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Sorry sons, but its true.
He just may be doing the most with the least
He sure as hell is making it look easy. He does get sloppy at times but the kid is the best in the paint point guard to have ever played the game.
Yeah, Tim and Manu are very hard too work with. :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by ECZ
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But Tony has stepped up BIG TIME with all the injuries and is playing out of his mind this year. I'm glad that he's finally getting the national recognition for being the great player that he is.
best shooting guard playing point.
TP is the man right now.Dare we start mvp chants ?
man he exploded tonight! wait... what happened to timmy tonight?
best layuping guard playing point
before all the injuries, i didnt think TP could carry a team like CP3 and DWILL but i was wrong, very very wrong. There is no PG out there that i would want on the spurs other than parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fermixalot
your sig is hilarious btw. FOTC is the shit.
talk about carrying a team. TP beasted out tonight...it was fun to watch.
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Originally Posted by mugen
the best point guard in attacking the opposing team's interior defense.
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Originally Posted by DespЏrado
Sat out for rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by texasmade006
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Originally Posted by cool hand
Doesn't count...he started at center.
But seriously my statement stands. The kid is the best point guard to play in the paint ever. Nobody has ever played the kind of game Tony plays as a PG. Not even Magic, testament to that fact is the way he lead the league for points in the paint for half of a season and still ranks unbelievably high in that category.
Besides Magic had what 6 inches on Parker and finished his career as a PF.
I think it's between TP and CP. TP has the offensive edge, CP definitely with defensive edge. Deron Williams close behind. Nash is still a great PG but over-rated I think. Andre Miller is no doubt the best under-rated point guard in the league.
What position is he at now, regarding points in the paint this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by DespЏrado
rajon rondo says hi
um..no. Point guard who can shoot. You must have forgotten Tony from a couple of years ago before Chip got ahold of him. Couldn't hit water jumping out of a boat. He earned that jump shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by cool hand
Best PG? GTFO
I'll take Paul and D-Will first, thanks.
rondo will never ever come close offensively to parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
I doubt Phil Jackson would. He really likes TP.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Oh and you're the one that can GTFO.
You're welcome...for Tony to take over a game like he did tonight against a good team like Atlanta and pretty much do it himself, that's something else. Spurs are a 2 seed right now despite all the injuries they've had this year...and that's because of Tony...D Will and CP3 are close, but IMO Tony is on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Then go to a Celtics board. If you are that in love with himQuote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
I'll take the pg that has lead his team to the 2nd seed in the westQuote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Rondo couldn't tie Parker's sneakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
You're being a homer and overly emotional after the past 2 nights. TP is an all-star and a top 5 PG, but to call him the best is blind homerismQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
TP is definitely edging in on CP3 for best PG, they are in the same class now. D-Will is good but not at that level.
What did Rondo do against the Hawks last season in the playoffs? His team could have lost that series if Atlanta had home court. It's not the playoffs, but you're reaching a bit TDMVPDPOY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
Rondo is a pretty darn good though I will say that.
He's making it an argument with his performance of late. I think CP3 is better because he has better D and rebounding, but I would say TP and Williams are tied for second.
Um..no. Has nothing to do with being a homer. I've been a hard critic on Parker. But the truth is, he's the best leader at the PG position in the league, IMO. Notice..I said In my OPINION! I guess Laker fan hasn't figured out that just because they believe something it doesn't make it fact. When we're on a scoring drought, it's Tony driving to the hoop making things happen. He's our leader, and there's not another damn PG in the league I'd take over him..but like said..that's my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
you can argue that hes not the best and say he hes in the top 3. but to say that hes only in the top 5 is just blind hatred.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
D Will can't do what Parker did tonight.
He just can't.
Chris Paul can't score as easily as Tony can, but he is a better playmaker. However, that gap in playmaking ability has definitely narrowed as we now see Parker getting 10, 10 , 12 assist nights.
nothing has changed for me 1 CP3 2 TP and 3 DW
Seriously I think if you asked Phil Jackson who he'd take at PG between the 3 Parker would be high up on that list. He's had to really center his defense to account for TP a lot of times because of his penetration. Parker just needs to hit that jumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
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Originally Posted by Mugen
Yep TP is top 3. Saying that he is maybe top 5 is retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Come on Laker fans do you guys watch any other team apart from the Lakers?
:tu Tony is getting his team more and more involved, and has become more balanced in shooting and passing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mavs<Spurs
YES it is!!!! He played magnificent, a truly superstar, best spurs player and certainly the best PG in the NBA. 42 points!! damn!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
His action, his moves, his energy, the way he carries and leads the team, it's really wonderful to watch.
Tony Parker MVP!!!
30 and 10 followed by 42 and 10? Not many PGs can do that...that's straight boss.
But only because Spanoulis plays in Greece :lol
Winning wall.
http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/wallp...90325_1024.jpg
Lol !!! Don't get them started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
That was an amazing game and it's part of a consistent pattern of games that we are seeing from Tony Parker and the fact that he did it without Tim and Manu (essentially) in the Hawks gym (which for that young team makes them much better) makes this even more amazing !
I think the only question is whether Tony is the best pg or the second best (and that would be alone second best) because DeRon Williams as good as he is clearly is not as good as Tony Parker. It seems hard to dispute that.
And it is definitely now a very defensible position to say that Tony Parker is the best point guard in the league.
It is also defensible to say that he is second best, alone.
I don't think it is defensible or makes any sense to argue for anything less.
Obviously, my opinion.
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I haven't been able to find the stats for Points in the paint this year actually. As a team the Spurs rank very low for the season, but that would probably be more due to the fact that we rely to much on the three ball than anything Parker has to do with it.
As for the Celtics and Rondo, Utah and D.Will, and LA and .4 - I don't think there is a team in the league that wouldn't benefit by switching point guards with the Spurs, except perhaps the Hornets.
Every time I feel down I just have to read the Spanoulis-Thread to get happy immediatly :lol It's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukefal
I don't really think of Tony as a PG, he is a scoring guard, and one of the best finishers without question, but as an NBA purist I've gotta go with CP.
But Deron and Tony aren't far behind, and I'm basing this on decision-making and overall impact on the game, offensively and defensively at the position.
Without Manu and with an injured Duncan Parker is playing more like a Paul or Williams type PG with the ball constantly being put in his hands. Parker is entering his prime and given a little more improvement and consistency in his jumper and Spurs using him the way Paul is used by the Hornets the biggest difference between Paul and Parker will be the FTs Paul can get from flopping.
Ranking players throughout the league is pretty pointless. CP3 and a healthy Deron Williams could be classified as better than Parker. Maybe even Billups and Nash if the setting is right.
But I'll gladly settle for having Parker on the Spurs. When he's playing at this level, he's a perfect fit with the rest of the personnel :smokin
Yes..but Spanoulis is just as good as Tony...just ask KBP..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
:lmao:lmao I know what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
pointless? its so much fun! that's the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Fuck Nash, Billups, and Williams. Parker has owned all of them when it counted. CP3 is probably the only player actually better than Parker, and I think Parker still has another level or two he can take his game to after this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
All other users here on Spurstalk know what I mean :lol Except one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
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Originally Posted by Fermixalot
Duncan was in street clothes and we all saw that Manu is pretty rusty right now
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I thought it was Sequ that started the thread..
and every european assist is worth 2 nba assists. same for points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
I know...have you seen my new sig lately? I changed something...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
haha, a 'make your day' thread ay? :P lol I guess that thread and such other threads will be here for a long long time, so you wont have to feel down never never never again!!! :kingQuote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
Right? KBP?
Timvp why the hell would you even come up with Nash's name? Seriously have we not seen enough of his flaws to know that Parker is without a doubt better than him?
Yep...and Ioannis Bourousis is the next Tim Duncan and would own Wilt Chamberlain.Quote:
Originally Posted by VI_Massive
You're right! Now I'm smiling all the day. And nobody knows what's up with me :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bukefal
Yeah, this stretch has pretty much curbstomped the idea that Parker isn't a real point guard or those that said it was lack of point guard skill that kept his assists totals down. Let him get as many touches throughout the game as every other star point guard gets and the results prove Parker is more than legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
28.6 points and 9.2 assists over his last five games. 27.5 points and 8.6 assists over his last ten games. Hopefully when everyone is healthy and Parker's numbers return back to their customary 19 and 6 that the New Age Spurs fans realize the difference in the offense and why Parker isn't going to put up CP3 or DWill type numbers in that setup.
A wonderful sig. But I think there are many quotes to come for your sig :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
I know..but I have to pick and choose..can't go too crazy with sig length..:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
Is there a website to see the stats just for a stretch of games?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I threw two conditions on that statement :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DespЏrado
If the scenario is that you have a running team filled with athletes that can't shoot and the other team has a point guard who isn't a threat offensively, then that might be a scenario in which Nash would be chosen over Parker.
But yeah, Parker has been owning Nash since Parker was a prepubescent.
His quotes are just hilarious for me. You know, I'm from Germany and I follow the games Europe. I feel ashamed to read such a bullshit day in and day out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfan092120
ESPN has the last five. I had to break out the calculator for the last ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
I put TP in Top 5...meaning he could be anywhere from 3-5. Like Spursfan092 said, it's "just my opinion." Chauncey Billups changed the culture in Denver from that of hopeless first-round fodder to darkhorse contender. Rajan Rondo has been HUGE for the C's this year w/ all the injuries they've had--and is an excellent defending and rebounding PG. Mo Williams has been huge for the Cavs (not as good as TP). Andre Miller is another great and seemingly eternally underrated PG. I think this is Tony's best season by far, and at years end sure--he might be #3. CP3 and D-Will are still 1 and 2 tho.
OK, Thanks. I think his last 15 games were really impressives. And his percentage is above 50% in this stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Yeah but everybody is going to forget that and we will come back with the trade TP for Rondo stuff..Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I know..but it's hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michi_Germany
When he's on, he makes his team damn near unbeatable, and his game just keeps getting better every year. Can't say that about any other point guard in the league.
I agree on Andre Miller, I don't understand why there is no love for this guy he is an awsome PG for sure. For the rest I think that TP>DW, anyway he is the best fit for this spur team w/o any doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Can't wait to see him in P&G!
Lol... you're trying to :stirpot:Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMexican
When he has games like this it scares me though. He has a hard time dominating like this against the top tier teams(aka Lakers and Cavs). Lakers always focus on stopping TP and the Cavs seem to be doing the same thing. He needs to be able to change gears and do the other things if we are gonna beat either of these teams in the playoffs.
Pop needs to understand this and scheme accordingly. If ppl are gonna be focused on stopping TP then we need Tim, Manu, and everyone else to take advantage of it.
A little off topic but its been on my mind.
parker is by far the best player in a one on one situation. he will blow right past you, try to plant for a charge and hell just move around you. he tore up bibby tonight and pretty much the whole team
Avery Johnson said earlier tonight that he was 3rd best behind Chris Paul and Deron Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
CP3 and Deron Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TPQuote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Sorry but it's true
yup, it's pretty cut and dry from an outside perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Thomas82
Good thoughts and very legit concerns. Those adjustments need to me made.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
If you realize how grudgingly AJ gives out compliments to the guy who took his job and ended his career as a Spur, you'll realize how good Parker has to actually be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas82
tony parker rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe as PG's they are if we are talking about a PG in the purest sense who runs the team. TP is getting a lot better though in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
As far as who's the best player between say CP, TP, DW, Nash and Billups then I'd say TP is the second best player and very close to CP.
When you figure out how to make the Spurs go when Parker is unable to effectively penetrate the lane, share it with Pop because you'll be the first. Teams that can stop him beat the Spurs in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
Who's the girl with the huge booty in your sig? And why does a cholo like a stick figure asian, I don't get it.:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMexican
lol you said he's maybe top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Avery was also probably looking at it purely from a PG perspective. Also, AJ got supplanted by TP so I'm not sure if he has any hard feelings over it still. Still that is a fair assessment from AJ. Better than top 5.
Where did you come from? One of your comments in the game thread was absolute rubbish. Are you a troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by pic
Parker's better than Williams. Williams defense is rivaled only by Nash's.
u didn't read my last post explaining "top 5." he could be anywhere from 3-5...at times this year i'd put chauncey #3...right now i'd put parker thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/STFU_NOOB.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by pic
Parker has never lost to Paul,Williams, Nash or Kidd in a playoff series - winning is what matter!
:toast Agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
u forgot billups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rummpd
You dumbass, Pepe Lepeu is not the best PG he is perhaps one of the top 10 but not the best...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Sorry sack of shit!
Chris Paul, Williams, Billups, Nash, Kidd are much better PGs than the french punk...
And let's not forget the french punk has always been bailed out by other scrub PG on the spurms during the Finals...
Winning is a team effort, not an individual player effort