Spurs vs. Mavs... will the refs be a series x-factor again?....

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

My bad... I meant to say Game 3... the one where Nowitzki was held to below 40% shooting but had like 24 or 25 freethrow attempts... the last of which won the game for the Mavs...

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SA lost that game at the line. Spurs missed 10 FTs and lost by 1. Mavs did get 50 attempts at the line and sank 39 of them but the Spurs still could have very easily won that game. They hit only 2 more FTs, they win by 1.

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Originally Posted by samikeyp

SA lost that game at the line. Spurs missed 10 FTs and lost by 1. Mavs did get 50 attempts at the line and sank 39 of them but the Spurs still could have very easily won that game. They hit only 2 more FTs, they win by 1.

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Sure the Spurs would never be in that position if they always shot 100% from the line... that could be said for any game...

It still doesn't change the fact that one bad call decided the final outcome of Game 4... Nowitzki was awarded game deciding free-throws for a foul that did not occur...

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Originally Posted by dirk4mvp

:cry :cry

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Sure the Spurs would never be in that position if they always shot 100% from the line... that could be said for any game...

It still doesn't change the fact that one bad call decided the final outcome of Game 4... Nowitzki was awarded game deciding free-throws for a foul that did not occur...

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They didn't have to shoot 100% from the line. But they only miss 8 instead of 10, they win.

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Originally Posted by dmac

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That's nice. Never seen this smack before. Awesome. Keep it up.

I agree.

refs were RIDICULOUS Games 3 and 4 with not allowing any sort of defense, period. Bowen getting pushed by Dirk's offarm while not contacting him at all somehow equalled a defensive foul over and over.

The officiating undoubtedly affected the outcome of that series. It's tied 2-2 coming back to SA without help from the whistles.

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Originally Posted by BenJarvusOthelloTron

He's basically saying win something and then you can talk, hillbilly.

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You're a fat mexican living in the hellhole known as San Antonio. That must suck.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

I agree.

refs were RIDICULOUS Games 3 and 4 with not allowing any sort of defense, period. Bowen getting pushed by Dirk's offarm while not contacting him at all somehow equalled a defensive foul over and over.

The officiating undoubtedly affected the outcome of that series. It's tied 2-2 coming back to SA without help from the whistles.

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exactly. this was the most one-sided officiating ive EVER seen in the NBA.

never in nba history has a perimeter jump shooter gone to the line even close to as many times as dirk did that series.

they literally won the series off dirk shooting free throws.

i was so disgusted by this obvious tampering that for the first time in 14 years i did not watch the Finals or one second of any other game.

2006* will forever have an asterisk in my mind.

lets hire someone to kidnap Joey Crawford and then release him after the playoffs, I don't know, maybe the Somalies pirates can do the job because I have a feeling we are going to see him in the playoffs. :bang

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Originally Posted by VBM

Refs will only be a factor if we're playing in close games. If we make wide open shots, there won't be any close games. So, Mason, Bonner and Finley, make your open shots please.

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sorry to disagree but they can also kill a momentum and a team can not get their system flowing if they keep calling stupid calls

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Originally Posted by NRHector

sorry to disagree but they can also kill a momentum and a team can not get their system flowing if they keep calling stupid calls

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Championship teams find a way to win even when things aren't going their way.

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Originally Posted by samikeyp

Championship teams find a way to win even when things aren't going their way.

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+1

Quit crying about 2006 already. If not for a brain-dead foul at the end of game 7 that nobody in their right mind could argue about, the Spurs most likely win. Instead, a Spurs team exhausted by coming from 20 down gift-wrapped OT for Dallas. Move on, you're making Spurs fans look bad.

Even if you ignore all of the officials' mistakes in that series up to the end of game 7, you could say that they called a foul on Ginobili (which was a legit call) at the very end of the game, but 5 seconds later decided to 'let the players decide the game' when 2 Mavs players were literally hanging onto Duncan to keep him from dunking the ball.

I hate the arbitrary period at the end of the game when the refs decide to swallow their whistles. The fact that it's arbitrary makes it easier for personal bias to enter into the decision. Remember a couple years ago when Dirk actually tackled Finley when Mike was shooting a 3 at the end of a regular season game? Apparently that's not a foul. Same with Fischer fouling Barry, and Terry jumping into Mason with no call (that last one hasn't happened yet, but something like it inevitably will because the NBA sees errors and sits on its hands).

And you can put people down for complaining about bad calls, but it would help if the NBA did what it could to rectify the problems that do occur. I'm not so much worried about the bad calls in the past as much as those I'm bound to see again in the future.

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Originally Posted by Thompson

And you can put people down for complaining about bad calls, but it would help if the NBA did what it could to rectify the problems that do occur.

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Now that I agree with. NBA officiating has become woefully inconsistent. Either call it tight, or let them play but don't go back and forth.

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Originally Posted by Thompson

Even if you ignore all of the officials' mistakes in that series up to the end of game 7, you could say that they called a foul on Ginobili (which was a legit call) at the very end of the game, but 5 seconds later decided to 'let the players decide the game' when 2 Mavs players were literally hanging onto Duncan to keep him from dunking the ball.

I hate the arbitrary period at the end of the game when the refs decide to swallow their whistles. The fact that it's arbitrary makes it easier for personal bias to enter into the decision. Remember a couple years ago when Dirk actually tackled Finley when Mike was shooting a 3 at the end of a regular season game? Apparently that's not a foul. Same with Fischer fouling Barry, and Terry jumping into Mason with no call (that last one hasn't happened yet, but something like it inevitably will because the NBA sees errors and sits on its hands).

And you can put people down for complaining about bad calls, but it would help if the NBA did what it could to rectify the problems that do occur. I'm not so much worried about the bad calls in the past as much as those I'm bound to see again in the future.

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+1

It boils down to this... can they just be consistent???

I can't look back and think the 06 loss was on the refs. Not with the idiot Manu foul. I do however believe it would be nice to see Duncan get respect in the paint this time against the Mavs. He was dogged last go-round. Everything else just kind of sucked. We let them win a couple games and they closed them like good teams do. Or when they were that good anyhow.

I already paid off the refs. We're good to go.

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Originally Posted by Brutalis

I can't look back and think the 06 loss was on the refs. Not with the idiot Manu foul. I do however believe it would be nice to see Duncan get respect in the paint this time against the Mavs. He was dogged last go-round. Everything else just kind of sucked. We let them win a couple games and they closed them like good teams do. Or when they were that good anyhow.

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He outshot the entire Maverick team, how much respect do you want?

:lol:lol:lol

*He shot more freethrows than the entire Maverick team

Popovich benched both the starting centers and had lineups that included Finley as the 4. If you blame anyone, Pop has to be WAY ahead of the zebras.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

My bad... I meant to say Game 3... the one where Nowitzki was held to below 40% shooting but had like 24 or 25 freethrow attempts... the last of which won the game for the Mavs...

Edit: that's also the game where Duncan fouled out on two bogus calls, despite the fact that he was tearing it up...

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Isn't that the one where Dirk stepped on Tim's foot and fell down and Tim got called for a foul? Dirk fell down on every shot he took that day and the refs took the bait and bailed him out every time.

The refs almost always get a pass from me no matter how much of a influence they have on games. It's a tough job with superstar treatment being my biggest fustration and probably theirs too. Saying that, the 06 series against the mavs was painful to watch. When in the play-offs where players get away with more physicality that series went totally opposite with soft calls and freethrows. The in-advertent tripping call on Tim even though Dirk initiated the contanct topped it off.

If the level of superstar treatment is down to a minimum then i wont have any complaints. As per usual.