Using Ginobili as an excuse has grown tiresome.
This team needs a lot more than just health to get anywhere.
Inexcusable to choke that many FT's away at home.
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Using Ginobili as an excuse has grown tiresome.
This team needs a lot more than just health to get anywhere.
Inexcusable to choke that many FT's away at home.
Whatever, Lakers fan.
Agreed...I wish there was still time to tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
lol...just find a new team. Both of you.
you weak ass Spurs fans suck
these damn players get MILLIONS and they cant make their freethrows!!! GRRRRRR
it happens yeahhh
cmon spurs.
but yeah they do make millions
ginobili has become tiresome
2 weeks turns into 2 months
what a puss
if he were american, he would get so much shit, people would ridicule him like no other, but because hes a fairyass argentine he gets a pass over and over and over again
makes me sick
Don't understand why you think being Argentine has anything to do with getting a free pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
if he were american he would be a fucking joke, a punchline of fragility and inconsistancy
his "european flair, helterskelter style" and shit, playing for his country while fucking his ankle, skin color, all thats in his favor
sad but true
not a lot of media types like to pile on the foreigner
While I agree the Spurs failing to seal the deal is lame, Spurs fans should give credit to Boston. They played a gritty second half, and looked more determined to stay in the game, and it eventually cost us (with that Big Baby shot. :lol)
Rondo ran the offense really well to keep Boston within striking distance.
Spurs didn't want it tonight. Boston didn't want it either but they wanted it more than us.
I agree and I so fucking tired of Jay Howard talking about him...Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
yeah, a reckless player is great for the Spurs.
If it wasn't for him, the Spurs would have 5 rings.
Why don't you get on Shaq and Garnett and Kobe and those fucking pussies for always skipping the Olympics. I would have liked to have seen how they would have dealt with a long NBA season after playing that many games.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
Guys like Garnett were too scared to go to Athens.
You just wouldn't be mookie if you didn't post before thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
Ginobili would have played several games ago if it was up to him. Pop is holding him out. I don't even think that one is debateable.
No sense in glossing this one over. Whether it was a choke, a lack of focus, or mental weakness, the Celts received a late St. Patrick's day present with a gold bow from the Spurs.
Wow, retarded post overload.
no dude, the spurs just suck. they aren't very good. tim, tony, all of them... Pop has his head up his ass also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
they didn't deserve to win
Although I get just as peeved as anyone regarding missed free throws, that last blocking foul by Pierce on Parker could have easily been called a charge.
That said, the Celtics played their butts off this game and the Spurs did not match their effort.
However, the Ginobili factor cannot be discounted. SA beat Boston IN Boston with both a healthy Gino and KG. No excuses, just facts.
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Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
No, not really. You sound like an angry teenager. "spurs just suck" isn't accurate when the Spurs played great defense all night, except for Matt Bonner. No wonder Kobe scored 81. Matt was in the play on about 60 of those points.
No, this game was played well defensively by the Spurs but their mistakes and missed shots, particularly in winning time, were just a gift to Boston.
hey, watch the game... seriously... the spurs haven't played well in a while.. I am not just talking about tonight... this team sucks. period. They can't shoot, they can't play offense, they don't help each other...parker gets the ball... everyone goes to their favorite spot and he has to do everything.. tim duncan is a joke. Pop has no sense of urgency... he held duncan out until 5 minutes left in the game... yeah, that worked.. Big Baby schooled his ass. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
Spurs suck. Wake up.
This loss was not a big deal...we just missed our free throws. We're still 2nd in the West...what's the big deal? Because I don't see it. As usual people whining over a regular season game, not much has changed in the last couple of years.
type www.yahoo.comQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursDynasty
click on sports.
click on nba
click on standings
count how many games there are between the 2nd seed and the 7th seed and ask yourself what's a big deal.
Then, try and figure out how many 6, 7, 8th seeds have won shit?
It's a big deal.
I'd say setting 400-500 screens a game, a lot of them for Parker...plus playing Spurs' defense is helping each other. This game and the Thunder game were just mental melt-downs. Sure, they aren't shooting 3s well lately but defense and limited turnovers win games, particularly down the stretch. The Spurs even got some cooperation from the officials in the last 3 minutes...but they just looked opportunity in the face and gave it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
Bruce Bowen...my hat goes off to you. You deserved better tonight.
You're wrong, you're looking for a ray of sunshine and there isn't any.. yeah, the spurs did what you said, but it was a HOME game... that shit may work on the road, but in your bldg, your fans, you come out and kick ass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
this team is playing like a limpdick trying to get a nut...it ain't gonna work..
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
The night is not so bad after all.
We know Manu will come back soon, Gooden is bringing what we are expecting so far, Bruce showed tonite that he can be again a last time the 4th element of the big 3, Hill demonstrated again all his talent and TP is definately better than last year.
Didn't we go thru the players are to old routine last year to? :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step
That pretty much sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by slayermin
Spurs DID want it tonight, the defense was a clear indication..we were playing a great defensive team with an injured Duncan and without our offensive spark..tough to score..
this is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen, but I wouldn't expect any different from Amuseddaysleeper..I also don't expect any different from guys like mexicanjunior and Texas2Step..these guys are all idiots that use no logic or knowledge in their posts..
I find it laughable that somebody would give up on our season due to a loss where we missed 6 FTs in clutch time..something you'll NEVER see in an NBA game again..not to mention it was against the defending champs..
apparently these people forgot that we beat a healthy Celtics team on the road not too long ago..
I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Yes, calling this loss "pathetic' was stupid. Missing 6 ft's is not pathetic. OKQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
We did beat a healthy Celtics, I never discounted that, the thing is this loss stings and people vent.
Deal with it.
Simple solution -- retire those hideous "Los Spurs" jerseys.
How do you take the classiest top in the league and turn it in to that with one small addition? :rolleyes
And what is the team's record in those rags? The defenders of the Alamo had a higher winning percentage. :wow
MAN....you forgot to put the word "man" at the end of that last sentence. It makes for a more dramatic effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step
NOW YOU GUYS BREAK IT UP OR ELSE!!!
yes..we are old, Duncan sucks and gets outplayed by everybody, we don't have another big man next to him..yet we're #2 in the West and a consensus top 4 contender by the majority of people, despite major injuries to our 3 best players, and constant changes to the roster..
how did that happen?..just curious..
Those facts actually make this loss even more pathetic. The fact is that the Celtics laid a big fat turd out there in the first half and instead of getting up double digits, we play sloppy and lose a double digit lead...TWICE! We lost the game in the first half, not the 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Btw watching Tim get bullied around by Perkins and give nothing back was just depressing. Tim used to annihilate guys who pissed him off. Now...nothing.
Whatever the excuse, missing 6 straight FTs, down the stretch, is inexcusable for a championship-caliber ballgame. Both teams were injury-plagued. Effort was there. The team worked hard to put themseleves in a position to win a game against the defending champions, and they fart away the opportunity in the final minutes. It's totally unexplainable.
This loss and the OKC road loss are very troublesome.
Like others have said in this thread, the Spurs are simply too long in the tooth to win a title anymore. People use injuries as an excuse, but THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE OLD and your body's had the wear and tear of all those playoff runs. It's time for them to rebuild...
You're dumbQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursDynasty
Do you think Bonner will start in the playoffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
When he doesn't hit his shot he's useless and that what' happening now.
I'd like to see TD and Gooden starting with Thomas as the 1st big off the bench and Bonner and Oberto playing depending on match ups
SenorSpur, you were always one of my favorites on here :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Bonner was 50% from the field, 3-6 overallQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
He did have 7 rebounds, 6 defensive, and a blocked shot, same a gooden with fewer fouls, not really useless.
It is Finley that is the one that needs less time on floor.
:tu Makes me sick. Seriously...when you lose by 3 points, how can you say that a 20 point a game scorer doesn't matter? That's ignorant. And yes, they had no focus at the end of that game, but Manu gives us that focus..and that fire. EVERY player on the court plays better with Manu in the game..it's one of the things he brings to the Spurs. It's been so long since we've seen him, I think some of you people have forgotten that.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
:tu Coaching, baby..coaching. Pop knows what players fit into the system, and he integrates them perfectly. Mason, Hill, Tony, Manu. People looked at these signings and wondered what we were doing. Hmm...maybe he's just intelligent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
no really, it's time to stop blaming manu. the rockets are creeping up on the spurs and they're missing t-mac, yao (off and on) and shane battier's had some trouble and look at them!!! bout to take the 2 seed. i still believe in SA but really, they gotta put something together
no you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by leonard
hahahahahaha. i agree, that 'los spurs' thing is fucking retarded as hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Russ
Yes, because the Spurs seem to be getting off to good starts with him in there. The Spurs had double-digit leads in the first quarters in OKC and at home against Boston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
The problem with Matt comes later in the 2nd half when he isn't hitting, nor getting his shot and he cannot counter-balance his soft defense. His defense on KG was very weak and uncontesting. His slowness to cross-match in transition led to a very easy 3-pointer by Allen after a Mason miss.
Pop is still experimenting. With the injuries and the Gooden addition, Pop's had to take a look to see what he has...even as late as it is in the season. The starters are fine. We all just want to see 9 guys who can play tough defense and execute offensively in the 3rd and 4th quarters. SPAM.:spam:
The sentiment is mutual, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
It's not disloyal for any fan to express concern about the state this team finds itself in right now. There are a myriad of potential issues that are apparent and it's best not to ignore any of them. Among them are notorious scoring droughts, questionable health of a couple of key players, and their heavy reliance on 3-pt shooting.
The 3-pt shot is a great weapon to have, but total dependency on it, especially now with Duncan laboring, is a big concern. Opposing teams have caught on and are forcing the Spurs shooters off the arc and into driving the ball to the basket. On Friday night, we saw what happens when those shots don't fall. The normal bailout is to get to the line, and even that didn't work in the waning moments of the game.
It's fair to hope that the team will be inspired once Manu returns, but it's also fair to wonder whether they have taken a dramatic fall off the "age" cliff. The idea is to play your best basketball and "streak" into the playoffs. The Spurs are not there yet. There's not much time left. Let's hope they can get it together.
I could go with that SpursBrazil. Sometimes you could even start Thomas and bring Gooden off the bench depending on the match up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
Bonner really is getting useless out there.
Here is 3 people I think need their minutes limited a little bit if they are not producing - Matt Bonner, Roger Mason Jr, Michael Finley.
Almost everyone else can do something else when they are not scoring. George Hill can play defense and rebound, Bruce can play defense, Fab can play defense and rebound, but those other three guys that I mentioned can become a liability out there if they are not scoring, so I really think they need their minutes limited depending on how they are playing.
That is really all Pop has to do. If they are not producing, limit their minutes and I think we'll see an improvement.
Matt Bonner is usually useless in the second half when the game is up for grabs. If Pop wants to keep starting him I guess that is OK IF we keep getting off to good starts, but like I mentioned Matt Bonner is someone you need to limit his minutes if he is not producing. You can always play him less in the second half if he's not bringing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherylsteele
Do you agree with what I said in my post above about limiting his minutes if he is not producing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
You can still start him if you want, but if he's not producing cut back his minutes and don't play him much in the second half.
The whole team is just in a funk from 3 and I'm sure theyll get out of it soon...especially when Manu comes back as well..even if TD is not 100%, other teams have to respect him and D up on him....as well as TP and Manu and even Mason...
some spurs fans are pathetic.
they know who they are . . .
some spurs fans are real fans, not just because of one fragile chode
GEEZUS KRISTE!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cherylsteele
Look...comment on Bonner if you watched the game.. I am so tired of you stat newspaper readers... Bonner was fuckin invisible last night... I was there, I saw it with my own eyes... In the course of 30 minutes, yes, he is going to get some stats... Fuck.
Bonner is not the answer... Any coach that gives bonner 30 minutes against the celts, lakers, cavs, magic, hornets or rockets is a fucking idiot.
:pctoss
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Originally Posted by Solid D
They were down by 18 within the first 10 minutes of the Laker game with him in there...
Are you really that fucking stupid? Dude, I really have lost all fucking respect for any opinion you have ever had.. really... your game is shit now...
I might as well put you on ignore... Are you mowing Bonners yard or something?
NBA TEAMS DON'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH PLAYERS LIKE BONNER PLAYING MORE THAN 2 MINUTES UNLESS THEY ARE UP BY 20.
I NEVER said he was the answer. Maybe he should not start but he is an important piece to this Spurs' teamQuote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
I just say he is not totally useless, Finley played nearly identical minutes, and did even less, along with Mason.
Oh and yes I did watch the game.
Just because he is taller than you, from what I here, don't blame him.
I don't put much stock in what you say because you're not objective, you never seem to like anything the Spurs ever do, no matter what.
The excuse making by some on here is getting tiring. The worst part is the attitude of a lot of fans on here is the same of a lot of our front office. I'm glad I enjoyed the Spurs title run while it lasted...because this franchise is going to become the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA very VERY soon.
You are starting to sound like an immature troll, Sequ. You are better than this...I mean as a human being, you are better than this obviously, but as a personality...you are better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
First of all, I was fairly critical of Bonner's defense in this entire thread. Secondly, what I'm saying is truthful about the starting lineup being fine. It's the finishing lineup that needs work and that's what Pop and his staff are experimenting with.
Secondly, the past four games the Spurs had leads when Bonner went out against Boston (7), Minn (3), OKC (4) and were basically even (10-11) versus Houston but then Matt came back in, got 7 rebounds for the 1st half and the Spurs led by 4 when he went out after his 2nd stint.
All year, the Spurs have been fine most of the games early-on, particularly with their starters. You picked the Lakers game and said the Lakers were up by 18 when Bonner went out, when actually it was 14 points (23-9), but it wasn't really Bonner's fault per se. His man, Odom, scored 3 points and Gasol 2 while Fisher, Kobe and Ariza scored 18. All the starters did poorly to start that particular game. If you want to use one game, then what about the 1st Boston game when Bonner went for 16 points in the first half?
The starters aren't the problem with the Spurs. It's getting the right mix of guys to finish games, particularly with the injury situation.
Saying the Spurs suck just doesn't cut it considering the experimentation with non-injured players that is going on. I'm all for sitting Matt in the key stretches of games for defensive reasons, as I am with Finley also.
Get a better argument. Behind the facade, I know you really do have one.
WTF is a troll? I am dead serious when it comes to Matt Bonner. Sorry dude, I just don't see it and I am wearing a Spurs shirt right now. It's called reality. Matt Bonner is not championship caliber talent.
Stop throwing stupid statistics that don't mean jack when it comes to being a contender. Matt Bonner doesn't help in any category.
Matt dropping 3s in Boston was a one trick pony game.. Period. Why didn't he get invited to the allstar festivities? Is that in your statbook?
The Spurs have sucked ass this entire month, they got smoked against Cleveland, LA and Boston... Lost to OKC.
Keep on sucking that Pop bone holmes... Just keep on....
Troll this.
Matt Bonner guarded Kevin Garnett who could barely run and he scored at will on his ass. Spurs lead......gone...
Watch a game Solid D. Are you still a Spurs fan?
Now you are just parroting what I said about Bonner's defense on KG. I'm now convinced you are just arguing to argue. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
I believe 2007 was the turning point. We haven't improved since then and everyone's getting older.
To be honest, I couldn't believe we won it that year. Dallas had our number, and we're lucky they got knocked off.
Once the euphoria of another title died down, I felt there should be a sense of urgency about improving the team. Our deficiencies were obvious, but we made some dubious decisions and now we're paying the price for our complacency.
Sequ knows of what he speaks. He's just saying that Matt Bonner has no business being on the court with a championship caliber team. I agree 100%.
I second (or third) that. "and now the starting lineup for your Western Conference Champion San Antonio Spurs...Starting at Center, out of Florida, MATT BONNER?????" LMAO, that's not even conceivable in a dream sequence. Have you seen how he's played against the Lakers and other good teams (that one boston game notwithstanding)?Quote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
Can't argue that. The Spurs certainly made valiant attempts to get younger this past offseason. The additions of Hill and Mason have helped some. However with Ian having been injured all season, Hairston being a late season call-up and having only gotten spot duty, and Splitter and Gist being across the pond, these have all hurt the presumed improved skill and depth of this roster. Unfortunately, the additions they did make simply not been sufficient enough to offset injury and the general erosion of of talent and skill that have been realized this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown
During last years playoffs, we saw how the Spurs struggled mightily with the youth and quickness of the Hornets. It took a collosal effort and their veteran experience to outlast them in a grueling 7-game series. We saw again how they struggled to match the length, athleticism and size of the Fakers, where the Spurs were routinely outquicked, outhustled and outrebounded, until they fell in 5 games. With several a rash of injuries and questions remaining unanswered about this current roster, it appears that the Spurs could very well struggle to, once again, match up with the Fakers for conference supremacy in this years playoffs.
I've longed feared that the Spurs would wait too long to begin integrating the next core of young depth. I agree the process probably should have started sooner than this past offseason. Especially when you consider it takes 1-2 seasons for players to fully integrate and get comfortable in the Spurs system. As I always say, the time to get fuel is not when your tank hits "E" and you're on the side of the road out of gas. We'll see if this how much gas this team has left for this years playoff run.
Sure, 'cause we would have beaten Detroit in 2005 without Manu :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
Without Manu we'd have two championships at most.
so that means he isnt hurt and hasnt totally fucked us in 2006, 2008 and 2009Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
No, that means that without Ginobili the Spurs wouldn't have won the championship on 05 and most likely neither the one on 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
And in 2006 and 2008 is also very likely that we wouldn't have got where we did without him.
Aren't you the one that rips on Ginobili at every opportunity given his current injury?Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
I like Tim Duncan he's one of my favorite players. "The Big Fundamental" suits him well. It's sad that the spurs FO has paired players like Bonner and Oberto next to him. :nope
2006 - yes he made a terible mistake against Dirk. We all believe that if he doesn't foul Dirk then we take the title that year, too. I don't see anyway the the Heat can stay with us that year. So if you want to say he "f**ked" the Spurs then that is a legitimate statement but a little harsh considering that his contributions were vital to getting the Spurs in position to win it all. Nobody's perfect and you can't win all the time. Yeah I'm disapointed that we didn't win in 2006 and I do blame Manu for not following Pop's instructions but it happens. Don't like it but I deal with it. Manu said the same the following year when he took responsibility for them not getting to the WCF if not the Finals that year. IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
2008 - he gets injured and can't perform up to his standards in the POs. How can anyone state that as having "f**ked" the Spurs is beyond comprehension. Sports = injuries. Stuff happens.
2009 - looks like he may be breaking down due to his style of play. Could anyone on this board state that we would be better off if we never had him on the team? Or that we should have traded him a couple of years ago since many saw this coming and therefore the FO and Pop should have, too?
Agreed. Sometimes I think people on the board get a little out of perspective. But that's normal since we're all fans of the Spurs and passionate about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Now what's the excuse?
Your swollen vagina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
I knew it.Quote:
Originally Posted by __JaG__
Can't beat anyone these days!!!!!!!!!!!!
at least duncan had a good game.
True, he showed up big time todayQuote:
Originally Posted by new_N_town
not really:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by new_N_town
Finley, Mason, final play from TP, who cares, we suckQuote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by WalterBenitez
This loss really sucks :bang:bang:bang
It's clear this team is simply not ready for the playoffs. We've completely lost our ability to execute in crunch time... even at home. Truly pathetic.
If the Spurs really want to get better here is what they need to do. Have a red phone to the Rockets and Daryl Morey. If that phone ever rings. DONT ANSWER IT UNDER ANY COSTS. Morey will screw you for 5 bucks and convince you to do it for a dollar and we'll end up with another great Spurs prospect. LOL
So painful and so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indazone
not really..Scola doesn't really help us..he's undersized and soft..he didn't really do anything special tonight, Kurt Thomas was good enough..our lack of a big is due to lack of shot blocking next to Duncan, nothing else..Scola doesn't do anything special to help, although he's a good player..
these 2 losses definitely suck..obviously any loss sucks when the team SHOULD have won, but choked..
I'm not worried though..this system is completely centered around 3 guys..Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili..right now, we're missing one of these guys..not only does that rob us from Manu's scoring and playmaking, but it forces others like Roger Mason to play a role that they aren't accustomed to, and wouldn't have the same responsibilities if Manu was in the lineup..
our system is based on our big 3 making plays for the role players and allowing them to shoot open shots and play their roles..without Manu, we're forced to see Mason handle the ball more, which has been horrible for us..it has also hurt our offense a lot, especially with Duncan being hurt..
I guess we can write this one off due to Manu's injury too? :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
That's what the Spurs (and every team generally) needs are good players. Scola needn't be special to help/fit in with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Thomas has been decent recently, but offensively he's limited mainly to jumpers. He's not a banger inside who's going to draw attention and fouls from the opponent.
Bonner is not starter material obviously. Scola could start on many NBA teams.
Spurs passed on Scola and no we're stuck with Bonner, Thomas and Oberto? You could make an argument that Bonner and Oberto don't even belong in the league.
I believe the Spurs FO might have become drunk with success and got too cute. The Scola trade was an epic fail.
Bonner just stinks. He should be on the bench. His shots are not even falling now so he is worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
someone has toQuote:
Aren't you the one that rips on Ginobili at every opportunity given his current injury?
it could be 2012, manus missing 76 games and some of yall would still eat manus smegma on toast
fragility, some people have it, some dont.
its a negative quality
I guess you must have posted this when Matt was missing. Oh well, that's basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
so disgusting, but I legitimately spit out my cereal from laughing when i read this:lmao
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Originally Posted by mexicanjunior
Tankers, Pop firing squads, and weak band wagon fans, get exposed tonight!
pathetic posts for a pathetic topic!Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
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Originally Posted by mookie2001
A REAL American would play through a stress fracture and a broken leg, eh?