I don't think the FO would touch either of those guys with a ten-foot pole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
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I don't think the FO would touch either of those guys with a ten-foot pole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
Bring in at least 1 new swingman per year over the next 2 years.
Honestly, the economy is going to affect the league bad in 2010 perhaps not the Lakers, Knicks or Bulls but for those like the Spurs it may not a BIG FREE AGENT NAME year but we may bring in some inexpensive talent. Lots of teams are trying to dump salary and that trend will likely continue over the summer and most of the next season. The Spurs will again look overseas for talent and for those players that will acclimate to what they do and leave egos for the total team. I think this summer will be bigger for them than 2010 but we'll see how other teams handle the contracts and this coming summerQuote:
Originally Posted by iilluzioN
Spurs will be so under the cap that they will be able to sign a max player even with the bad economy.
The 2010 plan is a quite solid option for Spurs and a great insurance if Manu struggles with his health/level of play.
If were lucky we will find a steal in the draft like we did with TP and Manu, but if we want to get a franchise player again, I see us having to have one very bad season where we end up with a high lottery pick like we did with DROB and Timmy. OK, maybe I am dreaming, but it is a nice dream.:lol
Exactly..we have a LOT of people signed right now that will be free agents for 2010...a LOT of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Pop needs cap room to re-sign Finley.
Viva la experience!!
Spurs have 35 million committed between only two players on the roster. If they give a max contract, they will have close to 55 million for only 3 players. If the cap is even the same as it is today, there is no way they can fill out the roster and avoid luxury tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
What you saying? The CBA most likely changes in 2010, anything is possible.
Uh, Class of '03 (LBJ,Melo,Wade,Bosh) won't be eligible for anything near a deal starting at $20M. Probably closer to $14-15M, starting. Six years if they sign with their own team, five with another team.
no, it doesnt. the current cba runs through 2011, with an option to pick it up through 2012. ive seen this said over and over here. lets all try and kill the spreading of false information right here (not ragging on you specifically).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
now its time for more 2010 math (seem like we go through this every 2 weeks).
right now, the spurs are only on the hook for about 35.7 mil for 4 players in 2010 (parker and duncan, plus hill and ian, assuming both their contracts are picked up). the current cap is about 58.7 mil. that figure looks to decrease over the next two years thanks to the recent economic downswing. so a drop of 2-3 mil each year would be in the ball park. so lets go with a figure of 55 mil as a conservative number.
that leaves a difference of 19.3 mil. but thats not what we have to spend. once you factor in our 2010 pick (going to assume we keep it here), thats about 1 mil added to the salary number. then you have to factor in the minimum caps hold for the empty roster spots. that totals about 3.5 mil. and lets not forget about splitter (doesnt count toward our salary, but he is still a cap hold, so there goes another mil). so that now leaves about 14 mil. a max contract would run 13.75 or 16.5 mil (depending on the length of time played in the league). but for all the players who are the home-run hits in 2010, its going to be the 16.5 mil figure.
so, right now, its going to take a bit of work just to get enough to offer a max contract in 2010 (thanks to the shrinking cap). but we could still get there (moving/not renewing ian/hill, trading our 2010 1st). but that assumes we have dumped manu for nothing. along with the rest of the team (mason, bonner, all the vets, possible hairston). for the sake of easy math (and to continue this fantasy), lets just pretend that moving the 2010 pick is enough to get us to a max offer (its not, but again, lets pretend). so that would leave us with:
pg: parker, hill
sg:
sf:
pf: duncan,
c: mahinmi,
plus one max player. that leaves 8 more spots to be filled. lets be really, really optimistic and assume splitter makes the leap. and lets assume gist gets his butt over here too (could already be here, eating up more space). and for the sake of fit, lets pretend we sign joe johnson. that leaves:
pg: parker, hill
sg: johnson,
sf: gist,
pf: duncan,
c: splitter, mahinmi,
now that leaves 6 spots to be filled with the BAE (assuming we dont spend it this summer) and min contracts. so lets figure we net a solid vet with the BAE (a finley-type), one decent vet at the min, and some combination of rooks and scrubs to fill things out. now we sit at:
pg: parker, hill, scrub
sg: johnson, vet, rookie
sf: BAE, gist,
pf: duncan, rookie, scrub
c: splitter, mahinmi,
so how far do we see that team going? because thats the best case scenario for 2010 at this point (ie, never going to happen). the real thing isnt going to be nearly as good as that.
im not even going to get into the issue of keeping manu or mason, because when you figure those things into the equation, the ability to give a max offer become so far from nil, we need to stop talking at that point.
Nicely done signing Johnson for the max. Although it is just fantasy, that is overpaying.
When you realise Mason will be 30 in 2010, I would not want to sign him.
That leaves Ginobili for the MLE, if he does not retire.
I didn't know our player representatives in the NBPA were Matt Bonner and Ime Udoka.
true, but does the team look all that much better with bosh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
pg: parker, hill, scrub
sg: BAE, rookie, scrub
sf: vet, gist
pf: duncan, mahinmi, rookie
c: bosh, splitter
is that team any better (strong front court, but abysmal swing rotation)?
if you ascribe to the 2010 plan, letting mason walk is fine (even if you dont, its not world breaking). but signing manu to a MLE-type deal shoots the max offer in the foot. you cant have both.
I always thought we had Manu's bird rights and Johnson can be signed for 13 million at most.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss1986v2
we do have bird rights on manu, but he still counts against the cap until we sign him (16 mil, give or take).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
and i dont know what you mean by "at most" (whether you mean his theoretical max, or what hes actually worth). but hes been in the league for more than 7 years, so hes eligible for up to 30% of the cap. and if anyone expects him to leave atlanta, they are probably going to have to overpay.
What he is actually worth would be somewhere around 11 million. So the Spurs would probably chase after D-Wade or Chris Bosh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss1986v2
which is fine and all, but as i said, we probably dont have the money to chase those guys (would have to move both the 2010 1st and mahinmi, sign no one between now and 2010, and lose manu). and thats just for the chance to sign them. we arent the only team in this hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
Amare is a mentally challenged, defensively challenged shawn kemp.
give him afew years, and the will end the same.
no thanks to him.
I don't want to jinx us, but I'm afraid I think manu is damaged goods from here on out, and might either retire early or will actually play backup minutes, so will get a reduced contract...
That would allow a better signing perhaps....
No plan at all. Cap is likely to decrease. They might resign Gooden in 2009 and Manu in 2010 if healthy. Other than that I can only see them bringing over Splitter (if only) and Gist and work them along with Mahinmi and Hairston in the rotation.
Bingo. Some of those 2010 free agents are better off signing extensions this offseason so that talent pool is going to shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step
Even then, that does not leave room for the Spurs to sign a Max player. As someone else has already outlined, you can expect the salary cap to drop, not rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Also, if we sign Ginobili, you can go ahead and take away 8-10 Million of the 14-15 million of the cap space, which leaves you with 5-7 million. That is no Bosh, Amare, JJ or anyone of that caliber.
gino aint worth 8-10m in 2010...i dont give a shit about loyalty contract we should give him, business is business....if he gets a better offer somewhere else to cash in his last big contract then good for him. But seriously 8-10m for ginoboli off the bench? no....his only worth MLE in 2010+Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920