Barry is worthless

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Plain and simple, the Spurs brought in a shorter Hedo TUrkgolu.

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Hedo could play D. But on offense your point is taken.

I agree with everything THJ has said.

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Originally Posted by smeagol

I agree with everything THJ has said.

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by Walton Buys Off Me

I agree with timvp and completely disagree with TwoHandJam. Simply put, to be a champion, you have to be a champion. Players who's nuts shrivel under pressure are better suited playing for the Hawks or Warriors or other NBA dogshit franchises. This is the big league, it's Barry's first step into bigtime and 98% of the time, he looks like the new kid on the first day of school.

Antonio Daniels was another, Hedo Torkoglu the same. It's different playing for the fucking Orlando Magic and playing for a bonafide contender night in, night out. Some guys relish it (see Manu Ginobili) and some guys count down the minutes and look for somewhere to hide. Don't give me the 'blame Pop' shit for chrissakes that's the most infantile, cop-out answer in the book. Pop is the best coach in the world at any level but unlike most coaches, his demands for excellence are off the charts- either you sink or swim and somebody better throw this bitch a lifejacket because he wants no part of what it takes to be a champion.

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Amen.

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I'm sorry, was there some kind of forced draft that I missed that put Barry on this team over the screaming protests of Pop? He wanted this guy badly. Barry is a proven NBA player Pop shares SOME of the responsibility for making him an asset to this team. Amen.

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Originally Posted by BigVee

I'm sorry, was there some kind of forced draft that I missed that put Barry on this team over the screaming protests of Pop? He wanted this guy badly. Barry is a proven NBA player Pop shares SOME of the responsibility for making him an asset to this team. Amen.

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Exactly.

I don't know if others don't see what I see but Barry just doesn't work as another plug-in guard in the Spurs system who is supposed to either spot up for 3, drive to the basket or drive and kick. That's just not his game.

Yes, Barry can hit the 3 but he seems to hit it much better in transition or on the move after shaking a defender, not just spotting up. He's a shooter but he has his nuances. He should be deadly with a midrange J but we never use it. Let's face it, Barry can no longer reliably create his own shot so why do we hang him out to dry in our offense so much? How many times did he try and shake a defender last night to no avail and end up forcing a shot or passing the ball up? He could be our poor man's Ray Allen but we don't use him that way.

Barry seems tailor made for the pick-and-pop, pick-and-roll or any kind of 2 man game with a big man where he could shake free but Pop doesn't run these kinds of plays for him. Remember how smooth he looked running a pick and roll with Tim early in the season? Where has that gone? Hell, even Bowen gets screens now and hits the midrange J, why not Barry?

Yes, some of the blame has to fall on Barry but Pop should also realize he's not just another cog in the guard rotation like Bowen or Brown that fit well in Pop's system with little retooling. His strengths need to be identified and maximized. He doesn't have the talent or the moxy to stand up to Pop and demand his game be set free like Manu. He came here to be a role player, not to be thrown to the wolves in an unbending system that doesn't even try to cater to his strengths.

I'm fine with blaming Pop for bringing him in thinking he could just be plugged in as a spot shooter, but I don't think we should change our offensive scheme to accomodate him just because he doesn't fit the role we were hoping for him...

Pop deserves blame for not figuring out that Barry wasn't going to work out before we could have traded him. But the bulk of the blame has to lie with Barry. He just hasn't performed.

P.S. - When did TPark become such a miserable bastard?

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Originally Posted by timvp

I'm willing to trade him for either Jon, Scooter or Drew Barry. Or even Drew Barrymore.

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:rollin

Just read this one.

Well, there's not much defense for the fact that Brent's only 50 percentage points below his average for FG% and 3-Pt. FG%. :( :depressed

What is it with all this, "can't handle pressure" thing about Barry. Look, the guy isn't performing, now if you think after 10 years the guy just sucks because he is on a "championship contender" and he "can't handle the pressure of it" your fucking ridiculous. The game is still the same. The baskets are still the same. But you konw whats NOT!!! The system! He's not fitting into the system, or hasn't adjusted or Pop and him haven't adjusted together. But your guys heads are way to big regarding the Spurs. Its not like he's playing with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and he is supposed to be the Jerry West that puts them into the realm of the NBA's greatest team ever. The guy is just not playing well and stop it at that...damn!

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P.S. - When did TPark become such a miserable bastard?

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When people started blaming Rasho and Pop for every fuckin thing.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

I'm fine with blaming Pop for bringing him in thinking he could just be plugged in as a spot shooter, but I don't think we should change our offensive scheme to accomodate him just because he doesn't fit the role we were hoping for him...

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I don't agree with that. If Pop would have done that with Manu, we would be still playing 4 fucking down every freaking possesion. You have to make the system work for your players, not the other way round. If the Suns played Pop's ball they would be fighting with the Bobcats for the worst NBA record, but their system has adjusted to their players style and it obviously works.

I say draw some plays for Barry, make him feel useful and comfortable and he will start knocking down those 3's.

Considering the difference in minutes played, there's not a whole lot of difference in percentages for fg, 3pt and ft between Barry and SJax--less than one percentage point I think.

I don't know about others, but it's not Brent Barry's OVERALL percentages that I'm complaining about. He had a stellar January (ala Hedo) shooting above 50% on 3's which is bringing up his overall percentages. So please stop comparing his percentages to SJax and saying "see, he isn't shooting poorly."

What I don't like is:

1. His hesitancy to shoot.
2. Over the past few weeks Pop has played him in longer stretches to get him in the rhythm, and he has responded by shooting sub-30% from 3.
3. His highly-touted "high basketball IQ" and "intangibles" have diminished.
4. He goes through long stretches where he gives up defensively.

All observed and true, Kori.

I'm also concerned that Barry has never really shot as well the Clippers, Heat, Bulls or Spurs as he has with the Sonics. What were the Sonics doing in their systems that maximized Brent's shooting form?

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What were the Sonics doing in their systems that maximized Brent's shooting form?

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Never giving the ball to a big man. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I don't know about others, but it's not Brent Barry's OVERALL percentages that I'm complaining about. He had a stellar January (ala Hedo) shooting above 50% on 3's which is bringing up his overall percentages. So please stop comparing his percentages to SJax and saying "see, he isn't shooting poorly.

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Stephen Jackson by month:
November - 393%
December - 333%
January - 245%%
Febuary - 259%
March - 311%
April - 250%

Brent Barry by month:
November - 338%
December - 211%
January - 509%
Febuary - 370%

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1. What I don't like is:
His hesitancy to shoot.

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He's shooting more threes per game than Stephen Jackson did that season. Stephen Jackson was also getting other easy shots in games. Over half of Barry's shots are 3 point attempts. His percentages are much more impressive than Stephen Jackson.

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2. Over the past few weeks Pop has played him in longer stretches to get him in the rhythm, and he has responded by shooting sub-30% from 3.

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He hasn't shot under 30% from 3 as many times as Stephen Jackson did.

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3. His highly-touted "high basketball IQ" and "intangibles" have diminished.

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You didn't notice all the easy baskets he got Devin Brown in the New Jersey game that got Devin Brown off to a hot start?

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4. He goes through long stretches where he gives up defensively.

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If you want a defender instead of a shooter as your shooter just be prepared for ugly things to happen in the playoffs.

^ whottt, is that you?

Good call, smeagol. Perhaps it is.

This thread is a joke. Barry puts up some crappy numbers and gets ripped. Rose puts up some crappy numbers and it's not his fault. And everyone is going to say that it is because Rose is a team player. Barry turned down a crapload of money to come play here. Do you think he is proud that he is shooting horribly? Do you think he plans on just riding the coat tales to a championship? No way. Has anyone heard him complaining about PT? He knows his role(by the way, his role is not a defender!), he knows what he needs to do. He will get it done. How many people called for Horry's head. Now he brings energy and a decent game. Stop the bitchin and let him play. All that said, I too am a little disappointed with his play, but still think it is great for him to be here.

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Originally Posted by benjirh

Do you think he is proud that he is shooting horribly? Do you think he plans on just riding the coat tales to a championship? No way. Has anyone heard him complaining about PT? He knows his role(by the way, his role is not a defender!), he knows what he needs to do. He will get it done.

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True. I guess it's sort of like how many times does your kid drop the eggs in the HEB parking lot before you decide to let someone else carry the eggs. :hat

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Originally Posted by smeagol

^ whottt, is that you?

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I'm not whottt, I don't even know who that is. I've been a member of Spurs Report and just found out about this website.

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If you want a defender instead of a shooter as your shooter just be prepared for ugly things to happen in the playoffs.

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You want a shooter who can play in the Spurs' team D. Jack did. Kerr did. Manu, Bruce and Devin can, and they are currently shooting better from the arc. Don't tell me it's not possible.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You want a shooter who can play in the Spurs' team D. Jack did. Kerr did. Manu, Bruce and Devin can, and they are currently shooting better from the arc. Don't tell me it's not possible.

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Stephen Jackson used to get in trouble for defensive lapses and sloppy play. What kept Stephen Jackson on on the court was that the Spurs only had Steve Smith behind him and Manu was a rookie battling injuries and having to adjust his style of play. Stephen Jackson also had the worst two years of his career from 3 the two years he played with the Spurs.

Steve Kerr barely played here until his final season with the Spurs. He shot 39% from the field and 31% from 3 his first season with the Spurs.

It might be possible to play D and shoot, but there is plenty of history to show that some shooters have struggled in their first years with the Spurs. Steve Kerr being the most notable example. As a shooter Barry isn't shooting as badly as Steve Kerr or Stephen Jackson when they first joined the team.

Yep, I'll agree this year we have choices.

Currently better ones than Barry.

You didn't dispute that these guys could play Spurs' D. Why can't Barry?