Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo: Would you do it?

Don't know if theoretical trade threads are frowned upon or not, but I was watching the Celtics game tonight and listening to them talk about how good Rondo is.

And I agree, so would you trade or approve of a trade of Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo, straight up?

My thoughts:

Rondo's younger and cheaper and likely to get better.

But Parker is a championship-winning stud who's playing the best ball of his career right now.

I would be in favor of it, though I think its an incredibly close argument.

In posing the question, I'm considering it not just as a "who's better?" argument but who you would rather have as a franchise, including age, salary, prospects for improvement, etc.

What do you think?

:shootme

I wouldn't trade Parker for three Rondos.

This might be the worst thread ever.

For Rondo? No

For Ronda? Yes

FUCK no. Rondo is like Parker used to be: no shot, and out of control. He's a decent fourth option for Boston.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I wouldn't trade Parker for three Rondos.

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Really? He's gotten so much better and he's still really young.

He's developed a jump shot and that will only get better, plus he's a very good defender and is the PG of a championship winning, veteran laden team.

Maybe I love him too much and maybe my Spurs fan membership card should get pulled for it, but for some reason I like this.

In the context of our immediate needs, I guess we need Parker's scoring more....ok I'm starting to hate my own argument....

Not only no but hell no. We might have our own Rondo in the near future backing up Tony.

:smchode:

Rondo for TP? Hah

More like G-Hill for Rondo?

There is only one relevant fact: Rondo could never carry the team like Parker is now, and we need that with Manu and Tim getting older. He's more or less a blue collar lunch bucket guy. Tony's a fucking Ferrari. You pay for that, and there aren't many available.

Is there some way, we can thumb up threads, or thumb down threads, and give the posters with the best threads and posts, some kinda reward like an extra spur or something after tallying posts every month? that would be kind of interesting. :p:

FUCK NO! You're fucking crazy dude. Rondo will NEVER be even CLOSE to as good as Tony is now.

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Is there some way, we can thumb up threads, or thumb down threads, and give the posters with the best threads and posts, some kinda reward like an extra spur or something after tallying posts every month? that would be kind of interesting. :p:

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ok i'm willing to admit i'm coming out of left field here.....but think about it as part of a plan for the future....not that we'd make the trade today, but during this offseason....

Plus we already have George Hill.

Hell No!:nope But you were brave for asking:lol

Trade out Rondo for Parker the last month and the Spurs would be scoring about 75 points per game. Rondo is a good player but he's overhyped due to being on a very good team. He's a better defender than Parker ... but that's about it. And his type of gambling, pressure defense doesn't really jive with Pop's bend-but-don't-break defensive philosophy.

Give Hill a couple of years and he may very well be a nice Rondo clone.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Trade out Rondo for Parker the last month and the Spurs would be scoring about 75 points per game. Rondo is a good player but he's overhyped due to being on a very good team. He's a better defender than Parker ... but that's about it. And his type of gambling, pressure defense doesn't really jive with Pop's bend-but-don't-break defensive philosophy.

Give Hill a couple of years and he may very well be a nice Rondo clone.

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you think Hill can develop those pure point ball distribution type skills rondo has?

In fact I'd say George hill is a better scorer than rondo when given the same touches and court time....

BTW, I give credit to VI_Massive for at least having a solid opening post. Don't think many will agree but it was much better than the crazy thread title followed by a link to the ESPN trade machine that is flame-worthy.

By comparison, this is a good thread.

Rondo's overrated. I wouldnt even trade Hill.

Rondo is only doing so well because he has 3 superstars on his team. I dont get why ESPN gets on his nuts so much.

Force Rondo to become a jumpshooter and he's useless.

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

ok i'm willing to admit i'm coming out of left field here.....but think about it as part of a plan for the future....not that we'd make the trade today, but during this offseason....

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Well its ok I wasnt making it personal, you are free to make threads here, thats the best part. I was just thinking about that rating system and thought it might be interesting :toast

HELL NO. That is all....

Wtp?

what the fuck?!?!?!

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Originally Posted by timtonymanu

Rondo's overrated. I wouldnt even trade Hill.

Rondo is only doing so well because he has 3 superstars on his team. I dont get why ESPN gets on his nuts so much.

Force Rondo to become a jumpshooter and he's useless.

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I agree my idea might be totally nuts, and Rondo plays on a great team, but that's part of why I think he could be special on a team like SA. Though as I've said right now we need the scoring more than his ball distribution skills.

But he is a big part of Boston doing well -- look at them without him on the floor. They really struggle to score. I don't think he's overrated.

Plus, you can't take him out of the game by making him shoot jumpers any more. It was that way last season, but he's shooting 50% this year and that's nothing to spit at for a guard.

Gimme Rondo and Pierce too. Seriously, that is bullshit.

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

you think Hill can develop those pure point ball distribution type skills rondo has?

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I think he could. He's humble and coachable. That's usually the issue when you try to convert a small SG. They're stone gunners for the most part.

Now for the kicker: I don't think he has to. The Spurs haven't had a pure-play PG since AJ left in 2001. They need:

a) someone to bring the ball up - check
b) someone to break down the defense and get to the rack - check.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I think he could. He's humble and coachable. That's usually the issue when you try to convert a small SG. They're stone gunners for the most part.

Now for the kicker: I don't think he has to. The Spurs haven't had a pure-play PG since AJ left in 2001. They need:

a) someone to bring the ball up - check
b) someone to break down the defense and get to the rack - check.

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word. good point.

i think pop's system works best with combo guards who can score and are functional ball handlers

Let's trade Tim Duncan for Travis Outlaw too!

Ugh heh. Sorry but that is an awful trade.

Rondo is a solid point guard but Tony Parker is vastly superior in nearly every aspect of the game. If TP was on a team without Duncan or Manu (where he'd be the main man) he'd be a superstar. Rondo isn't on that level. He's by no means bad and I don't agree with some of the people that depreciate his value just by saying he plays on a great team (hell, thats what a lot of people used to say about TP also), but he just doesn't have anything close to the offensive game the Parker has.

Manu Ginobili for Von Wafer.

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Originally Posted by gaKNOW!blee

This might be the worst thread ever.

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Very close to one of the worst threads I have ever read.

Wow.

Hell no !!!

Rondo will never be as good as Tony Parker.

This begins to compete with the oldies but goodies like some of whott's -- (e.g. where he and another poster name call each other and it leads to suicide discussions).

:nope

got damn, I am going to have to quit coming here.... shit.. man..

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Let's trade Tim Duncan for Travis Outlaw too!

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+ 1

Analogous to the incomprehensible trade of Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo.

:wakeup

http://members.arstechnica.com/x/inthane/gtfo.jpeg

Rondo doesn't have the talent to be something more than a role player.

And let's trade Gooden for Kendrick Perkins

Yeah great ideas you got there

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Originally Posted by lefty

And let's trade Gooden for Kendrick Perkins

Yeah great ideas you got there

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ok i admit i'm wrong with the parker-rondo thing but we would take perkins in a heartbeat!

This is stupid! Go back to Boston!

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Originally Posted by celldweller

This is stupid! Go back to Boston!

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i'm no celtics lover by any means....but rondo and perkins are some nice young players.

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

ok i admit i'm wrong with the parker-rondo thing but we would take perkins in a heartbeat!

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Gooden is more versatile than Perkins

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Originally Posted by lefty

Gooden is more versatile than Perkins

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Perkins and his stare owns Gooden's defense.

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Originally Posted by lefty

Gooden is more versatile than Perkins

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if we were inheriting perkins' contract situation vs. gooden's then its a no-brainer for perkins.

but i think even in a neutral contract situation you take perkins. he's so much younger and very good defensively and even a little bit bigger. his rebounding is pretty much the same as gooden's though you have to think it'll get better as he matures more. the same with his offense. he has some decent post moves that will get better as be develops.

again, i'll admit i'm wrong about the rondo-parker thing but gooden for perkins is a no-brainer to take perkins, right? young big 7 footers who can defend and score a little bit don't fall out of the sky....

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

if we were inheriting perkins' contract situation vs. gooden's then its a no-brainer for perkins.

but i think even in a neutral contract situation you take perkins. he's so much younger and very good defensively and even a little bit bigger. his rebounding is pretty much the same as gooden's though you have to think it'll get better as he matures more. the same with his offense. he has some decent post moves that will get better as be develops.

again, i'll admit i'm wrong about the rondo-parker thing but gooden for perkins is a no-brainer to take perkins, right? young big 7 footers who can defend and score a little bit don't fall out of the sky....

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Interesting points.


Then let's change the title of this thread


Gooden for Perkins !!!!

There is a reason why Perkins and Rondo were not traded for Ray Allen or Kevin Garnett.

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Hi this is michelvhn

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Is this the first Knick fan Spurstalk ever had?

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Originally Posted by lefty

Interesting points.


Then let's change the title of this thread


Gooden for Perkins !!!!

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i wish we could get that.....and that i hadn't posted a thread without thinking it through very well....

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

ok i admit i'm wrong with the parker-rondo thing but we would take perkins in a heartbeat!

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Wow..you've got to be kidding me. Do you watch basketball? Let's see...one guy who's a rebounder, who is a good offensive threat, and can create his own shots on the block, or the other guy, who's a thug and likes to hurt people..wow..this is a tough one. Please tell me you're not serious.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

There is a reason why Perkins and Rondo were not traded for Ray Allen or Kevin Garnett.

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Because nobody wanted Rondo and Perkins

I vote yes on the Gooden for Perkins idea. Gooden is the better basketball player... but I think Perkins would be a better addition to this team due to his size, defense, and shot blocking ability. He seems like a better role player... I hope I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by lefty

Because nobody wanted Rondo and Perkins

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You know that is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Joe Schmoogins

I vote yes on the Gooden for Perkins idea. Gooden is the better basketball player... but I think Perkins would be a better addition to this team due to his size, defense, and shot blocking ability. He seems like a better role player... I hope I'm wrong.

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Don't worry..you are. :)

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Originally Posted by Spursfan092120

Wow..you've got to be kidding me. Do you watch basketball? Let's see...one guy who's a rebounder, who is a good offensive threat, and can create his own shots on the block, or the other guy, who's a thug and likes to hurt people..wow..this is a tough one. Please tell me you're not serious.

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their rebounding is about the same.

gooden is a more polished offensive player, without a doubt.

perkins is a better defender, without a doubt.

but perkins is only 24 -- he's still 3-4 seasons from his peak. gooden's there right now. he's not getting any better. this is his ceiling.

and as for perkins' demeanor, is there anything wrong with having an rugged, physically intimidating enforcer inside?

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

their rebounding is about the same.

gooden is a more polished offensive player, without a doubt.

perkins is a better defender, without a doubt.

but perkins is only 24 -- he's still 3-4 seasons from his peak. gooden's there right now. he's not getting any better. this is his ceiling.

and as for perkins' demeanor, is there anything wrong with having an rugged, physically intimidating enforcer inside?

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Nothing wrong with it at all. But I have to think that with the Spurs system, Gooden is definitely a better fit. With the way the Spurs like to pick and roll and set up the big for a jump shot, Gooden is a much better fit. No offense to Perkins, but Gooden is just a better fit.

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums...lpretty9lw.jpg

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Originally Posted by Spursfan092120

Nothing wrong with it at all. But I have to think that with the Spurs system, Gooden is definitely a better fit. With the way the Spurs like to pick and roll and set up the big for a jump shot, Gooden is a much better fit. No offense to Perkins, but Gooden is just a better fit.

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i see your point, but we were ready to trade for camby and though i think his defense is clearly better than perkins', he is a guy without a great jumper whose offense basically comes on tip ins and the occasional drive.

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Originally Posted by Spursfan092120

Don't worry..you are. :)

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well as of now...

Perkin's contributions to Celtics > Gooden's contribution to Spurs

until that changes... I'm right. :)

I would in fact trade Gooden for Perkins considering contracts were neutral. I definitely think the defense Perkins brings to the table is better for the Spurs then the offensive talents of Gooden. Perkins is a real presence on the court even if he is a thug (probably because he is a thug) and its players like him that glue the big three together on that celtics squad (Rondo too for that matter, though of course id never trade a true talent like TP for him).

Parker for Rondo ... no way.

The only PG I'd consider trading Parker for would be Chris Paul, or maybe Deron Williams. Or any of the Laker points.

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Originally Posted by Don Quixote

Parker for Rondo ... no way.

The only PG I'd consider trading Parker for would be Chris Paul, or maybe Deron Williams. Or any of the Laker points.

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You nuts?

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Originally Posted by Don Quixote

Parker for Rondo ... no way.

The only PG I'd consider trading Parker for would be Chris Paul, or maybe Deron Williams. Or any of the Laker points.

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by comparison, my poorly thought out idea looks good

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

i see your point, but we were ready to trade for camby and though i think his defense is clearly better than perkins', he is a guy without a great jumper whose offense basically comes on tip ins and the occasional drive.

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Alright...make a deal with you..dump Oberto for Camby or Perkins.

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Originally Posted by Don Quixote

Parker for Rondo ... no way.

The only PG I'd consider trading Parker for would be Chris Paul, or maybe Deron Williams. Or any of the Laker points.

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THIS is the guy. I thought for sure you were joking..are you kidding me? You're gonna trade Parker for the aged Fisher or the retarded Jordan Farmar?

Rondo is quality, you don't have to diminish his skills.

As of now I'd keep Parker all day, he's an elite PG... his offensive game is much more skillful and crafty and his vision is a bit underrated. Where Tony gets into trouble is deciding when it's time for him to eat, since he can practically get to the basket at will.. although that jump shot just ain't wet enough for my liking.

TP has gone through his growing pains as a player and a person. Rondo is significantly better than last year and has more swagger, but he's still developing, maturing.. With Tony we have a near finished product using his own intellect and making use of his abilities with deliberate adult conciousness. He understands the game and can will something to happen.

Although TP did have moments where he faltered, ultimately he persevered..

We are witnessing the fruit of his hard work+god given talent guided by good coaches and playing with the likes of Tim Duncan, etc. I would rather have a PG who adopted TD's demeanor than the Bravado of Garnett, speaking just for me.

Tony is tough.. and he doesn't point at himself to make sure we know. In his younger days you could knock him around and it would shake him. Not anymore. Some of the things he does gets taken for granted.

Rondo has a long way to grow but he's on the right path. He has the tools, quickness, length, rebounding, defense.. to be very good, we'll just have to wait and see.

I'd never do it.

WHat the hell is goin on???

Obviously Tony is the much better player and I wouldn't trade him, but personally I don't think the difference between the two is as lopsided as a lot of people think. Rondo is superior to Parker defensively and in rebounding, and as a playmaker he's at least Tony's equal if not better. The only thing Tony does better than the guy is score (but by a considerable margin).

I happen to think Rondo is Boston's one real indispensable player and their MVP, so I don't think it's the craziest idea ever. I would phrase it more like "The Spurs are one of the five or six teams in the league that wouldn't trade their PG for Rondo if they could."

Want Rondo? Go cheer for the Celtics.

:nope

I sence drug presence.

Boston has so much faith in Rondo, going out and signing Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury in back to back seasons.

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I happen to think Rondo is Boston's one real indispensable player and their MVP, so I don't think it's the craziest idea ever. I would phrase it more like "The Spurs are one of the five or six teams in the league that wouldn't trade their PG for Rondo if they could."

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Teams that would absolutely never trade their PG for Rondo:

1) New Orleans
2) Utah
3) San Antonio
4) Denver
5) Orlando
6) New Jersey
7) Cleveland
8) Chicago
9) Oklahoma City
10) Golden State

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Teams that would absolutely never trade their PG for Rondo:

1) New Orleans
2) Utah
3) San Antonio
4) Denver
5) Orlando
6) New Jersey
7) Cleveland
8) Chicago
9) Oklahoma City
10) Golden State

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GSW: If you consider Monta Ellis a PG, maybe they won't, but reportedly, Ellis wants out.

Nuggets: Maybe next year, but Celtics would absolutely not do it. Rondo's value is higher than Billups.

NO!! NO!! NO!! why get rid of one of the best nba players? Rondo is zero, compared to tony!

Throw in KG and you got yourself a deal.

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Why TP, im curious to know? i would rather trade Tim duncan for some forward. But well, hes going to quit soon anyway

Vaughn for Kobe or Lebron makes more sense...

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Originally Posted by timvp

Trade out Rondo for Parker the last month and the Spurs would be scoring about 75 points per game. Rondo is a good player but he's overhyped due to being on a very good team. He's a better defender than Parker ... but that's about it. And his type of gambling, pressure defense doesn't really jive with Pop's bend-but-don't-break defensive philosophy.

Give Hill a couple of years and he may very well be a nice Rondo clone.

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Originally Posted by easy7

Vaughn for Kobe or Lebron makes more sense...

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Hitler, is that you? Why is FuhrerDynasty posting? I thought he was IP banned.

This is like saying should we trade Beasley for Duncan, and is exactly the type of logic that helped created the rookie salary cap.

Only in the world of sports (and maybe the dotcom world back in early 2000) is a sure thing < potential. Rondo has pretty much reached his potential by playing in a system that is perfect for him. The Celtics play a brand of quick, pressuring defense that works to his strengths, and his offensive responsibilities are minimized due to the pressure given to the Big 3.

Rajon can't finish like Parker, he can't pass like Parker, and he can't even shoot like Parker. Why would you trade for a player with a maximum upside that is less than a current Parker with no guarantee that said player could ever reach it?

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Originally Posted by ambchang

Rajon can't finish like Parker, he can't pass like Parker, and he can't even shoot like Parker. Why would you trade for a player with a maximum upside that is less than a current Parker with no guarantee that said player could ever reach it?

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Rondo can barely shoot like Oberto, much less Parker. The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Rondo can barely shoot like Oberto, much less Parker. The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

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i couldn't agree more with you about Parker being disgustingly underrated here.

but honestly, i think all the posters have made it very clear what they thought about Tony for Rondo. i don't even understand where the OP wants to go.

and when rondo's contract will be revaluated (in one or two year i think), this trade would look even more ridiculous.

A lot of the reasons Parker were underrated was, believe it or, because of his earlier perceived potential.

When he first came into the league, Parker couldn't shoot, he couldn't pass very well, he couldn't run the offense very well. The fact that he was the major scrapegoat in 2004 doesn't help, and the perception that Claxton has to save his butt in 03 Finals, and Kerr saving his butt in 03 vs. Mavs makes it even worse.

People refused to admit that times have changed. Parker is now a very good shooter (not great, but good enough to hurt other teams and open up his drives); he runs the offense very well; his defense, though not top-notch, is at least above average; and he can still drive and finish with the best of them.

Parker is without a doubt a top 5 point guard in the game today, possibly top 3. He can carry a team for stretches, and is actually the closest thing to Isiah Thomas.

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

Don't know if theoretical trade threads are frowned upon or not, but I was watching the Celtics game tonight and listening to them talk about how good Rondo is.

And I agree, so would you trade or approve of a trade of Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo, straight up?

My thoughts:

Rondo's younger and cheaper and likely to get better.

But Parker is a championship-winning stud who's playing the best ball of his career right now.

I would be in favor of it, though I think its an incredibly close argument.

In posing the question, I'm considering it not just as a "who's better?" argument but who you would rather have as a franchise, including age, salary, prospects for improvement, etc.

What do you think?

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As much as Parker drives me insane this is a really silly question.

Why would you trade the second or third best PG a top 20 in the league for an overated player like Rondo ?

No, I wouldn`t

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Rondo can barely shoot like Oberto, much less Parker. The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

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:tu

Both the Ray Allen and Garnett trades were held up because those teams wanted Rondo and Ainge refused to give him up even if it meant sinking the deals.


Parker vs. Rondo this year:

All stats are Per 36 minutes:

Points: Parker 22.7, Rondo 12.7
FT% Parker .802, Rondo .643

FG% Rondo .506, Parker .491
eFG% Rondo .517, Parker .499
3pt% Rondo .325, Parker .315 (neither shoot many)
Rebs Rondo 5.7, Parker 3.1
Asts Rondo 9.1, Parker 7.2
Steals Rondo 2.0, Parker 0.9
Defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) Rondo 101, Parker 107

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

Age: Parker almost 27, Rondo just turned 23.

why r there always too many ignorant bastas ?

No me gusta!

Yes of course

Parker for Rondo
Ginobili for Ronny Brewer
Duncan for Bargnani

... and we can start a dynasty with younger players :rolleyes

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A lot of the reasons Parker were underrated was, believe it or, because of his earlier perceived potential.

When he first came into the league, Parker couldn't shoot, he couldn't pass very well, he couldn't run the offense very well. The fact that he was the major scrapegoat in 2004 doesn't help, and the perception that Claxton has to save his butt in 03 Finals, and Kerr saving his butt in 03 vs. Mavs makes it even worse.

People refused to admit that times have changed. Parker is now a very good shooter (not great, but good enough to hurt other teams and open up his drives); he runs the offense very well; his defense, though not top-notch, is at least above average; and he can still drive and finish with the best of them.

Parker is without a doubt a top 5 point guard in the game today, possibly top 3. He can carry a team for stretches, and is actually the closest thing to Isiah Thomas.

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+1
People tend to forget that Parker was younger in 2004 than Hill is now.

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Originally Posted by Gant

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

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That's like saying that Garnett only scores more than Oberto because he gets more shots (Fab is shooting 80 points higher from the floor).

Fab & Rondo take very few contested shots, and have very limited range - so they SHOULD shoot higher percentages than most of their counterparts. With his shot selection, if Rondo was shooting 45% from the floor - that would be god awful.

There's not a GM, coach, scout, or analyst on the entire planet that thinks Rondo is in the same stratosphere offensively as Parker.

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Originally Posted by Gant

Both the Ray Allen and Garnett trades were held up because those teams wanted Rondo and Ainge refused to give him up even if it meant sinking the deals.


Parker vs. Rondo this year:

All stats are Per 36 minutes:

Points: Parker 22.7, Rondo 12.7
FT% Parker .802, Rondo .643

FG% Rondo .506, Parker .491
eFG% Rondo .517, Parker .499
3pt% Rondo .325, Parker .315 (neither shoot many)
Rebs Rondo 5.7, Parker 3.1
Asts Rondo 9.1, Parker 7.2
Steals Rondo 2.0, Parker 0.9
Defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) Rondo 101, Parker 107

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

Age: Parker almost 27, Rondo just turned 23.

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Rondo is the fourth scoring option. Parker is the first or second on most nights and opposing defenses are usually focused on keeping Tony out of the paint, probably much more than Rondo.

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Originally Posted by Gant

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

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Sometimes these kind of comparaisons are lame.
Regarding the scoring, Rondo has no responsability for the scoring it's easier when you have the luxury of selecting your shoots and not having the scoring responsability on your back (I'm sure KT has a better FG% than TP and Rondo, so KT>TP and Rondo??). I would like to see what would be the FG% of Rondo if he should take 20 shoot per game and lead the box score for his team.

Much better defender ??? maybe a slightly better defender during RS surely not when it counts in PO.

Rebounder. ok

Passer. Well in this case for SA it's quite complicated to have good apg stat : you don't assist Tim, Tim creates his own shoot. Pierce is more a catch and shoot player. Besides as Rondo has no scoring responsability his focus is passing the ball not feeding the box score.

Globally TP is a YOUNG all star, MVP finals, 3 rings and has also demonstrated that he can win games without Manu and even without Tim, Rondo is far far far away of TP level. No doubt that Rondo has a bright future but now it's really premature to compare.

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Originally Posted by Bartleby

Rondo is the fourth scoring option. Parker is the first or second on most nights and opposing defenses are usually focused on keeping Tony out of the paint, probably much more than Rondo.

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When Rondo is the second option he does what he did last night. He can score in a very similar fashion to Parker- slash and burn.

You can't penalize a guy for deciding it's a good idea to pass to Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

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Originally Posted by Gant

When Rondo is the second option he does what he did last night. He can score in a very similar fashion to Parker- slash and burn.

You can't penalize a guy for deciding it's a good idea to pass to Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

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tony carried the spurs and won some games without manu and duncan, i don't think rondo can do that.

As overrated as I think Parker is.....THIS THREAD SUCKS!!!