Because nobody wanted Rondo and PerkinsQuote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
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Because nobody wanted Rondo and PerkinsQuote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
I vote yes on the Gooden for Perkins idea. Gooden is the better basketball player... but I think Perkins would be a better addition to this team due to his size, defense, and shot blocking ability. He seems like a better role player... I hope I'm wrong.
You know that is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Don't worry..you are. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoogins
their rebounding is about the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
gooden is a more polished offensive player, without a doubt.
perkins is a better defender, without a doubt.
but perkins is only 24 -- he's still 3-4 seasons from his peak. gooden's there right now. he's not getting any better. this is his ceiling.
and as for perkins' demeanor, is there anything wrong with having an rugged, physically intimidating enforcer inside?
Nothing wrong with it at all. But I have to think that with the Spurs system, Gooden is definitely a better fit. With the way the Spurs like to pick and roll and set up the big for a jump shot, Gooden is a much better fit. No offense to Perkins, but Gooden is just a better fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by VI_Massive
i see your point, but we were ready to trade for camby and though i think his defense is clearly better than perkins', he is a guy without a great jumper whose offense basically comes on tip ins and the occasional drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
well as of now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
Perkin's contributions to Celtics > Gooden's contribution to Spurs
until that changes... I'm right. :)
I would in fact trade Gooden for Perkins considering contracts were neutral. I definitely think the defense Perkins brings to the table is better for the Spurs then the offensive talents of Gooden. Perkins is a real presence on the court even if he is a thug (probably because he is a thug) and its players like him that glue the big three together on that celtics squad (Rondo too for that matter, though of course id never trade a true talent like TP for him).
Parker for Rondo ... no way.
The only PG I'd consider trading Parker for would be Chris Paul, or maybe Deron Williams. Or any of the Laker points.
You nuts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Quixote
by comparison, my poorly thought out idea looks goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Quixote
Alright...make a deal with you..dump Oberto for Camby or Perkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by VI_Massive
THIS is the guy. I thought for sure you were joking..are you kidding me? You're gonna trade Parker for the aged Fisher or the retarded Jordan Farmar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Quixote
Rondo is quality, you don't have to diminish his skills.
As of now I'd keep Parker all day, he's an elite PG... his offensive game is much more skillful and crafty and his vision is a bit underrated. Where Tony gets into trouble is deciding when it's time for him to eat, since he can practically get to the basket at will.. although that jump shot just ain't wet enough for my liking.
TP has gone through his growing pains as a player and a person. Rondo is significantly better than last year and has more swagger, but he's still developing, maturing.. With Tony we have a near finished product using his own intellect and making use of his abilities with deliberate adult conciousness. He understands the game and can will something to happen.
Although TP did have moments where he faltered, ultimately he persevered..
We are witnessing the fruit of his hard work+god given talent guided by good coaches and playing with the likes of Tim Duncan, etc. I would rather have a PG who adopted TD's demeanor than the Bravado of Garnett, speaking just for me.
Tony is tough.. and he doesn't point at himself to make sure we know. In his younger days you could knock him around and it would shake him. Not anymore. Some of the things he does gets taken for granted.
Rondo has a long way to grow but he's on the right path. He has the tools, quickness, length, rebounding, defense.. to be very good, we'll just have to wait and see.
I'd never do it.
WHat the hell is goin on???
Obviously Tony is the much better player and I wouldn't trade him, but personally I don't think the difference between the two is as lopsided as a lot of people think. Rondo is superior to Parker defensively and in rebounding, and as a playmaker he's at least Tony's equal if not better. The only thing Tony does better than the guy is score (but by a considerable margin).
I happen to think Rondo is Boston's one real indispensable player and their MVP, so I don't think it's the craziest idea ever. I would phrase it more like "The Spurs are one of the five or six teams in the league that wouldn't trade their PG for Rondo if they could."
Want Rondo? Go cheer for the Celtics.
:nope
I sence drug presence.
Boston has so much faith in Rondo, going out and signing Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury in back to back seasons.
Teams that would absolutely never trade their PG for Rondo:Quote:
Originally Posted by roycrikside
1) New Orleans
2) Utah
3) San Antonio
4) Denver
5) Orlando
6) New Jersey
7) Cleveland
8) Chicago
9) Oklahoma City
10) Golden State
GSW: If you consider Monta Ellis a PG, maybe they won't, but reportedly, Ellis wants out.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Nuggets: Maybe next year, but Celtics would absolutely not do it. Rondo's value is higher than Billups.