Re: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Cat
Fourteen of the 9/11 hijackers made Florida their base of operation, and clustered around two flight schools. What is it about Florida, and these flight schools, that drew them?
Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi paid $28,000 each to Rudi Dekkers’ Huffman Aviation for flight instruction that, the chief instructor of a neighboring school said, was available at dozens of other nearby locations for a fraction of the price. So why did they pay an inflated price to Dekkers? Wally Hilliard is a supposedly-retired, born again insurance executive from the Midwest (motto for his insurance company had been "Hate Sin, Fight Communism, Back the Pack!"), who upon arriving in Florida entered into aviation businesses with an assortment of criminal and covert intelligence elements.
Dekkers and Hilliard had not been in the flight school business before they made the purchase. They paid an inflated price for the school, and did no due diligence before the purchase. They lost millions, but this was apparently not a problem. Charlie Voss, former employee of Dekkers and an Iran/Contra pilot who’d also flown "Northern Alliance guys" in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and who had given Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi a place to stay for a few weeks when they first arrived in Venice Florida: "Rudi’s greedy, and when you’re greedy you can be used for something.... When something doesn’t make obvious business sense, sometimes it’s because things are being done for another reason that doesn’t have a lot to do with dollars and cents. His business did not add up.
12-28-2010
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Parker's link
The strongest theory so far has been the one linked to the World Trade Center building #7- WTC7- that collapsed like a house of cards into its basement at free fall speed of 6.5 seconds.
Did WTC7 even have a basement?
12-28-2010
TDMVPDPOY
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i wonder why wikileaks hasnt leaked docus about this...was it premeditated...
12-28-2010
CosmicCowboy
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I still can't believe this shit keeps coming up. The airplanes/fuel alone were enough to bring the buildings down. You didn't need some complicated "additional explosives" theory...
As soon as I saw the first image maybe 5 minutes after the plane hit I told my partner (in my office with me looking at it on the computer) that the building was coming down. Thats the one big drawback of building with steel. You can spray the beams with fire resistant insulation but the insulation just isn't made to resist something like a plane crashing into them and then the super high temp fire...
The steel gets red and soft and can no longer support the weight of all the floors above it...one starts to sag, then the next, then you have a catastrophic domino failure with the resulting pancaking of floors.
12-28-2010
Sportcamper
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Cosmic-It is really annoying when a poster brings engineering facts & logic to a conspiracy theory thread…
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
I still can't believe this shit keeps coming up. The airplanes/fuel alone were enough to bring the buildings down. You didn't need some complicated "additional explosives" theory...
As soon as I saw the first image maybe 5 minutes after the plane hit I told my partner (in my office with me looking at it on the computer) that the building was coming down. Thats the one big drawback of building with steel. You can spray the beams with fire resistant insulation but the insulation just isn't made to resist something like a plane crashing into them and then the super high temp fire...
The steel gets red and soft and can no longer support the weight of all the floors above it...one starts to sag, then the next, then you have a catastrophic domino failure with the resulting pancaking of floors.
You aren't addressing what they found. The scientists finding nano particles in the WTC dust, I mean.
12-28-2010
CosmicCowboy
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Didn't they use explosives to clear the remaining rubble and demolish damaged structures?
Duh. Not like you are gonna read about that on your "truther" sites, though...
12-28-2010
mouse
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Didn't they use explosives to clear the remaining rubble and demolish damaged structures?
Duh. Not like you are gonna read about that on your "truther" sites, though...
Dude put down the beef jerky and find some shade. I know you love going out on your huge ranch with the sun beaming off your 10 gallon hat but you need to start on page one and work your way here before you try to engage in matters already covered.
the "9/11" dust was collected hours after the collapse / demolition of the buildings. One lady took the dust off her balcony and inside her upstairs luxury downtown condo and it was annualized it contained traces of Active Thermitic Material,
but the hard headed ignorant Bush voters in this forum who believe they evolved from an ape because some opium smoking wannabe hippy found some birds on an island with the same feathers and wrote a book 200 years ago don't want the truth, they want cheap oil and tax breaks and after all those lives were lost they got neither.
12-28-2010
TeyshaBlue
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Originally Posted by Parker2112
You aren't addressing what they found. The scientists finding nano particles in the WTC dust, I mean.
Actual chemical composition of said nano particles, plz.
12-28-2010
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Parker2112
You aren't addressing what they found. The scientists finding nano particles in the WTC dust, I mean.
Did they conclusively rule out the possibility those chips were red paint?
I'd like to see how they did that.
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Did they conclusively rule out the possibility those chips were red paint?
I'd like to see how they did that.
The chips reacted at the expected ignition temps and produced iron...all the trademarks of a thermitic reaction. In addition, the chips were found to be consistent with thermite down to a nano particular level, which could not be the result of the surrounding events (rust, aircraft aluminum, office furniture, aircraft fuel), but were consistent with nano thermite which could only be manufactured by a sophisticated scientific process effective down to a molecular level. Watch the interviews.
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Didn't they use explosives to clear the remaining rubble and demolish damaged structures?
Duh. Not like you are gonna read about that on your "truther" sites, though...
thermite is not an explosive. It is a chemical reaction that takes place at extremely high temps. Its tell-tale signature is that it produces small iron balls (the product of robbing iron oxide of the oxygen molecule). Explosives dont do this. balls like this were found at the scene. Watch the interviews.
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Here is an engineer doing experiments in his back yard to show thermite can cut through steel from a vertical exposure.
very informative about the science
12-28-2010
ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Parker2112
The chips reacted at the expected ignition temps and produced iron...all the trademarks of a thermitic reaction.
Also a trademark of paint.
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In addition, the chips were found to be consistent with thermite down to a nano particular level, which could not be the result of the surrounding events (rust, aircraft aluminum, office furniture, aircraft fuel), but were consistent with nano thermite which could only be manufactured by a sophisticated scientific process effective down to a molecular level. Watch the interviews.
I've seen enough to know they haven't ruled out paint.
And they never actually come up with a believable narrative for putting huge amounts of "nanothermite" at the exact floors hit by the planes and how they stayed in place throughout the impacts and resulting fires.
No need to watch anything posted about this bullshit.
Paint and rust.
12-28-2010
TeyshaBlue
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Parker, there are at least 10 or so thermitic compounds that I'm aware of that can be rendered in this fashion. Do you have any idea which one is being referenced here?
12-28-2010
mouse
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Did they conclusively rule out the possibility those chips were red paint?
I'd like to see how they did that.
No you don't. Your never going to admit you was wrong about 9/11 all these years.
Someone could post an actual video of men planting explosives on the wtc beams and you will be saying.."I would like to hear from the bomb experts involved" "I would like to see a sworn statement from the person taking the video"
Your so much in denial you still don't believe the Hindenburg exploded because it was not filmed in HD.
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Parker, there are at least 10 or so thermitic compounds that I'm aware of that can be rendered in this fashion. Do you have any idea which one is being referenced here?
nano thermite is the one in question...this is not the thermite you can mix up in your kitchen sink. The difference: nano aluminum particles are required, and they are not readily available in large quantities unless you have govt approval.
12-28-2010
TeyshaBlue
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Originally Posted by Parker2112
nano thermite is the one in question...this is not the thermite you can mix up in your kitchen sink. The difference: nano aluminum particles are required, and they are not readily available in large quantities unless you have govt approval.
No, nano thermite is simply a rendering of thermitic compounds, of which there are many. Also, not all of them rely on aluminum...for example, magnesium/teflon is a fairly common nano rendered thermitic compound.
12-28-2010
CosmicCowboy
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Also a trademark of paint.I've seen enough to know they haven't ruled out paint.
And they never actually come up with a believable narrative for putting huge amounts of "nanothermite" at the exact floors hit by the planes and how they stayed in place throughout the impacts and resulting fires.
No need to watch anything posted about this bullshit.
Paint and rust.
:toast
I'm with Chump on this one.
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Also a trademark of paint.I've seen enough to know they haven't ruled out paint.
And they never actually come up with a believable narrative for putting huge amounts of "nanothermite" at the exact floors hit by the planes and how they stayed in place throughout the impacts and resulting fires.
No need to watch anything posted about this bullshit.
Paint and rust.
actually, they have a pretty plausible theory in the interviews and the vid by Jon Cole above.
1: Jon Cole shows that even your run of the mill engineer can use everday thermite to cut steel beams with a little ingenuity. He builds a box which focuses the reaction on the beam in a straight line.
2. The second interview in that post of two interviews talks about how you can add additional chemicals into the nano thermite to reduce the melting temp of the affected steel below its normal properties, making the nano thermite even more effective.
3. One of the interviews references patents on nano thermite held for building demolition.
4. Nano thermite's sig is that the particles are engineered down to a molecular level. Paint is not, nor has ever been, engineered down to a molecular level. This rules out paint.
5. Taking all this into account, the contention that large quantities were needed falls apart.
take a look-see. Unless you prefer to continue with the blind convenient assumptions.
p.s. the nano thermite could be applied in a painted on application.
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Parker, there are at least 10 or so thermitic compounds that I'm aware of that can be rendered in this fashion. Do you have any idea which one is being referenced here?
as far as I know, they are talking about nano aluminum and iron oxide, with potentially other compounds in the mix.
12-28-2010
Parker2112
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Originally Posted by Parker2112
actually, they have a pretty plausible theory in the interviews and the vid by Jon Cole above.
1: Jon Cole shows that even your run of the mill engineer can use everday thermite to cut steel beams with a little ingenuity. He builds a box which focuses the reaction on the beam in a straight line.
2. The second interview in that post of two interviews talks about how you can add additional chemicals into the nano thermite to reduce the melting temp of the affected steel below its normal properties, making the nano thermite even more effective.
3. One of the interviews references patents on nano thermite held for building demolition.
4. Nano thermite's sig is that the particles are engineered down to a molecular level. Paint is not, nor has ever been, engineered down to a molecular level. This rules out paint.
5. Taking all this into account, the contention that large quantities were needed falls apart.
take a look-see. Unless you prefer to continue with the blind convenient assumptions.
1. Factor in the amount of steel beams that would need to be cut. Please show your calculations.
2. Please show where these specific enhancing chemical compounds were found in the 9/11 debris.
3. Patents prove exactly what? I mean, we already know nano thermite actually exists.
4. Please study how paint is manufactured. You'll quickly find out you don't know what you're talking about as molecular formulations for paint have been around for decades.
5. Please show the math that quantifies how much would be needed since you contend that large quantities are not needed.
Examine this phrase. "You don't know what you don't know."
Your assumptions would appear to be quite blind at this point. Questions? Ok, I'm game. Assumptions? Nah...not yet.
12-28-2010
mouse
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If this to you looks like a building collapsing then its going to be an uphill battle to educate many.
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I agree. You know tons more than I do about this topic.
But what you are calling my assumptions are coming straight from the interviews with the scientist and the engineer. Dont ask me to prove their work.
If you want to hear their side of things, give it a listen. If you want to argue technical points with a dumbass on the subject (me), well, I tire easily. lol.
the interviews are interesting. The guys have cred. Give em a shot. or dont. But to continue to argue without being willing to hear the opposition (NOT ME, but the actual scientists), as chump and cc are doing, is pretty arrogant and actually takes away from their cred. I dont know if you are willing to watch or not though.
