Changing Hearts and Minds

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04-17-2009
DarrinS

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I have no problem with this man being tortured.

http://autone.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/450_ksm.jpg
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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My bad. Wrong photo.

http://britandgrit.com/wp-content/up...ksmohammed.jpg
04-17-2009
ChumpDumper

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Why do you think this admin released that memo?

Transparency?

Why do you think they did?
04-17-2009
Viva Las Espuelas

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

My bad. Wrong photo.

http://britandgrit.com/wp-content/up...ksmohammed.jpg

Rosie is looking pretty good these days.
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Why do you think they did?

Demonize Bush admin and portray the current admin as a "kinder, gentler" America.
04-17-2009
Winehole23

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I have no problem with this man being tortured.

http://autone.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/450_ksm.jpg

The fact that to you torture is a joke says something about you, Darrin.

If you had said the same about KSM I'd have some respect for you for making a strong case, but photoshopping Rosie O' Donnell in and encouraging us to laugh at our own urge to torture someone is sneaky and pandering IMO.
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

The fact that to you torture is a joke says something about you, Darrin.

If you had said the same about KSM I'd have some respect for you for making a strong case, but photoshopping Rosie O' Donnell in and encouraging us to laugh at our own urge to torture someone is sneaky and pandering IMO.

Damn. Lighten up, WH.
04-17-2009
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Damn. Lighten up, WH.

Topicality!

We were talking about torture. Effing pay attention!
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Topicality!

We were talking about torture. Effing pay attention!

Is this what you guys are so deadly serious about...?

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Using insects to scare someone with a phobia of insects
Nudity and wearing diapers
Sleep deprivation
Waterboarding

Is that stuff really all that bad?

How about having to choose between burning to death and jumping to your death?
04-17-2009
balli

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Damn. Lighten up, WH.

I normally think WH is as good a poster as exists on these boards. And I wouldn't say the same about you Darrin (or myself). And I'm not bothering to go back to look at page one for context, but I can agree with that. Seemed innocuous enough to me.
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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And these same people that you bleeding hearts are so worried about would stone a woman for being caught in the company of any man who is not a blood relative.

Heaven forbid, don't make these guys spend time in a room with a spider.
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by ballijuana

I normally think WH is as good a poster as exists on these boards. And I wouldn't say the same about you Darrin (or myself). And I'm not bothering to go back to look at page one for context, but I can agree with that. Seemed innocuous enough to me.

I was flattered that he thought I took the time to Photoshop that myself.
04-17-2009
Crookshanks

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

I think some of you guys need to watch Patton again. That's the kind of military leadership we need - none of this moral high ground crap.
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

I think some of you guys need to watch Patton again. That's the kind of military leadership we need - none of this moral high ground crap.

(Psst -- they don't really like the military)
04-17-2009
balli

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

I think some of you guys need to watch Patton again. That's the kind of military leadership we need - none of this moral high ground crap.

lol at the pre-emptive reference to conservatives taking their policy from movies. And
lol at crooks ass-ignorance.

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Originally Posted by rg

When morons like yourself can't tell the difference between the real world of intelligence gathering and the Hollywood movies that they think pass for reality, you cease becoming idiots and become dangerous idiots.
04-17-2009
Winehole23

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I thought it was funny too, but I also had a harsh reasoned response to the post. It's reflected in my somewhat ironic wording.

Torture is not a fucking joke. Sen Graham of SC described the Abu Ghraib tapes as including *serious crimes* like "rape and murder". Allegations and official disclosures of * harsh methods of interrogation* are already legion -- have you read any of them Darrin?
04-17-2009
DarrinS

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by ballijuana

lol at the hours ago reference to conservatives taking their policy from movies.

That was a good movie though.
04-17-2009
DarrinS

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

I thought it was funny too, but I also had a harsh reasoned response to the post. It's reflected in my somewhat ironic wording.

Torture is not a fucking joke. Sen Graham of SC described the Abu Ghraib tapes as including *serious crimes* like "rape and murder".

There was a leadership problem at Abu Ghraib and that situation was dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Allegations and official disclosures of * harsh methods of interrogation* are already legion -- have you read any of them Darrin?

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As a rule, I'm against REAL torture. I don't have any issue with the list of unpleasantries in the OP.
04-17-2009
Crookshanks

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

That was a good movie though.

And from what I understand, it was a pretty accurate depiction of General Patton.
04-17-2009
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

I think some of you guys need to watch Patton again. That's the kind of military leadership we need - none of this moral high ground crap.

How about protecting our troops?

If we're not only known to torture prisoners but advertise it as our official policy, defined officially as non-torture of course, are our troops more or less likely to be mistreated? Reciprocity governs relations between nations friendly and unfriendly. Isn't having a policy of mistreating prisoners foolish?

We also introduced the mirage of due diligence by having doctors monitior *stressed out* prisoners, thereby quashing any imputation as to motive: physicians were present. No harm was intended, or at least -- no critical, legally defined threshold of pain.
04-17-2009
clambake

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yeah, if only patton could get al-qaeda to line up like germans.
04-17-2009
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

And from what I understand, it was a pretty accurate depiction of General Patton.

According to legend, Patton had a high, whiny, feminine voice.
04-17-2009
JoeChalupa

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Torture will not cease to exist it'll just be better hidden.
04-17-2009
clambake

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

According to legend, Patton had a high, whiny, feminine voice.

that would have never worked on the big screen.
04-17-2009
Winehole23

Re: Changing Hearts and Minds

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

Torture will not cease to exist it'll just be better hidden.

Having it as official policy is stupid.

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