On J.F.K.

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Originally Posted by johnsmith

Madison greatly exaggerated the severity in which the British Navy was capturing American vessels.

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Can you cite any evidence for this outrageous comment, cross-referenced with Madison's War Message?

Operation Northwoods has to be mentioned in any discussion of the JFK assassination. There are a number of places to read it, including the National Archives, but here’s a link to site where you can view each of the 15 pages separately and clearly:

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/operation_northwoods.php

Wikipedia has a summary; here’s some of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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Originally Posted by Operation Northwoods

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false flag conspiracy plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.

The plan states, "The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.
Several other proposals were listed, including the real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets. Operation Northwoods was part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project (Operation Mongoose) anti-Castro initiative. It was never officially accepted or executed.

Origins and public release
The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group.[1] (The parenthetical "TS" in the title of the document is an initialism for "Top Secret.") The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended that both the covert and overt aspects of any such operation be assigned to them.

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997, by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board,[2] a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.[3][4][5][6][7] A total 1521 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series[8][9]—specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998.[10][11] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.
The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001.[12]

James Bamford Summary
Journalist James Bamford summarized Operation Northwoods in his April 24, 2001 book Body of Secrets:
"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."[13

Related Operation Mongoose proposals
In addition to Operation Northwoods, under the Operation Mongoose program the U.S. Department of Defense had a number of similar proposals to be taken against the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro.

Twelve of these proposals come from a February 2, 1962 memorandum entitled "Possible Actions to Provoke, Harass or Disrupt Cuba," written by Brig. Gen. William H. Craig and submitted to Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the commander of the Operation Mongoose project.[14][5][6][7]

The memorandum outlines Operation Bingo, a plan to, in its words, "create an incident which has the appearance of an attack on U.S. facilities (GMO) in Cuba, thus providing an excuse for use of U.S. military might to overthrow the current government of Cuba."

It also includes Operation Dirty Trick, a plot to blame Castro if the 1962 Mercury manned space flight carrying John Glenn crashed, saying

"The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic]." It continues, "This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans."

Even after General Lemnitzer lost his job as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Joint Chiefs of Staff still planned false-flag pretext operations at least into 1963. A different U.S. Department of Defense policy paper created in 1963 discussed a plan to make it appear that Cuba had attacked a member of the Organization of American States (OAS) so that the United States could retaliate. The U.S. Department of Defense document says of one of the scenarios,

"A contrived 'Cuban' attack on an OAS member could be set up, and the attacked state could be urged to take measures of self-defense and request assistance from the U.S. and OAS."

The plan expresses confidence that by this action

"the U.S. could almost certainly obtain the necessary two-thirds support among OAS members for collective action against Cuba."[15][13]

Included in the nations the Joint Chiefs suggested as targets for covert attacks were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Since both were members of the British Commonwealth, the Joint Chiefs hoped that by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could incite the people of the United Kingdom into supporting a war against Castro.[13] As the U.S. Department of Defense report noted,

"Any of the contrived situations described above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it should be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation."[13]

The U.S. Department of Defense report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States:

"The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. Navy base at] Guantanamo."[13]

Reaction
It has been reported that John F. Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, but no official record of this exists. The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, but was not implemented. President Kennedy removed General Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly afterward, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963.

The continuing push against the Cuban government by internal elements of the U.S. military and intelligence community (the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Cuban Project, etc.) prompted President John F. Kennedy to attempt to rein in burgeoning hardline anti-Communist sentiment that was intent on proactive, aggressive action against communist movements around the globe. After the Bay of Pigs, John F. Kennedy fired then CIA director Allen W. Dulles, Deputy Director Charles P. Cabell, as well as Deputy Director Richard Bissell, and turned his attention towards Vietnam.

Kennedy also took steps to bring discipline to the CIA's Cold War and paramilitary operations by drafting a National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM) which called for the shift of Cold War operations to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the U.S. Department of Defense as well as a major change in the role of the CIA to exclusively deal in intelligence gathering.

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Although it was never executed, it remains a fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were willing use the CIA to kill 10s, perhaps 100s, of innocent people, including American citizens, to start a war with Cuba over false pretenses. That should scare the hell out of everyone.

The reason that they were willing to consider such extreme actions is because they felt that such lying and killing may be necessary to win the Cold War. Similar actions were taken in Iran in 1953 with Operation Ajax and in Chile in 1973 when Pinochet set up a military dictatorship with help from the CIA. Let’s not forget what Henry Kissinger said about the second incident:

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Originally Posted by Henry Kissinger

The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves"

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JFK was a popular president; he was going to be re-elected in 1964. He was also planning on withdrawing from Vietnam; Robert McNamara and LBJ are both on record saying that. They were also both opposed to it, along with the Joint Chiefs. We all know about the Domino Theory and the fears about all of Asia eventually falling to Communism. If the issue of Communism was too important for Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves in 1973, then the issue of Communism was too important for the American voters to decide for themselves in 1964.

The Joint Chiefs and the CIA were perfectly willing to overthrow elected leaders and set up dictatorships in foreign countries to win the Cold War. The were even willing to draw up a plan to kill innocent Americans in false flag attacks in Miami or Washington, D.C. to start a war with Cuba, if they felt it necessary; it’s an admitted fact!

Killing one man in Dallas, even if he is the president, is less drastic than what we know the Joint Chiefs and the CIA did and were willing to do.

You guys are all over the map.

Do you have a JFK conspiracy org chart scrawled on your living room wall in crayon?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You guys are all over the map.

Do you have a JFK conspiracy org chart scrawled on your living room wall in crayon?

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I don't think I'm all over the map; the Joint Chiefs, through a very small faction of the CIA, hired a hitman to kill one man because they believed that it was in the national security interests of the USA. This was a less complicated operation than the other operations that the CIA carried out in multiple foreign countries during the Cold War. In fact, the Joint Chiefs in the early 60s were willing to consider killing far more than one American citizen, if necessary, to defeat the communist threat as they perceived it.

I would like to hear your take, and that of anyone else, on Operation Northwoods and the related plans of the Joint Chiefs and the CIA that I referenced in my previous post.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

Operation Northwoods has to be mentioned in any discussion of the JFK assassination. There are a number of places to read it, including the National Archives, but here’s a link to site where you can view each of the 15 pages separately and clearly:

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/operation_northwoods.php

Wikipedia has a summary; here’s some of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Although it was never executed, it remains a fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were willing use the CIA to kill 10s, perhaps 100s, of innocent people, including American citizens, to start a war with Cuba over false pretenses. That should scare the hell out of everyone.

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That is not my understanding of the operation. There were no casualties expected. Not what I heard in the past. Even the wiki entry seems revised.

Do you know, was there new evidence since 1997, or is someone mixing the documents op? I haven't gone over the supplied link yet, but I will when I have time.

My understanding is the operation was proposed by one general, and instantly dismissed by Kennedy when proposed, and that he was dealt with in some administrative manner too.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

I would like to hear your take, and that of anyone else, on Operation Northwoods and the related plans of the Joint Chiefs and the CIA that I referenced in my previous post.

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Purhaps an Operation Northwood, or better yet, Operation Mongoose thread would be good?

I have this take. It is the job of the president's top generals to bring him ideas. Even for contigencies that hopefully never need to be executed. However, when the plans are a direct thread to the citizens to be protected, they are flat out wrong.

P.S.

I supported directly the JCS for six years.

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Although it was never executed, it remains a fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were willing use the CIA to kill 10s, perhaps 100s, of innocent people, including American citizens, to start a war with Cuba over false pretenses. That should scare the hell out of everyone.

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Anyone worth his legal salt knows that it doesn't matter if a conspiracy is executed. The conspiracy itself is the crime.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

I don't think I'm all over the map; the Joint Chiefs, through a very small faction of the CIA, hired a hitman to kill one man because they believed that it was in the national security interests of the USA. This was a less complicated operation than the other operations that the CIA carried out in multiple foreign countries during the Cold War. In fact, the Joint Chiefs in the early 60s were willing to consider killing far more than one American citizen, if necessary, to defeat the communist threat as they perceived it.

I would like to hear your take, and that of anyone else, on Operation Northwoods and the related plans of the Joint Chiefs and the CIA that I referenced in my previous post.

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Your take is that the JCS assassinated JFK so they could invade countries that they ended up not invading.

Is that it?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Your take is that the JCS assassinated JFK so they could invade countries that they ended up not invading.

Is that it?

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Each of these theories has it's weaknesses for instance, the CIA, ....hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... so the agency that was too weak to execute a successful invasion of Cuba took down a sitting U.S. President and nobody who actually participated in the plot has ever talked, plus, the CIA is 'patriot city', they bleed Red, White and Blue and none have ever talked about how the plot to overthrow the country was planned and executed......hmmmmmmmmmmmm..........the Mafia, I mean, they hated Kennedy, especially Robert..........but how could the Mafia plan such a sophisticated operation, I mean, If we are too believe the conspiracy theorists then everything from the missing SS agent that was supposed to be riding with Kennedy on the back of the limo, to the shoddy prep done for his security, including the open windows, to the placement of the 'magic bullet' on Kennedy's bed as he was being wheeled in for an autopsy, the whipping down of the limo ruining forensic evidence, to evidence that the front wound in Kennedy's neck was really a trac done at Parkland to help Kennedy breath and the back wound that the 'magic bullet' caused actually did not penetrate kennedy's back....that Connelly was still holding onto his hat when he was supposedly shot in the arm by the magic bullet...that Kennedy appears to be holding onto his neck and likely already shot before he cleared the trees for a clear Oswald shot....that there could have been 4,5,6,6+ shots actually fired ...that Kennedy's body actually flew in the cockpit of Airforce 2 (LBJ's plane) and had already been autopsied, brain fragments removed and staples holding the head together...that all the Mafioso's and no fewer than 3 future sitting President had visited Dallas within days of Kennedy's visit, or, in the case of Ford and Bush41, were an active part of the conspiracy....



....could the Mafia pull all that plus more off? Could the CIA, weakened by agency deficits and rebuked by Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs incident have pulled this off? The Masons? The Secret Service? The anti-Castro crowd? Space Aliens?....


....this is where we have to not be so care free about generalizing.....Why does it have to be the CIA, why did it have to be the Mafia? Why did it have to be the JCS?...Why couldn't it have been just a few really rich guys with a lot of power and reach?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Your take is that the JCS assassinated JFK so they could invade countries that they ended up not invading.

Is that it?

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I was talking about Vietnam, not Cuba. I brought up Northwoods to point out some plans that the JCS and the CIA had for dealing with Cuba shortly before JFK was killed to show that they were certainly capable of killing the president over the possibility of a JFK led American withdrawal from Vietnam during his 2nd term if they felt that it was absolutely necessary, and if they were certain enough that he intended to do that.

Given what was said about the importance of stopping the spread of communism in Asia in the early 60s, and that JFK didn’t want to get into a war in Vietnam (unlike LBJ), then either the JCS/CIA carried out an Operation Northwoods type of attack on one person, or they just got really lucky that Oswald decided to kill the man who was going to stand in the way of their plans for the next 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

My understanding is the operation was proposed by one general, and instantly dismissed by Kennedy when proposed, and that he was dealt with in some administrative manner too.

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It was the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Lyman Lemnizter was the Chairman at the time, and JFK removed him from that position a few months later and he became the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. And yes, the wiki page is much longer than the last time I saw it about a year ago.

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There were no casualties expected. Not what I heard in the past.

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Almost all of the plans involved no casualties. But not all of them:

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Originally Posted by pages 11-12

Commence large scale United States military operations.
3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:
a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.
b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

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Originally Posted by page 13

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

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Nothing fake about that sentence, obviously, since it would be impossible to fake the deaths of a plane full of American college students. It wouldn't take the public long to ask why nobody can seem to find any of the dead students' families.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

I was talking about Vietnam, not Cuba. I brought up Northwoods to point out some plans that the JCS and the CIA had for dealing with Cuba shortly before JFK was killed to show that they were certainly capable of killing the president over the possibility of a JFK led American withdrawal from Vietnam during his 2nd term if they felt that it was absolutely necessary, and if they were certain enough that he intended to do that.

Given what was said about the importance of stopping the spread of communism in Asia in the early 60s, and that JFK didn’t want to get into a war in Vietnam (unlike LBJ), then either the JCS/CIA carried out an Operation Northwoods type of attack on one person, or they just got really lucky that Oswald decided to kill the man who was going to stand in the way of their plans for the next 5 years.

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I've heard this before, and I don't believe it happened that way. I do believe Oswald was the sole man involve.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

It was the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Lyman Lemnizter was the Chairman at the time, and JFK removed him from that position a few months later and he became the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. And yes, the wiki page is much longer than the last time I saw it about a year ago.

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Fine, I did some research, but I didn't do a real complete job at the time. I don't even think I used Wiki the few years ago I researched it. The material I remember only named a general, who’s name I didn't remember either.

I know better than to use wiki as a sole source. Someone else made an accusation in essence that I trust wiki. That person is a fool. I respect you too much to say that to you, but I will if you wish to make that same accusation about me as well. Many pages have disclaimers of sorts, but can be wrong even without them. I’ve pointed that out in a thread here before along with pointing out something wrong on a wiki page too.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

Almost all of the plans involved no casualties. But not all of them:

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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

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Nothing fake about that sentence, obviously, since it would be impossible to fake the deaths of a plane full of American college students. It wouldn't take the public long to ask why nobody can seem to find any of the dead students' families.

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Problem is, you didn't read it carefully. No deaths were planned. The civilians would be transferred to a duplicate, the original wired as a drone, and destroyed.

At the time, it would be easy to have fake passengers. The plane would sink without any easy means of recovery. Alias names.

Again, read the next part carefully:

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a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

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Please Brad, your better than most the others here. Don't buy into the hatred and propaganda.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

At the time, it would be easy to have fake passengers. The plane would sink without any easy means of recovery. Alias names.

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I considered all of that, but I don't think that part of the plan applied to the college students. Again, there is zero chance of that working because fake college students don't have real families to be interviewed by the media. The lie would be quickly exposed. Well, I take that back. I guess you could enroll a bunch of young CIA agents in a school using fake names then have them all get on the plane, and then disappear for awhile. I'll grant you this, but damn, this people are shady.

But there's still the part of the plan that talks about terror attacks in Washington and Miami, and the part about sinking a boatload of Cubans ("real or simulated"). The JCS considered killing innocent people in a false flag terror attack shortly before JFK was killed; that can't be disputed, and that was really my entire point.

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Don't buy into the hatred and propaganda.

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I don't know what you mean. I'm particularly confused by the hatred part.

And I certainly don't just trust wiki; a page is only as good as its references. But when a page references the very document that the page is about, and you can just click on a link and read it, then I just read the document.

JFK had an unprecedented change of heart towards the soviets and was more than willing to begin serious peace talks with nikita....i dont know or care about who the human being was that put the bullet into his head but its obvious fat cat businessmen of the M/I Complex had him killed.

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Originally Posted by BradLohaus

The lie would be quickly exposed.

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No it wouldn't. Not in 60's era media. Do you remember the 60's?

More forensic analysis points toward lone gunman from 6th floor of book depository.

Discovery Channel's "Inside the Target Car"

The grassy knoll shot would not only have given JFK wounds that were different than those observed at autopsy, it would've killed the first lady.


Sorry tin-foil hat wearers.

:lmao

Modern forensic testing shows that there was only one shooter, just like the Warren Commission.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Modern forensic testing shows that there was only one shooter, just like the Warren Commission.

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Two words - Clear Channel

What about Clear Channel?

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...if the conspiracies are true, these guys just assassinated a Prez., but they can't fake an autopsy report? .....the Discovery Channel crap had so many holes but they tried to treat that shit as marginally scientific....read up a little....

These new clear-channel like "documentaries" from Discovery have buried virtually all the witnesses and now try to prove the faked evidence held by the government is valid. A doctor standing a couple of feet away from JFK's head says the back of JFK's head had a massive wound, that's good enough for me, but when you have sixteen hospital personnel saying the autopsy photos do not match the wounds they saw in Dallas, that is overwhelming.

Trying to recreate the splatter seen in the faked Zapruder film, trying to recreate wounds in the faked autopsy photos and X-rays....... Guys like Gary Mack will do anything to keep the public from figuring out what now is a pretty transparent lie....

Mack once wrote:

"As for Oswald knowing Ruby, there is NO credible evidence whatsoever they were acquainted."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...66a462eacea353

Witnesses answer the question as to whether or not Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald knew each other:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcVM_UbBIyI

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Two words - Clear Channel

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LOL... When will you ever stop your uninformed punditry?

Clear channel is for profit. Not political bias. They have mostly conservative radio because that's the biggest demand.

They are the ones that own KPOJ, a liberal station that plays Air America in my area. From wiki:

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The station is noteworthy because it was the first Air America affiliate to be owned by Clear Channel Communications. Its schedule, which also features non-Air America syndicated host Ed Schultz, has served as a template for progressive talk stations nationwide. KPOJ was the first station to call its format "Progressive Talk", a tag that is often used.

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If I'm reading that right, Clear Channel dubbed the turn "Progressive Talk!"

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Trying to recreate the splatter seen in the faked Zapruder film

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:lmao


Yeah, Abraham Zapruder did that video on his 1963 Macintosh. :lmao


You know why tin-foil hat wearers like Nbadan and Galileo believe in moonbat conspiracy theories?


They just can't fathom that a loser like Oswald could, by himself, take down the most powerful man in the free world. They can't fathom that 19 terrorists could board planes with box cutters and guide planes into 3 buildings. They probably don't believe that 10 armed "militants" just terrorized a city of more than 13 million people for 3 days.

What does Clear Channel have to do with the Discovery Channel again?

There is an eyewitness who saw the shooters behind the picket fence. He is a deaf-mute man, and brother of a policeman, who got to the overpass 45 minutes before the shootings. Since he is deaf-mute, he is very observent, and not distracted by sounds.

This witness alone would acquit Oswald. People are convicted or acquitted all the time in court based on one good eyewitness.