No even when their wrong like fish in 04 it they won't make it right. It's o.k. though we've seent this same pussy dallas team fold before with a lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shank
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No even when their wrong like fish in 04 it they won't make it right. It's o.k. though we've seent this same pussy dallas team fold before with a lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shank
Look, we've won 4 titles by playing that brand of basketball. When we used Bruce to body up perimeter players, other teams' fans used to complain about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse
The point is that the Mavs were at least playing physical D and challenging the refs to call some borderline fouls, which the refs didn't. And guess what, the refs usually let them play in the post-season, and call fewer fouls. That's why tougher defensive teams usually beat the finesse teams. The Mavs simply took advantage of this well-known trend. We on the other hand let the Mavs get easy look after easy look and putback after putback.
We didn't deserve to win this.
Now Bonner should'nt have played Tony should'nt have made a personal one on one game out of tonight and we shoulda played D in the second half. But 1 FTA on 24 shots, You just can't argue against that.
Duncan did deserve some calls he didn't get. But he didn't let it get to him. He played through it. That's a good sign.
That may be true but bums like dampier don't get this treatment. Bowen is all-defense year after year. Why is dampier even in the league I don't know. dirk got his calls give Timmy the proven champion his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
There was not disparity in the foul shots. The Mavs took 17 FT's to the Spurs 12, but 4 were intentional at the end. Before that, Dallas had 13 and the Spurs 12. It's play-off basketball, and refs tend to let them play.
You, EricB, and others deserve some serious props tonight. The others..not so much. Personally I thought it was a great hard fought game, better than what I'm used to seeing in the first round. Overall I was satisfied, win or lose :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Not that same old tired indefensible bullshit argument again...Quote:
Originally Posted by samikeyp
- And I'm not just talking about "samikeyp" here. -
Yes the Spurs could have played better.
But the Refs ALSO sucked.
THESE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT EVENTS YOU FUCKING MORONS.
If someone wants to call out the refs and any of you stupid fucks says "it doesn't matter because the Spurs didn't make every shot" or anything remotely as fucking stupid - just STFU and leave the planet until you get a goddamn brain.
Or at least read a fucking book on argumentative fallacy (look it up).
Pink my ass if you want, but I'm fucking tired of this particular brand of idiocy.
Sweetie, Dirk had at least seven clear fouls in the first half, and only got called for two of them. The other one was that bullshit charging call Finley drew.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
See thread title, dear. The Mavs shot jumpers the entire night thanks to snowplow screens. The Spurs went into the paint and got mauled.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
Tim wasn't getting any calls...but the rotations and miserable defense is what killed us.
And as far as "You're not gonna get that call"/"The refs let them play" "at the end of the games"/"in the playoffs", Manu circa 2006 would like to have a word with you.
Look, I do agree that there was some obviously blown calls in Dallas' favor, but that was definitely not what cost us this game IMO.
I think your View was ObstructedQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
JJB and Damp played some great D on you guy's biggest 2 weapons. It was a physical game from both sides, hard fought and exciting, just the game I want to see as a fan. :toast
A game where your team gets all the calls despite not being aggressive? Of course that's the game you want to see. Barea drawing charges wasn't what bothered me, it was the moving screens and the non-calls. There's a reason the Spurs are dead last in the league at free throw attempts, but it has nothing to do with their aggressiveness or ability to draw fouls. You can suggest that there are other reasons the Spurs lost, but the absolute raping they got by the refs certainly didn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
My eyes tell me Duncan deserved FT's a few times but didn't get them.
But the refs did not decide this game.
You wanna see a game decided by refs look at games 3, 5, and 6 of the 2006 NBA Finals.
The refs buying Barea's flops was really unacceptable. They weren't even good flops. It's an insult to all the talented floppers out there.
We were agressive at times. JJ was driving and dishing or driving and scoring. And we only shot 17 free throws. To me it looked like Tony faded down the stretch, Dampier did a great job on Duncan, and the Mavs had some unlikely heroes step up. But what interests me most is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
"There's a reason the Spurs are dead last in the league at free throw attempts, but it has nothing to do with their aggressiveness or ability to draw fouls."
Please, tell me you're not saying what I think you're saying. You're better than that. Tim wouldn't say something like that
Or the games 2, 3 and 4 of the 2006 West Semi FinalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghazi
So we agree the refs did not decide this outcome.
Lets give our fucking boys in blue some credit.
It wasn't really what I meant at the time, but now that I think about it, how would you explain it? The Spurs were aggressive as long as I watched the game, and the refs just absolutely swallowed their whistles. Hell, the ball bounced out of bounds at the end of the first quarter with a second left, but the refs just said the quarter was over. The Mavs were allowed to hack and shove and make room with absolutely no penalty whatsoever. I know Pop's an idiot, and I know the Spurs' lineups are shit, but there's nothing I can do about that. Fact is, if the Spurs were getting even the same calls the Mavs were getting, the game probably would have been out of reach by the time Pop started fucking up. I know that Parker and Duncan wouldn't have "faded down the stretch" which really means that they stopped bothering to go inside because they knew they weren't going to get calls when they got hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghazi
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotch...meId=290418024Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Duncan shot more than half his shots outside the paint.
Duncan got hit some, but what can I say, it's a big man's game down in the paint, and Tim initiates alot of that contact. I agree there were some iffy calls pertaining to Tim, like the "block" where he got shoved into the first row. I also thought he should have gotten an and 1 off a turnaround hook on the block where he got knocked down. But overall, it just didn't look all that horrendous from an officiating standpoint. They let the players play, and guys got hit on both sides. Tony couldn't have been getting hacked or hit too badly, at least not in the first half when he was killing us. He was getting to every spot on the court that he wanted, every time he wanted. If we don't find a better way to check him then we might run into some trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
He had 24 shots, and shot ten of them from outside the paint, seven of those in the second half when he realized he wasn't going to get any calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto