Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Wild Cobra
I didn't really take the time to read the posts her, however, by title...
The need to implode, dammit!
They have deviated from the idea of "The Republic." They have become a lite version of democrats and their socialism. If we are going to have socialism, then say lets have democrats and have it done quickly, and die quickly, rather than a slow death by having the same policies implemented slower.
I actually think that the current process will make political Republicans take a and look, and become what they once were. Conservatives. If that doesn't happen, then I say screw them and let the republican party die.
I actually think that the current process will make political Republicans take a and look, and become what they once were. Conservatives. If that doesn't happen, then I say screw them and let the republican party die.
Alright Cobra. There are conservatives and conservative ideals I really like. There are Libreals and libreal ideals I really like. That being said it is only conservatives on this thread who've actually said "Fuck the republicans if they don't stand by their principles let them die" Libreals say for good or bad the "PARTY" must survive.oh sure they'll say both parties suck but they won't abandon THE PARTY that's abandoned them. That's why I find conservatives more intresting, they're willing to burn bridges, try real change, entertain new ideas and not just fall into lockstep with the PARTY and the machine the party's built, suckeling themselves from a rotting corpse. Nader supporters will actually say fuck the democrats but they don't seem to be represented here.
That being said , as something of a libertarian, it would take a near act of God to get me to vote for or trust someone the RNC approves of.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
hope4dopes
Alright Cobra. There are conservatives and conservative ideals I really like. There are Libreals and libreal ideals I really like. That being said it is only conservatives on this thread who've actually said "Fuck the republicans if they don't stand by their principles let them die" Libreals say for good or bad the "PARTY" must survive.oh sure they'll say both parties suck but they won't abandon THE PARTY that's abandoned them. That's why I find conservatives more intresting, they're willing to burn bridges, try real change, entertain new ideas and not just fall into lockstep with the PARTY and the machine the party's built, suckeling themselves from a rotting corpse.
You just described all the board conservatives for the last 8 years to a tee. They were "lockstep" up until the writing was on the wall after '06 that the Republican party was done for, and they collectively gave themselves permission to criticized Bush.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
:lol Conservatives are boring. They have a pat answer for everything and only really want to try one thing when it comes to government.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
FaithInOne
It'd be a paycut.
it's been a paycut for the last 10 presidents. serving your country is worth the paycut.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
hope4dopes
I actually think that the current process will make political Republicans take a and look, and become what they once were. Conservatives. If that doesn't happen, then I say screw them and let the republican party die.
Alright Cobra. There are conservatives and conservative ideals I really like. There are Libreals and libreal ideals I really like. That being said it is only conservatives on this thread who've actually said "Fuck the republicans if they don't stand by their principles let them die" Libreals say for good or bad the "PARTY" must survive.oh sure they'll say both parties suck but they won't abandon THE PARTY that's abandoned them. That's why I find conservatives more intresting, they're willing to burn bridges, try real change, entertain new ideas and not just fall into lockstep with the PARTY and the machine the party's built, suckeling themselves from a rotting corpse. Nader supporters will actually say fuck the democrats but they don't seem to be represented here.
That being said , as something of a libertarian, it would take a near act of God to get me to vote for or trust someone the RNC approves of.
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Libreals say for good or bad the "PARTY" must survive.
I must have missed something,which liberal said this? Please provide us with an example.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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hope4dopes
Where as democrats tend to look for an internal enemy and pit American against American.
Diabolical.
Are you a white knight, micca?
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
hope4dopes
That being said it is only conservatives on this thread who've actually said "Fuck the republicans if they don't stand by their principles let them die" Libreals say for good or bad the "PARTY" must survive.oh sure they'll say both parties suck but they won't abandon THE PARTY that's abandoned them. That's why I find conservatives more intresting, they're willing to burn bridges, try real change, entertain new ideas and not just fall into lockstep with the PARTY and the machine the party's built, suckeling themselves from a rotting corpse. Nader supporters will actually say fuck the democrats but they don't seem to be represented here.
Could you show me where board members have said that? Any of them?
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
Ever listen to Neal Boortz? He's a libertarian.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
That designation no longer hoists my joist. Looking him up online ought not to pollute my gentle soul excessively...
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
Ugh.
The icky finger. It just touched me.
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Are you kidding WC? You love this guy?
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Winehole23
Are you kidding WC? You love this guy?
I wouldn't say love, but he has a great deal of good information. Libertarians come in all mixes of left and right. They are anti-authoritarian. You should find the radio station and time he's on in your area and give him a chance.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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George Gervin's Afro
I must have missed something,which liberal said this? Please provide us with an example.
Oh come on GGA, you know how liberals are always in lockstep agreement, how they always maintain message discipline, tow the line and never, never, never criticize their own.
for example:
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=7836
...I mean, you can practically feel the vibrations from the goosestepping uniformity.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
I wouldn't say love, but he has a great deal of good information. Libertarians come in all mixes of left and right. They are anti-authoritarian. You should find the radio station and time he's on in your area and give him a chance.
Don't worry, I'll probably be subjected to him against my will in the car. Probably, I have already been subjected to Boortz and repressed the memory.
Nothing personal, WC, but I do not look forward to the next time.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
He comes on at around 8-10 down here I believe... I dont remember if he's on KLUP or 550.
meh. he just fits into the mold of all the other 3rd tier conservative talk radio hosts.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
He's not a libertarian, hell even Sean Hannity claims to be a libertarian now. Neocons never like to admit what they are. Besides pure libertarianism is a stupid ideology that americans will never accept. Do you think americans will accept that the way to protect the environement is to sell it? Do you think americans will accept the idea that if a hurricane is approaching it's okay to sell a sheet of plywood for $200 because that's what people are "willing" to pay at that time? That libertarianism.
As mentioned imploded (not imploding) is the correct tense when talking about the GOP. Now they are in rebuilding mode much like the spurs will soon be. I don't think they will regain power until they reject neoconservatism and get back to the ideology of Reagan (not a neocons despite what the board liberals would have you believe). It will be tough though because neocons have done such a good job of hijacking reaganism. It's hard to trust anyone who claims to be a reagan conservative, just look at W's 2000 campaign for proof. I think any conservative who fails to admit invading Iraq was a mistake will fail my "are you a neocon" test. Basically I'll be looking for conservatives who are a little less libertarian leaning than Ron Paul and have a much better personality than Ron Paul.
The other option might be that neocons flock back to the Democratic party since power is what they are most interested in. Then they can fuck up that party like they did the GOP.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
He's not a libertarian, hell even Sean Hannity claims to be a libertarian now.
Sure he is. As for Hannity changing? I don't know. Maybe. I do know he's been talking more and more like a conservative libertarian.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Neocons never like to admit what they are.
He's not a neocon. That's what much of the republican party has become, and the likes of Boortz, Hannity, Limbaugh and other do talk bad about them.
Fuck neocons. They are no better than democrats on fiscal policies.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Besides pure libertarianism is a stupid ideology that americans will never accept.
Who is talking about pure libertarianism? Please... Who said that? Why do you take it to the extreme? Few people accept the extreme left or right as well!
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Do you think americans will accept that the way to protect the environement is to sell it?
The idea is you protect your property. Sure, some will not take care of it, but common sense tells us more property would be protected better that way. The Ivory business is a perfect example. In countries it is illegal in, elephant poaching is out of control. In countries it is legal in, the herds are cared for and in no danger of extinction.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Do you think americans will accept the idea that if a hurricane is approaching it's okay to sell a sheet of plywood for $200 because that's what people are "willing" to pay at that time? That libertarianism.
Does it matter? Sell it for less, the product still runs out, and some people are still left without. If a person isn't smart enough to prepare in advance, then I don't give a rats ass what they have to pay. You live in hurricane country, you buy, cut it to size, and store it until needed. To do otherwise is piss poor planning.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
As mentioned imploded (not imploding) is the correct tense when talking about the GOP. Now they are in rebuilding mode much like the spurs will soon be. I don't think they will regain power until they reject neoconservatism and get back to the ideology of Reagan (not a neocons despite what the board liberals would have you believe).
I agree. they lost their path, and will never recover if they leave behind the liberal traits they gained.
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It will be tough though because neocons have done such a good job of hijacking reaganism.
I disagree. The people see through that.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
It's hard to trust anyone who claims to be a reagan conservative, just look at W's 2000 campaign for proof.
When did he claim that? I know he referenced it, but I don't recall he ever said he was a Reagan conservative. If I'm wrong, please show me.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
I think any conservative who fails to admit invading Iraq was a mistake will fail my "are you a neocon" test. Basically I'll be looking for conservatives who are a little less libertarian leaning than Ron Paul and have a much better personality than Ron Paul.
We are not talking about Ron Paul, and I specifically stated there are different types of libertarians. I am a conservative leaning libertarian. I have no idea what your test entails, but the term neocon has been changes in meaning too many times to trust it anyway.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
The other option might be that neocons flock back to the Democratic party since power is what they are most interested in. Then they can fuck up that party like they did the GOP.
That is where they belong, or another party yet. Let them leave. We need a fiscal conservative republican party again, or the party will die.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
PixelPusher
Oh come on GGA, you know how liberals are always in lockstep agreement, how they always maintain message discipline, tow the line and never, never, never criticize their own.
for example:
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=7836
...I mean, you can practically feel the vibrations from the goosestepping uniformity.
Yes they, do popular culture has even coined the term "political correctness" to express it.... has a nice ring sort of like idelogically pure or good party member
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
SnakeBoy
He's not a libertarian, hell even Sean Hannity claims to be a libertarian now. Neocons never like to admit what they are. Besides pure libertarianism is a stupid ideology that americans will never accept. Do you think americans will accept that the way to protect the environement is to sell it? Do you think americans will accept the idea that if a hurricane is approaching it's okay to sell a sheet of plywood for $200 because that's what people are "willing" to pay at that time? That libertarianism.
As mentioned imploded (not imploding) is the correct tense when talking about the GOP. Now they are in rebuilding mode much like the spurs will soon be. I don't think they will regain power until they reject neoconservatism and get back to the ideology of Reagan (not a neocons despite what the board liberals would have you believe). It will be tough though because neocons have done such a good job of hijacking reaganism. It's hard to trust anyone who claims to be a reagan conservative, just look at W's 2000 campaign for proof. I think any conservative who fails to admit invading Iraq was a mistake will fail my "are you a neocon" test. Basically I'll be looking for conservatives who are a little less libertarian leaning than Ron Paul and have a much better personality than Ron Paul.
The other option might be that neocons flock back to the Democratic party since power is what they are most interested in. Then they can fuck up that party like they did the GOP.
Yeah, alot of that is true,talk radio has been a godsend as a source of alternative information but most of the hosts when the rubber meets the road are water boys for the RNC. and knukle their fucking forelocks. As for Ron Paul's personality fuck that shit. we have been spoon fed some dip shit image of what intellignece looks like.... mid atlantic preepy smooth big smile cool and collected confident .... it's all a fucking image like models and actors play at.I mean look at how the media as twisted and preverted and wieghed and balanced and abused and degraded what it is to be a woman.The dolts we elect are being baised on their ability to pull of an image that's out of a fucking comic book.
Re: Is the GOP imploding?
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Originally Posted by
PixelPusher
You just described all the board conservatives for the last 8 years to a tee. They were "lockstep" up until the writing was on the wall after '06 that the Republican party was done for, and they collectively gave themselves permission to criticized Bush.
bullshit there is a lively discussion going on with consevatives discussing the implosion of the RNC because it's not meeting our needs,our general mistrust and possible alternatives. I don't see any liberals doing the same here, about the DNC, or commenting about how their party may be imploding as well, but please direct me to the thread or discussion about liberals dissatisfaction with the democrat party I must have missed it somehow.Yes the DNC won the election but honestly can you say that rank and file democrats or Americans won anything.
