
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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Great, Now don't go back to lying about their being turned off.
11-21-2008
mookie2001
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so it doesnt mention them in the 9/11 commision report?
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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No. That wasn't a WTC7 building performance report.
Have you read the WTC7 report?
11-21-2008
mookie2001
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well cut them some slack, only left out one minor detail in a report so comprehensive
11-21-2008
ChumpDumper
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The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks
WTC7 was not important to this particular report.
Have you read the WTC7 report?
Yes or no.
11-21-2008
mookie2001
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no post it
11-22-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
The CIA office turned off the fire alarms.
Thanks for proving my point.
11-23-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by mookie2001
so it doesnt mention them in the 9/11 commision report?
No, the fire alarms are mentioned in the NIST report. The 9/11 Commission report never reported that WTC 7 fell down.
All the alarms in WTC 7 were turned off at 6:47 A.M. on the morning of 9/11.
11-23-2008
Galileo
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Great, Now don't go back to lying about their being turned off.
At what time on 9/11 were authorities alerted by the alarms in WTC 7?
Where is the data from the alarm system showing the time and location of each office fire?
Oh, that's right, aw shucks, the alarms were turned off. At 6:47 A.M., just before the hijacker's planes took off.
Bin Laden snuck right past the nose of the CIA (since tha alarm data showing security swipes was also turned off). He must have used Cheney's security card.
11-24-2008
RandomGuy
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Bullshit, meet wall.
Does it stick.... oooh nope. Sorry thanks for playing the "Throw shit at the wall" game.
11-24-2008
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Galileo
At what time on 9/11 were authorities alerted by the alarms in WTC 7?
After WTC 1 fell on it and started multiple fires.
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Where is the data from the alarm system showing the time and location of each office fire?
Since the alarm was set to test as was the routine, it sent no specific location data, but did send the time data and a general fire alarm.
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Oh, that's right, aw shucks, the alarms were turned off. At 6:47 A.M., just before the hijacker's planes took off.
The alarms were not turned off. And it's not like there weren't any firemen in the area when WTC 7 caught fire. They were just rather busy with other issues at the time. WTC 7 was completely evacuated by the time it caught fire, and once the dust cleared from the north tower collapse, it was obvious WTC 7 was ablaze. There just wasn't anything they could do about it because the city's water supply had been disrupted by the collapse of two large buildings. There is evidence the sprinklers in the upper floors of WTC 7 did indeed work since they had their own water supply, but the lower floor sprinklers were fed by the city supply. The lower floors were where the collapse initiated.
