***Tea party 2009!***

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Originally Posted by td4mvp21

I like how all of a sudden we live under tyranny, you know in the span of merely 3 months after Bush left office.

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Not utterly without justice, some people think Bush was a tyrant, so what's the diff?

The continuity has been striking. Obama challenged the court that freed the Uighurs and won to keep them locked up; he is fighting to prevent discovery of warrantless wiretapping, and he seeks to maintain Bagram AFB and other secret sites as law-free zones in the GWOT. His DOJ still uses the same legal rationales as Bush and according to Glenn Greenwald, is willing to go even further in some cases.

Like Bush, a war in Asia is an idee fixe with Obama. The objective has not been clearly spelled out, nor has any exit strategy. Looks like nation building. It could take awhile.

On the home front, the mortgage and finance sectors have been socialized. It looks like socialism, but actually, what happened is big finance sucked all the (our, remember fees and interest) wealth out of giant equity bubbles, then threw their insolvency in the taxpayer's lap when their bets went bad. Now they're going to mine the future prosperity of the US taxpayer. It's the only store of wealth left for predatory banks, insurance companies and bank receivers. Our government appears reluctant to manage the problem. I wonder why.

It isn't tyranny yet. But Obama seems to have *handed the keys to the kingdom* to the very firms who ran our economy into the ditch. Scary. The tendency is oligarchy IMO.

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Originally Posted by braeden0613

I hate the fact that Republicans are using this to their advantage, (where was this type of thing when Bush was raping the treasury?) but it's good to see people are organizing against outrageous taxing and spending.

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It riled a few old line fiscal conservatives, but there weren't very many of those in the Bush years. Not in the mainstream of the party. The GOP faithful were quiet as church mice on spending, too.

Plus, the bailout puts all that in the shade.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

It riled a few old line fiscal conservatives, but there weren't very many of those in the Bush years. Not in the mainstream of the party. The GOP faithful were quiet as church mice on spending, too.

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true. here's an interesting article on the subject http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory185.html

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Originally Posted by ballijuana

I'm not going. I don't hate America.

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But you DO hate America, you do.

You and your kind want to change American into a socialistic state, rejecting all ideals that made us the greatest outpost of liberty in the history of the world, one nation under God. You believe in huge government supremacy, thereby rejecting the Declaration. You want the European model here, a model impeades growth, prosperity, and individual liberty to make a better living for yourself. You care not about a person prospering by, and on their own merits(that is, liberty) if it disrupts movement towards a utopian state, you, far left liberals, and Obama want. You want government handouts. You don't want to achive on your own. You're lazy.

Case in point, look at the economic shit storm in California created by liberal beliefs, and look at the economic prosperity that exists in Texas created by conservative beliefs.?

But Im still guessing you want the former.

:lol

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Originally Posted by GaryJohnston

But you DO hate America, you do.

You and your kind want to change American into a socialistic state, rejecting all ideals that made us the greatest outpost of liberty in the history of the world, one nation under God. You believe in huge government supremacy, thereby rejecting the Declaration. You want the European model here, a model impeades growth, prosperity, and individual liberty to make a better living for yourself. You care not about a person prospering by, and on their own merits(that is, liberty) if it disrupts movement towards a utopian state, you, far left liberals, and Obama want. You want government handouts. You don't want to achive on your own. You're lazy.

Case in point, look at the economic shit storm in California created by liberal beliefs, and look at the economic prosperity that exists in Texas created by conservative beliefs.?

But Im still guessing you want the former.

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Did you pay Hannity for that?

I am amazed at the level of denial that exists -- actually cowardice. If you want to be socialist then at least have the balls to say it. Freaking cowards.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

I am amazed at the level of denial that exists -- actually cowardice. If you want to be socialist then at least have the balls to say it. Freaking cowards.

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There are already many elements of socialism in our current government. It's never going to be fully socialist or fully laissez faire.

what the hell are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

There are already many elements of socialism in our current government. It's never going to be fully socialist or fully laissez faire.

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says who ?? the Moron ?

We are a Republic - well "were" a republic.. not a democracy Dung -- soon we will be full on socialist -- at the very least. What is to prevent it

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Originally Posted by implacable44

I am amazed at the level of denial that exists -- actually cowardice. If you want to be socialist then at least have the balls to say it. Freaking cowards.

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I hear the calls from people who escaped from countries like Russia, or former Soviet bloc nations like Poland, and they are frightened to see what is happening in the United States. They say "we already saw this movie - we know how it ends!" And many of them also say they remember their parents denying what was happening until it was too late.

But the one that really got to me was the Cuban immigrant who said he was lucky because he had a place to escape to - the greatest country in the world - The United States. And then he said - but if America fails, where do we have to escape to?

The military is socialist. :)

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Originally Posted by implacable44

says who ?? the Moron ?

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Says anyone who isn't an idiot.

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We are a Republic - well "were" a republic.. not a democracy Dung -- soon we will be full on socialist -- at the very least. What is to prevent it

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Are you saying you can't prevent it?

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

I hear the calls from people who escaped from countries like Russia, or former Soviet bloc nations like Poland, and they are frightened to see what is happening in the United States. They say "we already saw this movie - we know how it ends!" And many of them also say they remember their parents denying what was happening until it was too late.

But the one that really got to me was the Cuban immigrant who said he was lucky because he had a place to escape to - the greatest country in the world - The United States. And then he said - but if America fails, where do we have to escape to?

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So you are saying the United States is going to undergo a violent communist revolution.

I disagree.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Says anyone who isn't an idiot.

Are you saying you can't prevent it?

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I am waiting for your answer -- the Moron's guide to why the US(S)A will never be "FULLY" socialist.

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hear the calls from people who escaped from countries like Russia, or former Soviet bloc nations like Poland, and they are frightened to see what is happening in the United States.

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No offense, but what happened to create a communist Russia is absofuckinglutely nothing like what is happening here. Nothing. They are not related and they never will be.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

I am waiting for your answer -- the Moron's guide to why the US(S)A will never be "FULLY" socialist.

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Folks wouldn't like it.

That's why.

So is this the new face of the Republican party? OR the new beginning of a new third party?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Folks wouldn't like it.

That's why.

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which folks ? I mean according to Newsweek and USA Today a month ago - we already are all SOCIALISTS. .. which folks wouldn't like it and be able to prevent it ?

how are you a socialist?

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Originally Posted by implacable44

which folks ? I mean according to Newsweek and USA Today a month ago - we already are all SOCIALISTS. .. which folks wouldn't like it and be able to prevent it ?

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Please give links to the articles you cite. You have been known to misinterpret them.

see the feb 16th issue of newsweek Moron. You misinterpret things ... "nothing to see here"..

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Originally Posted by implacable44

see the feb 16th issue of newsweek Moron. You misinterpret things ... "nothing to see here"..

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From the article

We remain a center-right nation in many ways—particularly culturally, and our instinct, once the crisis passes, will be to try to revert to a more free-market style of capitalism

I interpret this as saying we remain a center-right nation in many ways—particularly culturally, and our instinct, once the crisis passes, will be to try to revert to a more free-market style of capitalism.

:lol