Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo: Would you do it?

NO!! NO!! NO!! why get rid of one of the best nba players? Rondo is zero, compared to tony!

Throw in KG and you got yourself a deal.

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Why TP, im curious to know? i would rather trade Tim duncan for some forward. But well, hes going to quit soon anyway

Vaughn for Kobe or Lebron makes more sense...

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Originally Posted by timvp

Trade out Rondo for Parker the last month and the Spurs would be scoring about 75 points per game. Rondo is a good player but he's overhyped due to being on a very good team. He's a better defender than Parker ... but that's about it. And his type of gambling, pressure defense doesn't really jive with Pop's bend-but-don't-break defensive philosophy.

Give Hill a couple of years and he may very well be a nice Rondo clone.

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Originally Posted by easy7

Vaughn for Kobe or Lebron makes more sense...

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Hitler, is that you? Why is FuhrerDynasty posting? I thought he was IP banned.

This is like saying should we trade Beasley for Duncan, and is exactly the type of logic that helped created the rookie salary cap.

Only in the world of sports (and maybe the dotcom world back in early 2000) is a sure thing < potential. Rondo has pretty much reached his potential by playing in a system that is perfect for him. The Celtics play a brand of quick, pressuring defense that works to his strengths, and his offensive responsibilities are minimized due to the pressure given to the Big 3.

Rajon can't finish like Parker, he can't pass like Parker, and he can't even shoot like Parker. Why would you trade for a player with a maximum upside that is less than a current Parker with no guarantee that said player could ever reach it?

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Originally Posted by ambchang

Rajon can't finish like Parker, he can't pass like Parker, and he can't even shoot like Parker. Why would you trade for a player with a maximum upside that is less than a current Parker with no guarantee that said player could ever reach it?

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Rondo can barely shoot like Oberto, much less Parker. The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Rondo can barely shoot like Oberto, much less Parker. The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

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i couldn't agree more with you about Parker being disgustingly underrated here.

but honestly, i think all the posters have made it very clear what they thought about Tony for Rondo. i don't even understand where the OP wants to go.

and when rondo's contract will be revaluated (in one or two year i think), this trade would look even more ridiculous.

A lot of the reasons Parker were underrated was, believe it or, because of his earlier perceived potential.

When he first came into the league, Parker couldn't shoot, he couldn't pass very well, he couldn't run the offense very well. The fact that he was the major scrapegoat in 2004 doesn't help, and the perception that Claxton has to save his butt in 03 Finals, and Kerr saving his butt in 03 vs. Mavs makes it even worse.

People refused to admit that times have changed. Parker is now a very good shooter (not great, but good enough to hurt other teams and open up his drives); he runs the offense very well; his defense, though not top-notch, is at least above average; and he can still drive and finish with the best of them.

Parker is without a doubt a top 5 point guard in the game today, possibly top 3. He can carry a team for stretches, and is actually the closest thing to Isiah Thomas.

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

Don't know if theoretical trade threads are frowned upon or not, but I was watching the Celtics game tonight and listening to them talk about how good Rondo is.

And I agree, so would you trade or approve of a trade of Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo, straight up?

My thoughts:

Rondo's younger and cheaper and likely to get better.

But Parker is a championship-winning stud who's playing the best ball of his career right now.

I would be in favor of it, though I think its an incredibly close argument.

In posing the question, I'm considering it not just as a "who's better?" argument but who you would rather have as a franchise, including age, salary, prospects for improvement, etc.

What do you think?

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As much as Parker drives me insane this is a really silly question.

Why would you trade the second or third best PG a top 20 in the league for an overated player like Rondo ?

No, I wouldn`t

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Rondo can barely shoot like Oberto, much less Parker. The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

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Both the Ray Allen and Garnett trades were held up because those teams wanted Rondo and Ainge refused to give him up even if it meant sinking the deals.


Parker vs. Rondo this year:

All stats are Per 36 minutes:

Points: Parker 22.7, Rondo 12.7
FT% Parker .802, Rondo .643

FG% Rondo .506, Parker .491
eFG% Rondo .517, Parker .499
3pt% Rondo .325, Parker .315 (neither shoot many)
Rebs Rondo 5.7, Parker 3.1
Asts Rondo 9.1, Parker 7.2
Steals Rondo 2.0, Parker 0.9
Defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) Rondo 101, Parker 107

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

Age: Parker almost 27, Rondo just turned 23.

why r there always too many ignorant bastas ?

No me gusta!

Yes of course

Parker for Rondo
Ginobili for Ronny Brewer
Duncan for Bargnani

... and we can start a dynasty with younger players :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by ambchang

A lot of the reasons Parker were underrated was, believe it or, because of his earlier perceived potential.

When he first came into the league, Parker couldn't shoot, he couldn't pass very well, he couldn't run the offense very well. The fact that he was the major scrapegoat in 2004 doesn't help, and the perception that Claxton has to save his butt in 03 Finals, and Kerr saving his butt in 03 vs. Mavs makes it even worse.

People refused to admit that times have changed. Parker is now a very good shooter (not great, but good enough to hurt other teams and open up his drives); he runs the offense very well; his defense, though not top-notch, is at least above average; and he can still drive and finish with the best of them.

Parker is without a doubt a top 5 point guard in the game today, possibly top 3. He can carry a team for stretches, and is actually the closest thing to Isiah Thomas.

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+1
People tend to forget that Parker was younger in 2004 than Hill is now.

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Originally Posted by Gant

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

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That's like saying that Garnett only scores more than Oberto because he gets more shots (Fab is shooting 80 points higher from the floor).

Fab & Rondo take very few contested shots, and have very limited range - so they SHOULD shoot higher percentages than most of their counterparts. With his shot selection, if Rondo was shooting 45% from the floor - that would be god awful.

There's not a GM, coach, scout, or analyst on the entire planet that thinks Rondo is in the same stratosphere offensively as Parker.

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Originally Posted by Gant

Both the Ray Allen and Garnett trades were held up because those teams wanted Rondo and Ainge refused to give him up even if it meant sinking the deals.


Parker vs. Rondo this year:

All stats are Per 36 minutes:

Points: Parker 22.7, Rondo 12.7
FT% Parker .802, Rondo .643

FG% Rondo .506, Parker .491
eFG% Rondo .517, Parker .499
3pt% Rondo .325, Parker .315 (neither shoot many)
Rebs Rondo 5.7, Parker 3.1
Asts Rondo 9.1, Parker 7.2
Steals Rondo 2.0, Parker 0.9
Defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) Rondo 101, Parker 107

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

Age: Parker almost 27, Rondo just turned 23.

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Rondo is the fourth scoring option. Parker is the first or second on most nights and opposing defenses are usually focused on keeping Tony out of the paint, probably much more than Rondo.

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Originally Posted by Gant

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

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Sometimes these kind of comparaisons are lame.
Regarding the scoring, Rondo has no responsability for the scoring it's easier when you have the luxury of selecting your shoots and not having the scoring responsability on your back (I'm sure KT has a better FG% than TP and Rondo, so KT>TP and Rondo??). I would like to see what would be the FG% of Rondo if he should take 20 shoot per game and lead the box score for his team.

Much better defender ??? maybe a slightly better defender during RS surely not when it counts in PO.

Rebounder. ok

Passer. Well in this case for SA it's quite complicated to have good apg stat : you don't assist Tim, Tim creates his own shoot. Pierce is more a catch and shoot player. Besides as Rondo has no scoring responsability his focus is passing the ball not feeding the box score.

Globally TP is a YOUNG all star, MVP finals, 3 rings and has also demonstrated that he can win games without Manu and even without Tim, Rondo is far far far away of TP level. No doubt that Rondo has a bright future but now it's really premature to compare.

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Originally Posted by Bartleby

Rondo is the fourth scoring option. Parker is the first or second on most nights and opposing defenses are usually focused on keeping Tony out of the paint, probably much more than Rondo.

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When Rondo is the second option he does what he did last night. He can score in a very similar fashion to Parker- slash and burn.

You can't penalize a guy for deciding it's a good idea to pass to Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

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Originally Posted by Gant

When Rondo is the second option he does what he did last night. He can score in a very similar fashion to Parker- slash and burn.

You can't penalize a guy for deciding it's a good idea to pass to Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

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tony carried the spurs and won some games without manu and duncan, i don't think rondo can do that.

As overrated as I think Parker is.....THIS THREAD SUCKS!!!