Spurs Reassign Hairston To Austin

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Originally Posted by timvp

Per 40 minutes stats:

Malik Hairston
12.9 points
7.2 rebounds
3.4 assists

Ime Udoka
11.6 points
7.0 rebounds
2.1 assists

Hopefully Pop gives Hairston a chance next year. Going with Udoka over Hairston isn't a horrible decision just based on Udoka's experience. But going forward, Hairston could do everything Udoka can do and more.

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Yeah, it's not a horrible decision to go with Udoka, but it's one lacking upside.

I like Udoka's professionalism, toughness, and physicality, but I just haven't seen enough from him to see him playing a significant enough role against the better teams.

Hairston probably couldn't either, at least this year, but then again... He might've.

Those per numbers are pretty comparable, but I think Malik's limited minutes make them a little misleading.

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But I do agree with Ex that he needs a jumper. He should be able to develop at least a corner three-pointer. He shot well in college and at Austin so it's definitely possible. But without an outside jumper, I don't think he'd fit Pop's vision of the offense.

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I was pretty skeptical at him being the 3-point threat Pop generally looks for, but Chump seemed to think he was progressing quite nicely with the Toro's IIRC.

I wouldn't put anything passed this kid, or say that he couldn't do anything on the basketball court, but I'd be pretty disappointed in Pop if he couldn't find a way to utilize a player with the amount of talent and the type of unique skill-set he possesses, all because he wasn't the ideal 3-point shooter.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I guess I'm "completely missing the message" then, because he has to be able to hit enough jumpers to keep his man from sitting in Tim's lap on defense. That's a requirement for guards and wings on the Spurs.

I'll go out on a limb and say that it's not even a "nice to have" trait. If he doesn't come out of summer league with a nice 18-20 footer, he doesn't make the club next year.

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Maybe we should send Finley to the D-League to work on his jumper?

Finley hits 42% of his three pointers in the NBA. I don't exactly know what more should be expected from him.

Malik hits 0% in the NBA. He shoots them a lot better in the D-League, but not enough of them have come in the normal course of the game to call him reliable there. He does enough things well to keep him on the team, but I don't see a way around his developing a jump shot in order to stick.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Johnson was out of shape and pretty much just taking up space. They could sure use another big man if Eric Dawson is going to be out an extended time.

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Ian Mahinmi?

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Originally Posted by VI_Massive

I think he's a bit too slow laterally to make up for his lack of size. Plus he doesn't have a lot of length to help compensate.

I like the guy a lot, I really do, but with Manu, Mason, Hill, Bowen, and Finley all on the payroll for next season (Finley with a qualifying offer) and Udoka looking to be more in Pop's favor, I just don't see a spot for a small wing player.

Instead, I'd like to see us go after a true 3 via trade or something. Gist and Pops are both undersized 4s and maybe they have the quickness to guard a 3, but I'm not sure.

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I could see Hairston take Bowen's mins in regular season next year.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Finley hits 42% of his three pointers in the NBA. I don't exactly know what more should be expected from him.

Malik hits 0% in the NBA. He shoots them a lot better in the D-League, but not enough of them have come in the normal course of the game to call him reliable there. He does enough things well to keep him on the team, but I don't see a way around his developing a jump shot in order to stick.

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Chump, there are plenty of guys who do not have jump shots that stick in the NBA. If he can keep up his rebounding, finishing at the rim, attacking off the dribble and defense, he can stick without becoming a reliable jump shooter imo.

Obviously, being able to knock down 3's at anything higher than 40% would be a huge bonus, but he does have some off the dribble moves.

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Originally Posted by tav1

Ian Mahinmi?

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I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Chump, there are plenty of guys who do not have jump shots that stick in the NBA. If he can keep up his rebounding, finishing at the rim, attacking off the dribble and defense, he can stick without becoming a reliable jump shooter imo.

Obviously, being able to knock down 3's at anything higher than 40% would be a huge bonus, but he does have some off the dribble moves.

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He needs to hit them at a higher rate than 0% to keep people from doublling off of him.

Hey chump,
what do you think so far about demarcus nelson? is he a sg or a pg and does he have an NBA future?

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Originally Posted by yavozerb

Hey chump,
what do you think so far about demarcus nelson? is he a sg or a pg and does he have an NBA future?

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He's a shooting guard training to be a combo guard. He's actually like a smaller Hairston as far as his talents and shortcomings go. He's very good at penetrating and defending, but he needs to learn to shoot and run the point. It's too bad that he joined the team so late because it's nearly impossible to develop him at the point guard spot with all the roster turmoil and pressure to win games now. As it is Marcus Williams is playing a ton of point forward.

Hairston's return may or may not help Nelson. A "best five" lineup right now would probably be Squeaky/Nelson/Hairston/Marcus/Jones, but the outside shooting of that group would be a little streaky. I like Nelson and would like to see him on the Spurs' summer league team. He could be another George Hill with a little work; he's got almost exactly the same measurements.

Thanks for the rundown chump...This group is definatly geared to winning this year!!

If Pop lets Udoka run the offense some down the stretch and into the playoffs, and if it pays off, the decision to utilize him over Hairston suddenly looks brilliant.

Malik is playing tonight against the Sioux Falls Skyforce, which have Kasib Powell, Bobby Jones, CJ Giles and a couple of Bobcat assignees.

Live link:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live...rce_071102.asx

Good to see Dawson back. Nelson starts at the point.

I think its definitely a good option to stick him in Austin for now and get something going next year
who knows who will leave and a spot might open for him in the solid rotation

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Chump, there are plenty of guys who do not have jump shots that stick in the NBA. If he can keep up his rebounding, finishing at the rim, attacking off the dribble and defense, he can stick without becoming a reliable jump shooter imo.

Obviously, being able to knock down 3's at anything higher than 40% would be a huge bonus, but he does have some off the dribble moves.

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I'll go out on a limb and say that 3/4 of ALL people in the NBA, jumper or not, aren't Spurs material.

As for attacking off the dribble, if they know you have no jumper, they back off and cut off your angle of attack. Being able to do that stuff in college or the d-league doesn't necessarily translate into doing in in the NBA. It's like being a pitcher in AAA ball. You can get by with a good fastball...until you get promoted into the Majors. MLB players need a curveball, or to be able to hit one. NBA wings and guards need a reliable jumper. Most of those hypothetical players you mentioned that stuck without one are probably bigs. On some teams, you can get away with that, since perhaps your offense isn't post based.

That's actually a good thing!!!...They could really use the help down there in Austin, they have been losing a whole lot of games lately..Maybe they will get back on track?....

sorry for the bump but is the first one i found looking for a Hairston thread..

I think he can defend better than Udoka...

seriously...