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hate to say i told you so
me, too! I rally behind him for that extra minutes thinking he could upgrade his stat. so far, it's been a disappointing Barry play for me. He shld be MORe agressive. I noticed he has reduced numbers of attemps lately:cry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Well at least he's good at PS2 and cracking the occasional locker room joke, so I hear. He's also quotable. Hey, he's got value!
I still have faith in him.. He'll pull through, mark my words.
Barry is not playing well to be sure but I don't buy the fact that it's all on him. As I said in the other Barry thread, I think some of the blame has to go on Pop's somewhat inflexible "system" and his ability to integrate new players into it.
There's just a lot of mounting evidence lately. Barry, Hedo, Daniels, Ward. How many guys need to fail in his system yet thrive in others before we at least question the system and the integration process?
Some just chalk it up to the pressure of being on a championship team but I think that's too broad a stroke to account for a full 9% drop in fg% in Barry's case for example. Guys just don't fall off a cliff like that without a better reason.
Barry's defense is never going to be stellar but the guy can play. Pop just needs to find out how to use him. And that doesn't just mean play him 37 minutes and hope he'll breakout.
Run a couple of plays for the guy. Jesus the guy shot 50% last year. 50%. Only a handful of guards have ever done that in their careers and he's done it twice. He should be deadly on a screen-and-shoot with the midrange J a la Ray Allen but how come I never see that run for him? Why is he pigeonholed into becoming a stand-and-shoot 3pt guy in Pop's system like Steve Smith? He's better than that.
AHF has a point. I have seen him become tentative because of Pop's wrath to play D and it's definitely affecting his game. D is not his strong point and never will be. Pop knew this when he signed him so he should try and play more to his strengths instead of trying to whip him into becoming someone he's not.
Again, Barry should be mentally tougher to withstand Pop's tirades and offer Pop solutions to use his skills more wisely so blame does lie with him. However, I believe blame also resides with Pop and the rigidity of the "system".
Several observations. Preface...I have been a Barry defender all year. 1. He has a real reluctance to shoot the ball. 7 shots in 37 minutes for a "shooter" won't get it. He is also reluctant to turn his game loose because when he does that, you often get the errant/hot dog play that drives Pop crazy and lands him on the bench. 2. He isn't the type of player who can create his own shot, so unless their are set plays for him, he is left with standing behind the line and waiting, or baskets in transition...which happens infrequently. 3. Because he is not noted as a great defender he absolutely never gets the benefit on any calls, so any marginal improvment in that area is negated.
Bottom line: On this team, so far, his game is completely contrary to Spurs basketball. He has done a poor job of entering the system and the Spurs have done an equally poor job of making any attempt to adapt what they do to play to his strengths. While I too still hold out hope, I am beginning to think that he will not be of much help come playoff time. For this, I believe there is shared responsibility on the player and the coaching staff. A damn shame.
You highlight all the points I've been trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigVee
Totally agree.
You don't need plays run for you in order to hit open shots.
Seriously.
I agree with timvp and completely disagree with TwoHandJam. Simply put, to be a champion, you have to be a champion. Players who's nuts shrivel under pressure are better suited playing for the Hawks or Warriors or other NBA dogshit franchises. This is the big league, it's Barry's first step into bigtime and 98% of the time, he looks like the new kid on the first day of school.
Antonio Daniels was another, Hedo Torkoglu the same. It's different playing for the fucking Orlando Magic and playing for a bonafide contender night in, night out. Some guys relish it (see Manu Ginobili) and some guys count down the minutes and look for somewhere to hide. Don't give me the 'blame Pop' shit for chrissakes that's the most infantile, cop-out answer in the book. Pop is the best coach in the world at any level but unlike most coaches, his demands for excellence are off the charts- either you sink or swim and somebody better throw this bitch a lifejacket because he wants no part of what it takes to be a champion.
You don't change a Championship system to accomodate a non-Championship player. Perhaps Barry will improve next season after having a year to discover how Spurs Basketball is played. Otherwise, he'll probably need to be traded for someone who is a better fit.
I knew 2hand and Aggie couldn't blame barry.
That wouldn't fit Aggie's I Hate POp agenda, nor his Barry is god agenda.
How many more games does Barry have to absolutely suck ass in, before its realized, hes HITA2.
Yea, I think the pressure is getting to him. Coming to a winning team with high expectations to be our missing piece which is a clutch shooter down the stretch. There's no doubt that he's not thinking about his shots too much. I just hoping that the switch will turn on before the playoffs.
This is the the most thorough and intelligent piece written in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoHandJam
2nd most intelligent and thorough writing...Kudos to both of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigVee
THJ what you say may be true, but there was also a glaring omission: Barry's previous postseason performances. Those weren't under Pop's system.
Factor that in, and you have to entertain the notion the guy just can't handle pressure.
adapt what???
what is there to fucking adapt?
give him MORE open shots?!?!?!??!!??!
I love this, the Spurs at times are a fast breaking team, and other times they give open shots to there perimiter players.
WTF are the Spurs supposed to change for Brent Barry.
LOL, you people act like this guy is a superstar.
Theres a reason he plays like this.
Look at his time with the Heat a few years ago in the playoffs, look at how he did in Chicago as "The man" and look how he did in Seattle vs the Spurs in the playoffs.
Plain and simple, the Spurs brought in a shorter Hedo TUrkgolu.
Spurs shouldve brought back Stephen Jackson TIMVP is right.
I will keep the faith. This guy knows how to play the game, he just seems to be slumping this year.
Give me a break...Barry Bonds endured the wrath of Post Season watchers for years... He kills it against the Angels, no one has ever said a word about it again. Don't factor stuff that happened 5 years ago...One good post season and it won't be mentioned again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
huh.Quote:
He kills it against the Angels
were talkin basketball here skippy.
Hes had more than 1 post season, and his latest was in 02 against the Spurs, where he totally dissapeared in 5 games.
Are you kidding me right now? The guy was to go into Chicago after the Jordan era and be "The man?" This could be the STUPIDEST thing written on this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Really genius? I wasn't aware, I must be thinking this is the Giantstalk.comQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
The fact of the matter is, one post season of good play IN ANY SPORT and the next thing you know, nobody says a thing.
Thats correct.
He was the go to guy on that team htat year, and couldn't do shit.
Pressure. He cant fuckin handle it.
But, you seem to have a handle on his dick, so keep strokin.
boy you are pretty dumb then aren't ya.Quote:
Really genius? I wasn't aware, I must be thinking this is the Giantstalk.com
Give me a breakTpark...If you can't connect the dots from what I was saying as a "comparison" then only other person dumber than me is you.
Give me a fuckin break...He had GREAT team that year, let me tell you. He should have been averaging 30 a game. Hey I'm not hear to say he's been playing great or defend him...I'm just as bummed with his performance as the next guy. I just think people irrational blasts of random pop offs are humorous. A couple people in this thread took the time to write some intelligent offerings...And talk about strokin Dick? Your screen name is TPark? Who's strokin who here super fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park