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Brent's salary ain't exactly breaking the bank. If you recall, one of the reasons they picked him up was b/c he costs about 24 million over three years. Unlike Hedon't and SJax, who cost upwards of 50 million apiece.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
That turnover was obviously Devin Brown's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He made the playoffs with the Clippers. Has Stephen Jackson made the playoffs recently? Is he going to make the playoff this year? I think he plays for a team that won 62 games last season.Quote:
He's never been on a winner. I think it comes down to he's never felt pressure before. Playing for the Clippers and Sonics for most of your career, the most pressure felt is picking the right destination for the April vacation.
Devin Brown is shooting 55% from the FT in March.Quote:
To see proof that he's choking, look at his free throw percentages. He's always been a good free throw shooting, but in February he shot 63.6% from the line. In March, it's 66.7%.
He's not a big game player.
Why don't you just admit you don't like Brent Barry and are reaching to find reasons to justify your dislike.Quote:
Period.
Anyway Spurs can trade Barry to Seattle for a resigned Daniels?
Or if Nazr pans out bring over Scola and package Rasho and Barry for a solid SF.
Barry has played horribly lately but Devin Brown hurt us much more in that game. Offensively, Devin is great on the break and spotting up for the three. He is NOT good at breaking down the defense. How many times did he get the ball, hold on to it for at least 5 seconds, then attempt a drive that resulted in a bad shot or a turnover. Our offense went to shit much of the time when he was out there in the second half. Tony takes some blame for that too I suppose.
I'll be the first to say Barry has been a huge disappointment, but some of you need to question whether you're being objective if you can jump all over him even when he has a decent game. Do you think you know more about basketball than Sean Elliott? Because he was singing Barry's praises throughout the game last night, even on defense.
Most importantly what kind of fan are you if you are screaming "Barry sucks!" at a game? Even if you can't wait to be rid of him, for now he's still a Spur.
Check yourself.
I agree that Brown is overrated as a hometown boy and that when he he's not scoring in transition or hot from the outside, that when he tries to drive more bad things happen than good things.
Problem is Spurs have a weak bench. Beno has regressed. Brown offensively is one dimensional except the occassion when he hits the long ball. And Barry is a bust. He was supposed to be the guy that could throw up 15 - 20 point games fairly regularly. Be clutch in tight games at pivotal points. Nobody other than starters, namely Duncan, Manu and Parker can be counted on except for the once in a blue moon to throw up 20 points or be clutch. Auggie says Barry is misused, needs the ball at the top of the key. He's gotten the ball at the top of the key and has been for the most part totally ineffective gettting to the basket. Can't hit for shit from long range. Can do okay in transition which ain't happening in the playoffs. Presses and makes bad plays. Best defense is fouling.
Hopefully Spurs can ride through the playoffs offensively on the backs of TD, Manu and TP. Maybe they'll get a game or two out of Brown and Spurs will get one or two undoubetly out of Bowen. Best hope now though for a steady producer off the bench is Nazr. Hopefully Nazr can throw up some effective offensive games like he did for NY earlier in the season.
My heart bleeds for him. PLEASE give me a job that pays $5M a year to have people yell insults at me.Quote:
Most importantly what kind of fan are you if you are screaming "Barry sucks!" at a game? Even if you can't wait to be rid of him, for now he's still a Spur.
^^ no shit.
Learn to read. I don't feel sorry for Barry at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Elliott can be a tad homerish sometimes, wich I like.
But Barry was brought in for what???
3 point shooting.
Period.
Then what's your fucking point? If you suck on the court, I'm going to call you out.Quote:
Learn to read. I don't feel sorry for Barry at all.
If I have a ticket, I can yell pretty much anything I want, short of "Fire!". I was also screaming "Put Nazr in!" when Denver was owning us on the boards the last 4 minutes.
Barry had a good game in part because he moved without the ball -- that's just as easy to do in 4-down. His being covered by Matador Melo helped alot as well. Overall no one can deny he's been a disappointment. I was excited about the signing, but my caveat was his playoff performances. As the games get bigger, my fear seems well-founded.
I think we could easily trade him for,say, Giricek in the offseason if it came down to it. Different player to be sure, but at least that guy isn't afraid to shoot.
Well congratulations then, great job. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
That pretty much sums it up.Quote:
Overall no one can deny he's been a disappointment. I was excited about the signing, but my caveat was his playoff performances. As the games get bigger, my fear seems well-founded.
great post Chump
Barry Not the Answer in the Playoffs
By Andy Soucier
FullSportPress.com
A Legacy of Playoff Failure
He has a great career field goal percentage for a guard. He’s regarded as a well-rounded player and a team leader. His superior athleticism helped him win the 1996 slam dunk contest and his feathery touch has enabled him to finish among league leaders in three-point shooting percentage. Brent Barry has developed into a reliable three-position player since struggling with his shot early in his career, but he’s underachieved when it’s mattered most -- in the playoffs.
Seattle Supersonics fans still remember it well. After turning in the best regular season of his career in 2001-02, Barry struggled throughout the entire first-round series against the San Antonio Spurs and came up empty in the first half of the series-deciding Game 5 when his teammates needed him most. After averaging 14.4 points, 5.4 assists and 1.8 steals per game on 51% shooting from the field during the regular season, he only managed 7.8 points, 2.8 assists and 0.6 steals per game on 41% shooting in the series against the Spurs.
Several players have struggled against San Antonio’s superior defense, but Barry’s playoff numbers also decreased in almost every statistical category during his only other significant postseason experience, a first-round series against the Utah Jazz in 2000. Barry averaged 11.8 points and 3.6 assists on 46% shooting during the regular season and 8.4 points and 3.0 assists per game on 36% shooting in the playoffs.
Barry also appeared in three playoff games for the Clippers in 1997, managing 11.7 points per game but only shooting 41% from the field.
For his career, Barry averages 10.6 point, 3.8 assists, and 1.28 steals per game on 46% shooting during the regular season, but his numbers fall to 8.9 points, 3.0 assists and 0.77 steals on 39% shooting in the playoffs. He’s averaged about 29 minutes per contest during both the regular season and the playoffs over the course of his career.
Barry’s playoff struggles are a result of his perimeter-based offensive game and average defensive ability. When games get more physical in the playoffs, Barry’s strengths are minimized. He has fewer opportunities to run the floor, he gets less open looks from the field and he sometimes struggles to stay in front of the other team’s top perimeter offensive threats.
The answer for the Spurs?
After Hedo Turkoglu struggled in the 2004 playoffs, San Antonio went into the offseason looking for a player capable of hitting some perimeter shots, getting his teammates involved and playing minutes at multiple positions when needed. Many fans applauded management’s decision to sign Barry because of his understanding of the game, veteran presence on the court and ability to shoot the ball. He hasn’t been missed in Seattle as the Sonics have become one of the top teams in the league, but he’s shown the ability to provide the Spurs with the shooting, court vision and athleticism needed to jumpstart the reserve unit. He’s played less minutes lately, but head coach Gregg Popovich will find it difficult to keep him off the court as the season progresses because of what he brings to the team.
But Popovich and Buford have built a team designed to excel in the playoffs and the players, management and fans will be satisfied with nothing short of a championship. As the stakes increase in the postseason, the Spurs will rely on Barry to ease the pressure on the post players by hitting perimeter shots. Barry will be expected to excel in the moments when Turkoglu failed. Unfortunately for the Spurs, Barry’s past postseason performances suggest that he will turn out to be exactly what he’s always been -- a great regular season performer with a history of playoff struggles.
© Copyright 2004 FullSportPress.com
:[email protected] for pulling his own article out of the FSP archives. :)
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As a Spurs fan I've finally given up on Barry. It's obvious that he's not going to turn a corner and that he is close to worthless on a championship-contender. Barry is supposed to be a shooter, but he misses tons of wide open looks that Duncan and co. spoonfeed him. When I see this guy now all I think is Paul Pressey the Sequel... or Charles Smith or Charlie Ward or any of the other pieces of crap the Spurs added that were supposed to take them to that next level. Hopefully RC can trade him for someone who can make a contribution to this team in the offseason.
Obviously. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by American Grace
The passer is never responsible to throwing it to a person rather than the sidelines.
My bad. :shootme
What does Brent Barry not living up to expectations have to do with Stephen Jackson making the playoffs? Nice deflection.Quote:
He made the playoffs with the Clippers. Has Stephen Jackson made the playoffs recently? Is he going to make the playoff this year? I think he plays for a team that won 62 games last season.
What does Brent Barry not living up to expectations have to do with Devin Brown missing free throws? Nice deflection.Quote:
Devin Brown is shooting 55% from the FT in March.
I liked when the Spurs signed him. I thought he was going to be the shooter the team needed. I thought he was going to spread the defense. I thought his "basketball IQ" was going to be good for the team. Pop thought he was going to split time between Manu, Bruce and Brent.Quote:
Why don't you just admit you don't like Brent Barry and are reaching to find reasons to justify your dislike.
Key words: Thought.
The sad thing is we could almost have gotten both Jon Barry and Bob Sura for the same money.
I seriously at this point would rather have Jon Barry. That guy is tough as nails and always willing to take the big shot.
I've just got to keep hoping that Barry finds "it" before the playoffs.
The Spurs have historically relied on their veteran reserves to step up at key times in order for the Spurs to be successful in the post season. . .Kerr, Ferry, Willis, Kersey, Purdue. . .even Steve Smith in an inspirational way for SJax all did that well.
I was hoping Barry would be that guy who would be added to the list of those who have stepped up when it counts for this year's edition of the Spurs. . .and I still am.
We'll need someone to be that person this year. That type of leadership is part of the Spurs success formula for post season play. I'm worried about our chances without that ingredient.
Maybe it's going to be Robert Horry, but so far I don't know if Horry or Barry have shown that they have "it" this year. RH has in the past, so here's hoping his best days aren't behind him.
Watch the play again, try and set aside your obvious bias, and then see if you still think Barry was at fault on that play.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Weren't you the guy saying the Spurs screwed up by letting Jackson go and signing Barry?Quote:
What does Brent Barry not living up to expectations have to do with Stephen Jackson making the playoffs? Nice deflection.
If Brent is a choker for making the playoffs with the Clippers, what does that make Stephen Jackson? He's going to miss the playoffs on a team that won 62 games last year.
What does a 2 month long Free Throw shooting trend have to do with choking? And why does it only apply to Brent Barry?Quote:
What does Brent Barry not living up to expectations have to do with Devin Brown missing free throws? Nice deflection.
You really can't judge how effective he will be at spreading the defense until the playoffs. You won't be able to say for sure if he is a choker until the playoffs.Quote:
I liked when the Spurs signed him. I thought he was going to be the shooter the team needed. I thought he was going to spread the defense. I thought his "basketball IQ" was going to be good for the team. Pop thought he was going to split time between Manu, Bruce and Brent.
Key words: Thought.
I see a lot of comparisons between Barry and Hedo. There is no comparison. Hedo played well in the regular season. Hedo didn't come here to try and win a championship. Hedo wanted to start and get paid. Hedo signed with the worst team in the NBA for monetary reasons. Barry took less to come here to try and help a team win a title, as a reserve.
yeah i wonder who was campaigning for him in the offseason.Quote:
I seriously at this point would rather have Jon Barry
:[email protected] You have been enjoying giving yourself props lately.
You wanted Brent Barry as well.