I just want to read the responses of people trying to make a point in favor of these things.
I need a laugh.
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I just want to read the responses of people trying to make a point in favor of these things.
I need a laugh.
I think it was about fiscal and constitutional conservatives showing disenfranchisement with the direction of its own national leadership....exactly the type of grass-root organization that brought Obama to power over Clinton and McCain with his anti-war/anti-Bush message...but it may take another round of congressional losses in 10' and 12' before they really start to get the message...
I think it's about Limbaugh fans standing around being idiots. The people you see in the crowds don't even look like politically savvy people. They're American idiots who catch on to buzz words that they don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Also, there is a bunch of them that have Obama-hate signs... that has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism, even if it was true that the last president we had wasn't big on spending (And if you didn't know, that's not true.)
These tea-party goers are your typical southern backwoods and your typical cowboys. A bunch of poor people who are stupid to believe that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity really give a damn about them not having any money. They are told they should hate Obama so they do. Even though he's not raising taxes on the poor, you still see these fucking retards standing outside with signs depicting the president attacking Uncle Sam.
It's just sad.
Sean Hannity? Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Wango-Tango? The GOP leadership has lost control of its own media wing...they are out there operating with no sense of decency ....they need to be eliminated.....eliminated with 'extreme prejudice'...Quote:
These tea-party goers are your typical southern backwoods and your typical cowboys. A bunch of poor people who are stupid to believe that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity really give a damn about them not having any money. They are told they should hate Obama so they do. Even though he's not raising taxes on the poor, you still see these fucking retards standing outside with signs depicting the president attacking Uncle Sam.
:lol
...seriously, its about fostering disenfranchisement with the current administration....nothing else...
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
T_d_fan doesn't know what the fuck it is talking about.
whatever helps you guys sleep at night
You did well to begin by acknowledging that political leadership on the right is out of touch with the electorate, but I don't see this line working out too well for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Free speech is unruly and can be disturbing.Quote:
These tea-party goers are your typical southern backwoods and your typical cowboys. A bunch of poor people who are stupid to believe that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity really give a damn about them not having any money. They are told they should hate Obama so they do. Even though he's not raising taxes on the poor, you still see these fucking retards standing outside with signs depicting the president attacking Uncle Sam.
Cheers to you, t_d_f, for your profane and insulting denunciation of the great Southern unwashed. Whatever so excited them to get up off the sofa and go a protesting is surely not worth paying any attention to. Not any more than your crude regionalism or crayon sociology.
I think there were several issues,but mostly we did it to piss you off.Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
Why now, Captain Willard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
The GOP never had control of the media to begin with, and the media has been lacking decency for at least a decade, probably two...cable TV, then the internet, did us in.
All I know is that Obama isn't raising taxes on poor people but all of these uneducated folks are protesting against his tax policy.
A bunch of poor, uneducated people are crying about CEOs and other rich white-collar types and TV/Movie stars and athletes and popular talk show hosts will have to pay more taxes because some fat-ass with a radio show told them they should. He said this black guy was going to come in and take their guns and all their money going 20 generations into the future; and they believe him. So now, we get the tea-parties.
The ability to prey on the emotions of the fearful and the stupid, also known as the Republican base (excluding real fiscal conservatives, if they exist), was always the great strength of the right-wing leadership.
Yeah dude it don't make no sense do it, but don't strain yourself over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
t_d_f : The amount of ignorance is unreal, and there's an ugly streak of real racial antipathy in the picture. Just remember the fearful and the stupid are our fellow Americans. Their political masters will continue to abuse them; that's partly why they want to abuse the rest of us.
That's the first honest reason I've heard any tea party protester give.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
Why can't people have a protest about taxes? I mean if people can have protests about global warming and gay marriage, why can't they have protests about taxes?
Sure they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
What is stopping them?
Fascistic liberals on SpursTalk.
It was a mixture of anti-Tax/Large government, anti-Obama, and anti-Democrat sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
The idea was noble, but it got co-opted by crazies who just wanted to bitch.
Taxes are getting borderline out of control (not talking about just income tax).
Wow that assesment is so pathetic, and preditable it's unworthy of a response by grown up people.I think ese you've found a kindred mind with t-d-f.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
would I lie to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by PixelPusher
With this one piece of insight which you have brought the full force of your intellect to bear upon,I think you've finally showed the world what you're capable of......... to be a reporter for CNN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
TDF - you are just too stupid to deal with. Your elitism, snobbery and utter disdain for anything having to do with conservatives is really pitiful to behold. Are you trying to convince us, or trying to make yourself feel better?
The people at these tea parties were not poor, uneducated southern hicks. They were people from all walks of life, rich and not so rich, highly educated and just those with a high-school education. These tea parties were held all across America - they even had a pretty big one in NYC.
It wasn't just about taxes, you idiot, it was about the Federal Government getting too big and intruding on our lives in ways our forefathers never intended. One of the speakers at the Fort Worth tea party was a small business owner. He said to think back to 1984 - then he said:
In 1984, who would've ever thought, in this country, that the Federal Government would
- take over banks
- have a stake in private enterprises
- fire the CEO of a major company
- dictate the pay of executives
- dictate what kind of cars we can drive
- dictate what kind of lightbulbs we can use
- dictate where we can set our thermostat
- dictate where and when we can pray
- dictate the terms of your mortgage
And that, my clueless friend, is why people are angry and fed up! Only time will tell if this movement continues to grow and have any impact on the 2010 elections.
What I find rather interesting is WHY you libs are so bent out of shape over these tea parties - and why you find it so necessary to denigrate the participants. The fact that you guys are so uptight and bothered by them gives us conservatives much satisfaction!
Yet another honest admission of the real reason for the tea parties. You guys are making progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
No one is really bothered by them. Amused? Sure.
Like the 1984 speech.
Amusing.
Grossly exaggerated, full of lies, but amusing.
Really? They didn't bother me at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
If a bunch of people want to hang around downtown and waste their time shouting and walking to and fro, who am I to stop them? Good on them for organizing and coming together peacefully.
signs...
t_d_f said some stupid things, which I let him have it for, and some things that make sense, which I acknowledged. You ignored the criticism and highlighted the acknowledgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
There's hardly any cause for me to be concerned with the selectivity of your take, micca: everybody else reads and remembers and will form his own impression, based partly on the impressions already made, and partly on what's actually there in the thread.
What's actually there tends to refute your gloss. That you fail to read the thread but just pop off instead doesn't come as any surprise. But it would be foolish to assume that everybody else does the same.
I love that you started out like this, then went on to repost the quote and give your grown up take.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
The self-pwnage streak continues.
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Originally Posted by Crookshanks
The government has taken over businesses before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
It's happened before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
They didn't; they asked him to resign. He did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Doesn't the government dictate the pay of President? Congress? Military? Government employees?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
you're not allowed to buy a certain car? Really? Which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Which lightbulbs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Now you're just kidding right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Really? They've got a set regimen? Or do you mean, dictate where and when public officials can use prayer in a public setting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
This is the first one to have SOME validity, albeit in a very stretched way. They can change some terms, not the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Do you bother to research the things you hear on the air Crookshanks? Honestly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
The post RTC rules governing "prompt action" by the FDIC in the face of any situation posing *any significant adverse impact* on the US taxpayer, require the FDIC to take over insolvent banks, and were completely ignored.
There wasn't any transparency, so the rules weren't followed. There still isn't any, and now the FDIC is back-stopping the PIFP's with no-recourse loans. They're supposed to insure our fucking deposits.
How will they ever do that when the highly complex PIFP financial scheme loses money the way it was designed to?
There's a limit to taking it back in premiums.
I saw these clowns when I had to drop off my taxes at the post office. They are a joke, I actually saw a sign that said "I don't have a job, but if I did I'd be angry". WTF is that :lol
One thing I did notice which I thought was peculiar was that 95% of the group protesting was white. Not that there is anything wrong with that but in a city with as many different ethnic groups like San Diego you'd think there would be a bigger representation of the cities demographics. A main reason repubs are fading into obscurity. They need to become much more inclusionary if they ever wanna be relevant again. Less taxes as the only thing your party can agree on will only take you so far.
You don't have to say that, it's not like we're all gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple & Gold
I was talking about the group being 95% white. But it does read bad :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
It's not that republicans/conservatives are not inclusive, it's that the majority of blacks are democrats/liberals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple & Gold
They were working.
Where I was there was a very large precentage of asian and asian-americansQuote:
Originally Posted by Purple & Gold
What a charmingly erudite piece of horse shit. it's the stupid things you said I was commenting on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Taxes my ass!
Well alot of their major platforms can be considered not inclusive and many times has racial overtones. Illegal immigration, the war in Iraq, gay marriage, etc. Not that those stances are necessarily racist or non inclusive just that the way they are sold to the public by other republican voters and sometimes even their elected officials has lots of ugly messages. Mexicans are criminals and are here to steal your jobs and suck up free services, Muslims are terrorists, and so on. The republican party does not come across as inclusive at all. I think they are making a big effort to change this view, but they still have lots of work to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Not where I was and San Diego has a huge Asian American population, especially Filipino. Maybe it's just here. It was just something I noticed. But either way republicans need to go after the "minority vote".Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
According to Janeane Garofalo, there were about racism. She believes that that every person at all of the Tea Party rallies were racists and rednecks.
Bush enacted policies that infringe on my personal rights are much scarier than any of these financial issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Like people being ignorant and public protests attracting fringy haters? I call bullshit on you. You've been to a protest, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
I think this is the first citation of Janeane Garofalo I've ever seen in this forum. She's a former stand up comic, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
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Originally Posted by Jacob1983
Yeah, at least there were no fat, hairy homosexual men parading around in speedos and half shirts demanding the right to get married to their equally hairy partners!
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
You've obviously thought about this a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dav4463
Everytime the left get together and hold a demonstration; you see them on the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
pretty obvious what is going on
Republicans are playing people like puppets to try and smear this administration and regain all the lost ground of the bush years
these tea parties probably were initially set up by organizations like that. then the rest of the sheep followed, but for different, noble reasons.
i find all of this funny because Obama has only been in office for like 3 months and the Democrats have only been in control of the Senate for 2 years. republicans were in the white house for the past 8 years and started this whole mess we have now. and republicans ran congress since 1992.
no way the GOP loses more seat than they already have. the pendulum is about to swing the other way... at least a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
I'd venture to say that about 15 or 20% of all the people present went just to see what was going on and didn't participate at all.
Take San Antonio for example. Lots of tourists around the Alamo... some see a big ass crowd, lots of cameras, and hear some familiar names are gonna speak... so they hang around. Shit.. it's Alamo Plaza... there were probably gonna be a few thousand people in that general area just walking around anyway.
I went because it was a 15 minute walk from where I go to school and I wanted to see what it was gonna be like.
Not every time. It got a little old hat during the Bush years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dav4463
Left wing or liberal led protests get far more coverage and press than right wing or conservative led protests. Sad but true.
It was just a bunch of stupid pissed of rednecks being fucking idiots. Their was no point nor did it serve as a message to anyone.
Some were holding signs say no taxation with out representation, the only problem with that is that they r represented!
If it had been a protest against Proposition 8 or protest about fighting global warming, would there have been a point or message to their protests? Or are they fucking idiots too?
People dont realize this is all bushes fault with his excessive spending to fund the war that got us in this mess. How did people think he was paying 4 it? What is it 17 trillion tax payers dollars? Then they elect Obama thinking he is god and expect him to fix everything with the snap of his finger the first day he is in office. Then when he doesnt they get mad, and start saying stupid shit?!?!?!? and they want universal health care??!?!?!?! Do u kno that would raise income tax to around 35% and they r complaining cause Obama has raised taxes 3%?!?!?!?!?!?!?! The typical American these days if a fucking idiot (the average American has the iq of a 8th grader) 200 Ibs over weight that wants what they want with no consequences.
no their is a point their, no one wants gay fuckers walking around nor to burn up those have real meaning. these r just desperate attempts to get press, or attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
They probably protest more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
Sad but true.
Protestors at pro gay marriage rallies and protests and pro global warming protestors are considered more news worthy than say protests that are led by conservatives and/or Republicans. It's the truth and you know it.
I don't know that.
I would for you to provide some proof.
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Originally Posted by tim_duncan_fan
No, he, and presidents and Congresses past and present are forcing ALL future taxpayers to shoulder a great burden so that people today can live (WAY) above their means.
The Bailouts and Stimulus that have been passed in the past 6 months cost multiples of times more than BOTH the Iraq and Afghan wars have cost in the past 6 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by beefanus
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Originally Posted by beefanus
I actually feel dumber after reading this.
To you lefties. By the ignorant comments I see you all making here, I have one suggestion. Learn why the protest occurred instead of making such asinine remarks.
astroturf
redneck white rally
amanda
Fox News Channel.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Standard ChumpDumper Response
beefanus has that effect on peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Don't forget W's from this time last year. Can we even tell the parties apart at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
From the way they both bitch when out of power, no; from what they do once they get it back, not really IMO. The continuity between Obama and Bush is considerable, despite the intense mutual hatred of partisans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Indeed. That's why most partisan bickering is ultimately about divergent political philosophies instead of different political realities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
I think the second vote on the original bailout in the House was most instructive, as it served to provide a list of who was a member of the 'DC party' and who was not. Truly conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats have more in common than they might think.
It may have been about something other than Fox News before, but it became their show. This is certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Hey all you resident libs - how does it feel for YOU to be in the minority?
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51% View Tea Parties Favorably, Political Class Strongly Disagrees
Monday, April 20, 2009
Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans have a favorable view of the “tea parties” held nationwide last week, including 32% who say their view of the events is Very favorable.
Thirty-three percent (33%) hold an unfavorable opinion of the tea parties according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Fifteen percent (15%) are not sure.
While half the nation has a favorable opinion of last Wednesday’s events, the nation’s Political Class has a much dimmer view—just 13% of the political elite offered even a somewhat favorable assessment while 81% said the opposite. Among the Political Class, not a single survey respondent said they had a Very Favorable opinion of the events while 60% shared a Very Unfavorable assessment. Why am I not surprised at this
One-in-four adults (25%) say they personally know someone who attended a tea party protest. That figure includes just one percent (1%) of those in the Political Class.
David Axelrod, a top adviser to President Obama, on Sunday characterized the protests in dozens of cities on the day federal income taxes are due as potentially “unhealthy.”
Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Americans say they followed recent new stories about the tea party protests, including 32% who followed Very Closely. Forty-one percent (41%) say they didn’t follow the reports.
Republicans were far more interested in the protests than others. Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans followed news reports, with 50% following Very Closely. By comparison, just 47% of Democrats and 50% of adults not affiliated with either major party say they followed the reports at least somewhat closely.
Just 32% of the Political Class was following along. Among those with populist, or Mainstream, views, 68% were paying attention.
While 83% of Republicans and a plurality (49%) of unaffiliated Americans have a favorable view of the tea party protests, only 28% of Democrats say the same.
The Political Class and Mainstream classifications are determined by the answers to three questions measuring general attitudes about government.
Most Americans trust the judgment of the public more than political leaders, view the federal government as a special interest group and believe that big business and big government work together against the interests of investors and consumers. Only seven percent (7%) share the opposite view and can be considered part of the Political Class.
On many issues, there is a bigger gap between the Political Class and Mainstream Americans than between Mainstream Republicans and Mainstream Democrats. That was true on the tea parties, but Mainstream Republicans do express a more positive view of the protests than Mainstream Democrats. Still, a majority (54%) of Mainstream Democrats had a favorable opinion of the tea parties. But wait, I thought this was a right-wing extremist event
Just because Yonivore presents the thoughts of others as his own does not mean that you should too.
I have a favorable opinion of the initial grass roots idea, but I disapprove of their selling themselves out so eagerly to Glenn Beck and Rick Perry. I've never seen folks let themselves be used so willingly. No wonder it's easy to tax them.
phone polls.
only the old use landlines anymore..........51% is an terrible outcome.
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Originally Posted by clambake
Or a terrible outcome.
that too.
Oops - I'm sorry! I don't know how to imbed links, but I copied that directly from the Rasmussen website. It's under the tab "Recent Polls".Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
There's an icon on the reply toolbar under the smilie. Globe plus a chain link. Be sure to minimize both windows so you can drag the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crookshanks
Embed away, CS.
If you just copy the web address and paste it here with a space or line return after it, the forum software will automatically make it a link.
Thanks Winehole and Chump! Usually the source is right under the author or at the end of the piece - but I guess since this was from their own website, it wasn't there and I didn't catch it. But now I know how to make sure the piece is linked!
I wonder if moveon.org is still concerned about deficits...
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9WKimKIyUQ
I have to disagree with the noble part. The tea party protests around the country were anything but. They were mostly meetings or redneck morons protesting a black President, gun control legislation and any kind of taxes they think are unfair. No matter how fair they might actually be. The "states rights" tirade by moronic Texas governor Perry echoed the sentiments of the fools at the meetings also. They are visceral feelings of rascism, bigotry and intolerance. You know, the way most republicans feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by fyatuk
Republicans are racists yet a Republican president worked his ass off to end slavery. And there was a very popular president who was a Democrat that put Japanese-Americans in internment camps to protect America. Republicans are the racists. Democrats are never racist.
ffy. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
Not sure I agree with your qualification, PP. Southern Dems were a solid bloc against civil rights, and a bigger proportion of Republicans than Dems actually voted for it.
The House version:
- Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
- Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[9]
- Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
- Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]
- Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
- Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Tricky Dick did implement affirmative action. Of course, that could be evidence of some soft racism.
hence the term "after".Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#Roots_of_the_Southern_strategy
I do think it's funny how Democrats never talk about how much of a racist FDR was. The man put Japanese-Americans in camps because he said he was protecting America. I smell a double standard.
Not disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PixelPusher
That's probably because those Democrats never claimed to have a complete, unbroken historical legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob1983
shittiest straw man, ever.
I take it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by PixelPusher
This strawman was shittier.
Damn. Mav Fan sucks wherever they go and no matter what political viewpoint they hold.
Is South Oklahoma not just one giant shithole?
Janeane Garafalo is on ST ? Why not use your real name Janeane?Quote:
Originally Posted by bresilhac
I hope they never thought they were anything but a liberal political movement, only concerned about power...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya Vez
After all, MoveOn is effectively owned by George Soros.
I wonder how much his wealth is growing under there political cause problems we have?Quote:
George Soros (pronounced /ˈsɔroʊs/ or /ˈsɔrəs/, Hungarian IPA: [ˈʃoroʃ]) (born August 12, 1930, in Budapest, Hungary, as György Schwartz) is an American currency speculator, stock investor, businessman, philanthropist, and political activist.