Republican Abe Lincoln Used Deceit and Deception to Start the Civil War

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

I don't agree with everything Galileo says in fact I agree with very little but that quote above is pretty spot on.

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I agree with many people much of the time.

I just don't post it.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

According to which Supreme Court case?

So when was it overturned?

Never?

Then it's law.

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The 11th amendment limits the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

According to which Supreme Court case?

So when was it overturned?

Never?

Then it's law.

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Once a state has seceded, the Supreme Court doesn't have jurisdiction anymore. The Supreme Court only has jurisdiction over states still in the Union.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I agree with many people much of the time.

I just don't post it.

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Out of curiousity do you believe in any of the millions of conspiracy theories or arguments?

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Originally Posted by Galileo

The 11th amendment limits the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

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In matters brought by private citizens against states. Neither case fits that description.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

Once a state has seceded, the Supreme Court doesn't have jurisdiction anymore.

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Secession is illegal. States can't secede.

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The Supreme Court only has jurisdiction over states still in the Union.

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Since they were all legally still in the union, the Supreme Court had jurisdiction.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

Out of curiousity do you believe in any of the millions of conspiracy theories or arguments?

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Which ones should I believe in?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Which ones should I believe in?

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Any chance I could get you to answer the question without a question?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

In matters brought by private citizens against states. Neither case fits that description.

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or foreign countries.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Secession is illegal. States can't secede.Since they were all legally still in the union, the Supreme Court had jurisdiction.

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If a state can ratify the Constitution, it can unratify it. The Declaration of Independence spells out the right of secession.

Texas was an independent country, so it can certainly secede.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

or foreign countries.

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No it says nothing about foreign countries -- just that the court can't preside in cases brought against a US state brought by citizens of a foreign country.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

If a state can ratify the Constitution, it can unratify it. The Declaration of Independence spells out the right of secession.

Texas was an independent country, so it can certainly secede.

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Not after it joined the union.

Texas v. White.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

Any chance I could get you to answer the question without a question?

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I'm sure there are a few I could find believable. None that have been discussed at length here though.

Texas was independent BEFORE it entered the union. It never seceded from the United States. How could you not know this?

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Originally Posted by Jelly

Texas was independent BEFORE it entered the union. It never seceded from the United States. How could you not know this?

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Of course Texas seceded from the United States. How could you not know this?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Of course Texas seceded from the United States. How could you not know this?

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you mean with the civil war. okay. But a couple spaces up you are making the opposite point. So, which side are you arguing?

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never mind. You're right.

:)

Are we done here?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

:)

Are we done here?

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yeppers : )

I was asking the others, but thanks.

hmmm... I was under the impression that the constitution DID give states the right of succession... but I could be wrong :lol

and schools for ages have never taught "real" history. they have always taught that the civil War was basically the North "good guys" (anti-slavery) vs the South "bad guys" (pro-slavery). It was not that cut and dried.

I see Galileo is back to promoting false flag operations and conspiracies.

My God. All this was brewing before Lincoln became president. It started three months after he took office and succession was declared before he took office.

Three months with no communications faster than carrier pigeon or horseback.

Right. The plans were made in such short order.

Who the fuck is John V. Denson?


Looking at some of the other stuff he has written on lewrockwall.com

he sure the fuck looks like a whack job.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I see Galileo is back to promoting false flag operations and conspiracies.

My God. All this was brewing before Lincoln became president. It started three months after he took office and succession was declared before he took office.

Three months with no communications faster than carrier pigeon or horseback.

Right. The plans were made in such short order.

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You have a lot of nerve, questioning the great Galileo Galilei, the father of Modern Science, the Father of Modern Physics, the Founder of the Scietific Method, and the most brilliant man who has ever lived.

Listen to your elders!

Right, sometimes I forget I'm conversing with a complete nutjob.

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Originally Posted by kwhitegocubs

Apparently the whole "Fort Sumter" and "states declaring secession" thing was fake too.

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:lol Many of the slaves were just white actors in blackface too. Their descendants later went on to form Led Zeppelin, Hall and Oates, and The Beastie Boys.