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last time someone suggested secession
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I'm down. :toast
LOL at Perry finding his ballsack all of a sudden. What an act. :golfclap
Of course you are, America hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithInOne
i think perry has committed treason. Can an acting governor suggest secession? all kidding aside what in the hell is perry thinking?
Perry is doing his best to lock up the Texas arch-conservative vote, what with the primary against K Bailey coming up.
game, set, match.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
Anyone with half a brain knows that when you see Rick fucking Perry attached to anything, there is a deeper pragmatic motive for his long term monetary and/or political gains. I agree with the move, but, really, he's doing this to try to win the Governorship. And at the very least, he's doing this for future national political positions, senator, and eventually president.
This guy wants to be president one day. And, like kobe, I hope both his knees explode before that day ever happens.
whatta f'ing idiot. does he have any idea what TX independence would mean? TX would support itself after a while, but then we would get sick of eating just corn and citrus. The US would tax the hell out of our imports and exports, and we would get all our food from the gulf of mexico (cut off by the US) and mexico.
I'm sure company HQ's would move out of TX too to stay in conform to US taxes etc.
It's a nice little fantasy that Texans hold onto to make themselves feel special.
This is exactly the type of event in which it is useful.
Why do you assume a reasonable import export system is implausible? Oh yeah, because this is crazy world.Quote:
Originally Posted by mFFL03
Yes. Gov. Goodhair otherwise hasn't had a problem conspiring with the New World Order to sell out Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
He's not Presidential material. I'm tempted to say he isn't even Senatorial, but John Cornyn is still serving, so who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Secession is probably not on the path to 1600 Penn. It seems like he wants to stick around in Austin a little bit longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Can Kay Bailey beat him?
I would think so.
What issue do you think Slick Rick will use next on her Matroness? I can think of one....Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
I'm not clairvoyant. Spill, already.
What, motherhood?
Soft on illegals?
Raised taxes?
In what sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
That was a throw away. What were you thinking of?
Terminating motherhood, as it were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Oh that. Perry could win standing on that?
I want what Rick Perry is smoking.
It would seem to follow embracing state's rights. I forget if KBH has faced a serious challenge from a social conservative for her Senate seat, so I have no idea as to the efficacy. KBH's brand of Republicanism is better suited for the suburbs than the hinterlands. At some point I'm sure Perry will explicitly beat up on her as being part of the DC establishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Of course, I'm not going to spend any time researching this matter.
Man, someone should slap Rick Perry and then hand him some tapes of what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge.
That's not true. That's last time someone TRIED secession. It's suggested regularly in at least 4 or 5 states with no reaction whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimvp
Its going to be enjoyable seeing Slick Rick lose his primary next year.
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
In all seriousness, what in the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Not a Perry fan, but I don't think KBH poses as big a threat as people think. All he's got to do is point and say "she's a pro-choice Washington insider".Quote:
Originally Posted by Das Texan
I'm more worried about my hair than I am of KBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Manny. Are you suggesting that the govt handled those situations WELL?
What are you getting at?
You need to be worried if Kinky decides to run again.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickPerry
You are damn right about that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaSpur
Freak, Perry is a hack.
More specifically the Republic of Texas movement that invaded a home, kidnapped a family after shooting a member of that family and got one of their members killed in the resulting standoff in 97.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Perry is an idiot.
Don't forget Tim McVey....he held many of the same beliefs...
Of course, I'm just saying this actually happened in Texas.
Fucking Repugs are completely fucking nuts. Out of power and widely disrespected for supporting and being the party of dubya, dickhead, and the bogus war fiascos, they are spewing bull fantasy bullshit, appealing the hard right, of which there isn't enough to get them elected.
Keep fucking yourselves, Repugs, nobody fucking cares.
Split up the US, TX secede from US? GMAFB. total insanity of no consequence.
whenever someone talks of secession, that weird cult is the first thing that comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Nice job, Perry
:lmao
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
WTF? Isn't it obvious the type of people secession talk appeals to and riles up? You started a thread on right wing extremists and you don't know much about them? Where did I imply anything about how those situations were handled. Perry is saying what those type of people want to hear and that is not a good thing. That was the (I thought obvious) point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Some people at work were talking about how Texas could survive on its own if it seceded. Yeah, fucking right.
You know how many bases are in Texas? the US would swoop down with military, economic embargoes and so many other forces that Texas would have to rejoin the Union in a week, and change their name to Stupidana or maybe Dumbachusetts.
Good for Texas. I wonder what Oregon would be like if we seceded. Probably couldn't, being as liberal of a state as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Texas can't legally secede.
It's a stupid fantasy.
They were talking about it on the horrible Walton and Johnson (sp?) show here, and saying how Texas could probably pick up neighbors like Louisiana, Oklahoma and others. I just wonder what reality/world these people live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I agree, but it wakes people up when there is such talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
It makes stupid people break the law, someone gets hurt and/or killed, then things go back to the way they were.
yes, we wake up and say "great, another dumbass".Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Hard to say. I don't think it would ever happen, but there are legal reasons to make the claim to secede.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
The Declaration of Independence
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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation...
Not terribly legal from the British standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Look how far that got the South the FIRST time lol. :D
True. I don't see his quotes from the Confederacy. Seems more relevant than some colonies.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
That happens anyway. I would agree it allows people to use it as an excuse however.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Actually this is a debatable point for some as evidenced by the below email I got from a friend though I believe that Texas doesn't . Wikipedia has material on this subject and I copied the part about annexation below.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Annexation
On February 28, 1845, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that would authorize the United States to annex the Republic of Texas and on March 1 U.S. President John Tyler signed the bill. The legislation set the date for annexation for December 29 of the same year. On October 13 of the same year, a majority of voters in the Republic approved a proposed constitution that specifically endorsed slavery and the slave trade. This constitution was later accepted by the U.S. Congress, making Texas a U.S. state on the same day annexation took effect (therefore bypassing a territorial phase).
The annexation resolution has been the topic of some incorrect historical beliefs—chiefly, that the resolution was a treaty between sovereign states, and granted Texas the explicit right to secede from the Union. This was a right argued by some to be implicitly held by all states at the time, and until the conclusion of the Civil War. However, no such right was explicitly enumerated in the resolution. The resolution did, however, include two unique provisions: first, it gave the new state of Texas the right to divide itself into as many as five states (a proposal never seriously considered). Second, Texas did not have to surrender its public lands to the federal government. Thus the only lands owned by the federal government within Texas have actually been purchased by the government, and the vast oil discoveries on state lands have provided a major revenue flow for the state universities.
Below is an email sent to me about what could happen if it did. Of course I don't see the USA letting that happen and allowing Texas to have all the US "istitutions" just because they happen to be located in Texas. Interesting points though but pure fantasy.
THE COUNTRY of TEXAS
Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede from the Union. (Reference the Texas-American Annexation Treaty of
1848.)
We Texans love y'all, but we'll probably have to take action since Barack Obama won the election. We'll miss you too.
Here is what can happen:
1: Barack Hussein Obama becomes President of the United States, and Texas immediately secedes from the Union.
2: George W. Bush will become the President of the Republic of Texas. You might not think that he talks too pretty, but we haven't had another terrorist attack, and the economy was fine until the effects of the Democrats lowering the qualifications for home loans came to roost.
So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?
1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. We will control the space industry.
2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States
3. Defense Industry--we have over 65% of it. The term "Don't mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.
4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. What will the other states do? Gee, we don't know. Why not ask Obama?
5. Natural Gas - again we have all we need a nd it's too bad about those Northern States. John Kerry and Al Gore will have to figure out a way to keep them warm....
6. Computer Industry - we lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications equipment -small companies like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Miconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Nortel, Alcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on and on.
7. Medical Care - We have the research centers for cancer research the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world, as well as other large health centers. The Houston Medical Center alone employees over 65,000 people.
8. We have enough colleges to keep us getting smarter: University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas Christian, Rice, SMU, University of Dallas, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT (University of North Texas), Texas Women's University, etc. Ivy grows better in the South anyway.
9. We have an intelligent and energetic work force, and it isn't restricted by a bunch of unions. Here in Texas, it's a Right to Work State and, therefore, it's every man and women for themselves. We just go out and get the job done. And if we don't like the way one company operates, we20get a job somewhere else.
10. We have essential control of the paper, plastics, and insurance industries, etc.
11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard, and several military bases. We don't have an Army, but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an Army in 24 hours if we need one. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over the Texas Rangers.
12. We are totally self-sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs, and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables, and let's not forget seafood from the Gulf. Also, everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.
13. Three of the ten largest cities in the United States, and twenty- three of the 100 largest cities in the United States, are located in Texas. And Texas also has more land than California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Maryland, Rhode Island and Vermont combined.
14. Trade: Three of the ten largest ports in the United States are located in Texas.
15. We also manufacture cars down here, but we don't need to. You see, nothing rusts in Texas, so our vehicles stay beautiful and run well fo r decades.
This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.
Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama:
Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President Obama will be able to drive around in his big 9 mpg SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes..
You won't have any TV as the Space Center in Houston will cut off satellite communications.
You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes, but since Mr. Obama has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas as long as you survive the 2000 years it will take to get enough heat from Global Warming.
So, in other words, go screw yourselves. Oh, that's right. You already have!
Signed, The People of Texas
P.S. This is not a threatening letter - just a note to give you something to think about!
SLEEP WELL TONIGHT THE EYES OF TEXAS ARE UPON YOU!!
One Nation Under God.
It can't? I thought that was written into the agreement between the United States and Texas and drummed into the heads of every school kid who lived in Texas/Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Texas v. White pretty much trumps any legal argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indazone
Texas is not to big to let fail...