Barry is worthless

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You might want to check yourself on that.lol,

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Jackson might not have made the playoff roster once. If Kerr was on IR it was due to injury and Brown never got IR'ed last season.

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nice twist to the definition of "entire season."

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You are ignoring Barry's entire career shooting percentage, I am ignoring one month. I don't think I am the one basing my opinion on a fluke.

Barry has shot better every month but 1, so how am I twisting anything?

You will never convince me that Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this point. I don't think many people outside of this forum will agree with you.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Well, there's going to be a rotation, that's just the way it goes. I don't know if the legs argument carries much weight -- he's only playing about 20mpg. I would have an extra complaint about his conditioning if that was the case.

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So what do you think is causing it then?

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Brown never got IR'ed last season.

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I didn't realize last season was his first.

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You are ignoring Barry's entire career shooting percentage

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That wasn't the question, was it?

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You will never convince me that Devin Brown is a better 3 point shooter than Brent Barry so I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this point.

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Over their respective careers, Barry is a better shooter. Now, we're dealing with this season, and shooting percentages will not be the sole determinant of who comes of the bench first. You've already conceded that Devin is playing better now, so we don't even have to argue about that.

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So what do you think is causing it then?

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Ever hear of a slump? Ever hear of not playing as well as you are actually able? Every Spur outside of the big three can be accused of inconsistency. To single out only one or try to deny it for one is eqully faulty.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I didn't realize last season was his first.

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They didn't IR him the previous year either. They cut him.

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Now, we're dealing with this season, and shooting percentages will not be the sole determinant of who comes of the bench first.

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I didn't realize we were arguing about who comes off the bench first.

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You've already conceded that Devin is playing better now, so we don't even have to argue about that.

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Conceded that Devin is playing better right now? There was nothing to concede. I never tried to say he wasn't. Shooting better? He isn't shooting better right now.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Ever hear of a slump? Ever hear of not playing as well as you are actually able? Every Spur outside of the big three can be accused of inconsistency. To single out only one or try to deny it for one is eqully faulty.

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I don't think anyone is denying Barry is in a slump. What's causing it? If it's not being asked to expend extra energy playing defense then what is it?

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They didn't IR him

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SPURS: Guard Devin Brown was placed on the injured list and guard Matt Carroll was activated.

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http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/12/Sp...in_as_Si.shtml Apologize.

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They cut him.

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So we should cut Barry? What's your point? My point is these guys weren't playing when they didn't shoot well or play Spurs D, and few expected them to play 20mpg like Barry.

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I didn't realize we were arguing about who comes off the bench first.

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We're certainly not arguing about who has the better 3pt% for the season, that isn't in question.

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Shooting better? He isn't shooting better right now.

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You're absolutely right. For the last 5 games Barry is .167 from the arc and Devin is .154 -- you couldn't be any more right about that. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by American Grace

I don't think anyone is denying Barry is in a slump. What's causing it? If it's not being asked to expend extra energy playing defense then what is it?

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Was he not asked to play D in January?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/12/Sp...in_as_Si.shtml Apologize.

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You first. You didn't remember he was on IR last year either.

He was legitimately iinjured by Willis, he wasn't put on the IR for poor play. Since Barry isn't injured I can only assume that when you suggested we IR him earlier you were suggesting it for poor play rather than injury.

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So we should cut Barry? What's your point?

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So much for your point about Devin catching on to the D immediately. That's my point.

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My point is these guys weren't playing when they didn't shoot well or play Spurs D, and few expected them to play 20mpg like Barry.

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It's affected every "shooter" brought in except Bowen and Mario Elie.

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We're certainly not arguing about who has the better 3pt% for the season, that isn't in question.

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It isn't? Next time Devin takes an 0-3 he'll be shooting at a worse percentage than Barry. There is less than 100th of a percentage point separating them right now, and Barry has taken nearly twice as many threes.

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You're absolutely right. For the last 5 games Barry is .167 from the arc and Devin is .154 -- you couldn't be any more right about that. Congratulations.

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I don't consider being able to look up game logs on ESPN a great accomplishment or anything, but thank you.

American Grace you're wasting your time. Once Chump gets into a hair-splitting contest there's really no point in continuing. You've brought a solid take and just leave it at that.

Welcome to the forum btw.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

All observed and true, Kori.

I'm also concerned that Barry has never really shot as well the Clippers, Heat, Bulls or Spurs as he has with the Sonics. What were the Sonics doing in their systems that maximized Brent's shooting form?

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Uh, not sure what stats your looking at but lets look at this with a little more reality...

For one, he shot 44% from the field and 38% from 3pt line for the Clips. Thats not bad at all. Is it all star material? No, but definitely better than average for a perimeter player...And lets also remember, this was the Clippers!
Second, he played 17 games for the Heat. 17 games...nuff said.
3rd...He played 30 games for the Bulls. 30. Nuff said. (lockout shortened season?)

Am I the only one that sees the common thread between Kerr, Hedo, SJ, Steve Smith, Barrys...intial induction into the Spurs system?

You know, the one thing people don't take into consideration when talking about Barry being brought in over the summer was that at the time we needed someone who could not only hit a 3, but run the point when Parker went to the bench.

Beno has performed better than any of us expected by leaps and bounds, and that right there changed the role that Brent Barry had before the regular seasons even started.

The fact remains, that he's a defensive liablity while he's out there, and for whatever reason you want to come up with, he can't hit a shot to save his life at this time. I don't know if you continue to give him time over Brown at this point. I've been very unhappy with Devin's shooting as of late just as much as I have been with Barry, but Devin has the ability to take someone off of the dribble, rebound, and defend. As long as he's out there with another point guard, his ball handling isn't a big issue.

At this point of the season, both Beno and Brown have beat out Barry for minutes. Whether you choose to give Barry the benefit of the doubt for a longer time is debateable. But if he doesn't catch fire soon, or at the very least hit a respectable percentage of his shots and play better defense, he's going to have to ride the pine. Regardless of the reasons, you play whoever is playing better, and that very well may not be Brent Barry.

I just hope if that's the case, he maintains his readiness. God knows he may have to fill a Kerresque moment in the playoffs.

The subject is whether Barry is WORTHLESS. Not whether someone else is playing better right now or for the season or whether he should be getting fewer minutes (19 mpg avg.)

Worthless would put him into the category of Sean Marks, Sato, etc. as someone who can't contribute anything to the makeup of the team and should be on IR. I don't think he's in that category.

By the way, his season averages, adjusted for minutes played, are within one percentage point of SJAX in Indiana this year. But I think if Barry was playing more minutes it would help his game, both from a psychological and a physical reflex standpoint. This doesn't mean I think he should GET more minutes right now with the way he's playing.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Go figure. I always thought we completely misused Smitty. And concur completely on both accounts with you.

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Sorry, I thought you were part of the HITA crowd.

Barry is worthless. How many times in the Suns games were the Spurs abo0ut to get over the hump, take a lead, and Barry clanged a three deflating instead of inflating the team? And this is a reccurrent pattern in tight games. I dread to see what happens in a tight playoff sereies.

It's cool 'Sug.

Smitty was really good at posting up other guards, and we never used him in that role.

Three years later Charlotte of all teams uses him better than we did.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Barry turned down $2M more over the life of the contract from Golden State and Portland. He'll probably make that up in the savings of state income tax.

Hardly a "crapload".

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More money then you'll ever make.

Chump Dumper...Your getting your assed handed to you in this thread by Grace...Stop posting one liners like your smart...and write something legitimate...You add nothing in any sort of thoughtful submission to this issue except trying to ride the coat tales of some good research and comparison, and flipping it around...

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Tpark, quit being such a dork on this thread.


Fuck, we run screens to get Bowen of all people jumpers, but somehow Barry is the plague because the only thing we ever ask him to do is something that he hasn't done in his entire NBA career.


Barry is not a spot up shooter, never has been. It's always been transition basketball and a motion/screen and roll type offense he has excelled in.

If Pop only planned on using this guy to spot up, then you need to admit he fucked up in even bringing Brent to SA.

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Nice. And for all you Devin lovers...And I agree he's played well lately. He's played well because he got someone in there like Barry that throws the ball UP THE COURT!!! Its called Transition! Not, lets watch Manu and Tony dribble the length of the court and go to the rack. I'm not knocking them for doing that, but Barry's game is transition. He thrives on guys like Devin running the floor. Why the hell was he so good in Seattle? Because he had Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, and Radmonovich, running full speed ahead of him because they KNEW he would throw the ball to them. The way it is now, Barry is running the floor and NEVER gets the ball in transition. When was the last time you saw him get a lay up on transition? But, I can tell you right now, you saw him GIVE Devin Brown at least 3 layups and a nice Dunk...

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Barry is worthless. How many times in the Suns games were the Spurs abo0ut to get over the hump, take a lead, and Barry clanged a three deflating instead of inflating the team? And this is a reccurrent pattern in tight games. I dread to see what happens in a tight playoff sereies.

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Whatever...How many times in the first Suns game were the Spurs about to lose, and hit clutch threes.

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Originally Posted by Que Gee

Whatever...How many times in the first Suns game were the Spurs about to lose, and hit clutch threes.

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You can count the games Barry's made a significant differece on a hand full of amputated fingers. Brown has impacted far more games than Barry. Horry impacted far more games than Barry. Malik impacted more games than Barry. Hell Beno has impacted far more games than Barry. There was much talk by pundits and many here, myself included, about Barry being a sixth man candidate. Face it Barry has been a MAJOR disappointment. Jackson >>> Hedo >>> Smith >>> Barry.

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How many times in the first Suns game

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maybe the second game, not the first.


Biut KG, I wouldn't smart off too much to TIMVP.

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Originally Posted by T Park

maybe the second game, not the first.


Biut KG, I wouldn't smart off too much to TIMVP.

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I ain't afraid...believe me.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

You can count the games Barry's made a significant differece on a hand full of amputated fingers. Brown has impacted far more games than Barry. Horry impacted far more games than Barry. Malik impacted more games than Barry. Hell Beno has impacted far more games than Barry. There was much talk by pundits and many here, myself included, about Barry being a sixth man candidate. Face it Barry has been a MAJOR disappointment. Jackson >>> Hedo >>> Smith >>> Barry.

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I'm not disagreeing that he's been a disappointment. But your 4 names that you have rattled off, Jackson, Hedo, Smith, Barry, And you should add Steve Kerr to this list were all major 1st year disappointments. (I give Kerr props for post season heroics) proves exactly what a lot of people have been trying to say...is it the player or the system? Or getting the RIGHT player for the system. Hell if Barry goes off in the playoffs, he'll be the next Steve Kerr. Never to be remembered as a first year dissappointment.

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I ain't afraid...believe me.

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Uh, seeing as he owns the sight, I would stay in line numbnuts.