at the start of the season many condemned the signing of Finley.
Where have they gone??? :rolleyes Moved on to Bonner?
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at the start of the season many condemned the signing of Finley.
Where have they gone??? :rolleyes Moved on to Bonner?
To be honest, I always liked Finley.
The only reason he goes cold sometimes is because he doesn't get enough touches.
Coming from the Mavs he was a player who got alot of touches miss or make, he's been a quality player that way.
Kinda like Kobe/Allen Iverson.
I say run some more plays for Finley, that man can shoot.
And it seems his shooting percentage increases if there's a hand in his face, and if he's wide open it decreases. lol
Nobody hates Finley! He's the main reason we were southwest champs.
But we all hate that fuck Bonner!
I really like how he is being aggressive and driving to the basket. Seems like ever since Manu went down, he has incorporated it more into his game.
:tu to this thread...
They are coming up with anti-Bonner and anti-Pop threads. :)
Yea they're all in the Bonner threads lol. Let's let them be. I'm sick of hearing their hate for Finley. I'm already sick of hearing their hate for Bonner.
i still hate Finley. he makes a few games winners and everyone forgives him for a horrible season. gimme a break.
I've loved Fin since he was signed. All the Finley haters are camping in the Bonner threads right now. Actually, everyone should be in the Bonner threads right now. lol.
They're just waiting until he has a stat line like Bonner did last night and then the Bonner threads will be replaced with Finley ones.
hehe I never hated Finley, actually hes my favorite player but I do hate POP for making him guard the studs. The only player I do hate is Matt Bonner who can't guard for his life without fouling.
Finley has been absolute $$$ lately. Too bad it's all for nothing. Thanks, Pop... :bang
As long as he's making his shots I don't have a problem with him. Considering that is all he does out there, I think it's rather significant. It's the same issue with Bonner right now.
Pop asking players to do more than they are capable of is the bigger problem at the moment. (That includes starting Bonner at center when he doesn't rebound, as well as asking Finley to guard guys like Lebron).
Fuck Finley.
I'm really glad Finley hit that shot on wednesday, but his defense yesterday was beyond poor. The spurs were -20 when he was in the game...-20!!
Those +/- stats are bogus. I don't think it determines whether a guy played well or bad anyway. Clearly Bonner was the worst guy on the floor out there yet has the 3rd worst +/-? Not to mention Finley was out there when Bonner was out there for most of the night lol. I had no problem with Fin's defense. I thought he played off Josh too high though. And he kept doing it as if that was the gameplan. I'd prefer Josh to shoot the jumper too but atleast with a hand in his face. We played Wright the same way.
Nobody hates Finley. People have a reaction to him because he is the epitome of both 2008, and 2009's glaring team's weakness and Pop's own blindness:
He is a one dimensional role player. He shoots shots. He is also a reminder that our "You need at least 3 all-stars to win a title" etc. is an archaic strategy in today's league.
Last night's game with this Bonner crap and the Mavs benefiting from guys like a J.J. "Who??" Barea wanting to prove themselves on a higher stage highlighted what is lacking in players 4-12's mentality.
Finley represents the whole team outside of The Big 3....Limited in talent because they're FILL IN THE BLANK
He is a former shell of his all-star self, and Pop validates that feeling by coddling him.. Now this gives him the excuse to run around excel at what he's JUST exceptional at, while not putting much effort as a teammate in other areas in spite of his limitations. So he hits a few gamewinners and gets a hot streak now and then? We're supposed to shut up when he does his lackluster job? Team's are fun when it's not just the stars trying to kick the other team's ass but the whole team. Finley and several of the team's players' haven't been fun to watch.
Finley expresses this best as our team's one-dimensional role player: "Hmmm... Let Tim, Tony and Manu do the work while we stand like statues in the corner and shoot threes all night long, then run back on D and wait for Pop to replace me with Bowen. "
I'm watching game 1 of the Laker games, and the Lakers bench still have scrubs like Luke Walton who do dirty work. Watching the Jazz roleplayers, (and the Mavs last night), all of them do teamwork and pitch in....
Manu got burnt out with the shitty role player nonsense. Tony is getting burnt out this year. Our stars shouldn't have to work that much harder. We should actually all be stepping up when someone gets injured, not just Tim or Tony, or Manu, every time.
Nobody fights for rebounds, or badgers people on D, they just have this mentality because they're already complacent in their limitations.
This is why we sucked this year. I remember Manu saying "it's not just one or two players stepping up, it's everyone should be looking to say what can I do to help, play better"
Fuck the philosophy of one-dimensional help. It's made it that much harder to compete with deep squads... next year if we keep signing these satiated veterans, Spurs will never keep up with contenders like the Lakers, Boston and Cavaliers, where the teammates don't just rely on their superstar but try their hardest to not piss them off by lounging around. The Veteran strategy is not bad, Grant Hill is an example of that, but coattail riders who get complacent in being one-dimensional is where the veteran strategy fails.
Finley has a wrking jumpshot. Big deal. It doesn't make him a hero.
Robert Horry wasn't just a shooter. He actually would make a block, steal or charge, Finley is what went wrong with our bench strategy. Manu's 6th man role didn't highlight how smart Coach Pop was or how fantastic Manu is in being a one man wrecking crew..nor did it highlight the big three's inability to co-exist. That was a red herring....
People can call out the Finley "haters" all they want, but they're just refusing to acknowledge that they have good basketball instincts. Watching the other teams during the playoffs make me sick.
There's a reason for Pop screaming on Friday to forget Manu-the "deus ex macina" .....because the help still plays like Finley.
Uh yeah after Game 1 isn't the time to start a Finley Love thread. Any points he scored on the offensive end were more than negated by his defense.
They need to take all of Finley's minutes and give them to Roger Mason.
i am giving Finley props for his offensive performance. i certainly would have bet against him making all those shots. I was wrong about his shooting, for now.
But stick by my evaluation of his defensive game. It was bad as usual.
I'm a Finley fan, but I hate his fucking role. He needs to be a shooter off the bench in limited minutes... maybe somewhat larger version of the Steve Kerr role from '03. Not a 'perimeter stopper' getting murdered on D 30 minutes a game. Finley was the player most detrimental to the Spurs effort last night. Even on a night he shot lights out he was still an enormous liability to the team. :pctoss
This series is over if Pop doesn't recognize that Bruce is a far superior player. With Bowen taking those minutes, I'd be confident in the Spurs coming back and taking this series. :bang
Fin as role OK
Fin as 2nd option in offens, NO
Finley is a very bad defender, no question . he should never be in the game if TD is out, unless he's gaurding someone with limited ability. When Td is in and Finley's man blows past him at least there's The Big Reliable clogging the lane.
and if he is he should def. not be guarding premier offensive scorers (ie Lebron, Kobe), or even good ones (ie Terry, Howard). he shouldn't ever be guarding anyone with any offensive ability at any point during a game. in this series, that leaves one player that he should be put on: that guy "Wright." otherwise he's a risk to put out there. i don't know, maybe Pop could try him out on Kidd? Kidd is pretty slow these days and doesn't really do much scoring. he could just sag off of him and hope he clanks jumpers.
Fin's defense isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be. I mean Josh Howard had 25 points. Last I checked he wasn't a scrub. Now if I were coach I would've had Finley on Jason Kidd since he himself is a liability on offense. He refuses to shoot. Especially when the Mavs were throwing Barea and Kidd out there at the same time. Have Finley on Kidd and have Parker on Barea. Problem is, Parker himself had problems with Barea. Fin may not be a defensive juggernaut but last night he wasn't the only one to leave much desired on the defensive end. He got lit up for 25 by a ex-all star. What's the rest of the guys excuse for getting lit up by Brandon Bass and JJ Barea? Howard going off for 25 wasn't going to give the Mavs the win. Barea and Bass going off solidifed a win where JET and Dirk didn't do shit.
Without Michael Finley we might have lost this game. :tu
Please read the FU Finley haters thread to see why this means shit.
By the way...I'm still right here, looking at the +/- scores from this game:
Tim Duncan -1
Matt Bonner -8
Roger Mason 0
Tony Parker -4
Kurt Thomas -9
Ime Udoka 0
Bruce Bowen +2
Drew Gooden 0
Michael Finley -20
:lmao :lol
Holy shit that is an insane +/- score. I don't normally put much stock into single game +/- but Finley is on an island on himself on this mother fucker. He almost had a bigger negative rating that the rest of the team, combined.
That is telling. I don't believe I've ever seen that sort of diparity between one player and the rest of the team in my entire time as a basketball fan.
Here are some facts for you fucking Finley fans.
In 2006 douchbag came to the Spurs...we were rock fucking hard. We won back to back double ot games, we won a game 7 in the finals against the defending champs.
We were bad fucking ass and at the peak of the Spurs dominance.
We added Michael Finley to this team, and Pop made him a big part of it, because he's good enough to be a part of it talent wise, and we became weak, and started cracking under pressure, and the Mavs became stonger after losing him.
It is a joke to even put this dude in the same fucking sentence as Brent Barry...we gritted wins out to the max against the toughest comp with him. We have crackkkkkkkkkkked with Finley.
But Pop was going to play Finley, and Barry knew it...so did we all.
And that's why we now have this fucking Mavs bitch of a fucking team and have to hope for shit like the Warriors to come along and save us.
We made one major change after 2005 to 2006, we added Michael Finley as a big part of this team and we have never been the same team since.
AJ has nothing to do with them figuring us out, he is gone now and Rick Scrub is the coach and he has never come close to figuring us out before.
The link, the direct link between cracking stones or cracking under pressure, is Michael Finley...I don't give a fuck how many shots he makes that don't result in meaningful wins.
And Pop loves him with all his heart.
So in response, I'd like a to drop a big fuck you on Michael Finley, his stupid fucking fans and the rest of the suck he brought with him from Dallas, for fucking up my basketball team and turning them into the Mavs, and a big FU to his fans for their stupidity and one dimensional insight into the game.
You don't know shit when it's being crammed up your nose by the gallon.
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whottt, that post was amazing
Thank you.
It felt good to post that :smokin
Brent Barry quota.
Check.
The 2007 Championship ought to come with an asterisk.
* won with Michael Finley on roster
That ought to count for like, 3 championships instead of just one.
Way I figure it, Michael Finley does not increase championships won, he subtracts from them...so like if we won one with him, we probably would have won 3 without him.
IMHO.
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Whott, who is better, Bonner or Scola?
Can you not answer the question? Who is better Whott, Bonner or Scola?
You seem to have a compusion to discuss the Rockets and their players instead of the Spurs...I am merely asking why you are not a Rockets Forum doing so? Why sit here and suffer with the Spurs...I mean, Scola is still playing, you will still have something to look forward to should the Spurs lose.
You must be a Rovkets Scola Fan, why else would you be bringing up Scola, in this thread, at this time?
You take Scola, you go stick him up your fuckin ass...
Because Whott flames people because he says Bonner is not clutch, but then defends him like a hobbit guarding the ring when people bring up Scola.
Can you not go discuss the Rockets and their players in the NBA forum? With the other Rocket Fans that want to talk about Scola?
This is a Michael Finley thread in thre Spurs forum, why in the fuck you are bringing Luis Scola into it?
Do I like look I am in this thread to discuss fucking Scola?
Do you have OCD bout Luis fucing Scola or something?
If not, then the shut the fuck about Scola or go discuss him with the other people interested in discussing him at this particular time during the Spurs playoffs.
DPG is going to follow the Rockets and root for them after the Spurs lose...pathetic.
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Originally Posted by whottt
I'm sure Michael Finley is the reason why Manu is hurt and the reason why Pop plays Matt Bonner. Hell Michael Finley is the reason why Manu fouled dirk in 06. Michael Finley is the reason why Pop and R.C resigned Oberto Bonner and Vaughn within the first couple days of the free agency period in the summer of 2007, instead of trying to improve our roster by adding Scola. Finley also had the final say in trading the FIBA MVP to a division rival for some lube for the beginning of the Pop and Bonner affair.
Whott your on crack.
"No one was happier with the Matt Bonner signing than me. Obviously my clutch radar kicks ass". Ring a bell d-bag?
Also, how come you do not get so testy when Timvp says to you: "Matt Bonner is better than Scola, Kurt Thomas, Oberto and Gooden combined"? Scared to call out someone that constantly owns you? Go to a Rockets board and discuss the Rockets, you obviously love to talk about Scola.
I'm a big Finley fan, but Michael Finley was one of the biggest reasons the Spurs lost last night. He got murdered by Howard, then Brandon Bass in that stretch where the team blew their lead. I don't want to put it all on him; Pop's the main goat with his insistence on using Finley 30+ minutes at the expense of Bowen and his insistence on making Roger play point ahead of Hill.
Thank you. Whott the f*ck is he talking about. I HARDLY EVER talk about the Rockets. He definitely has me confused with someone else. I would love to see him link post about me discussing the Rockets outside of the threads he starts about the Rockets.
Did Whott eat some Barry's and become delusional?
Yeah Bonner...is the starting PF for the Spurs. Finley plays for the Spurs.
Luis Scola has never played for the Spurs. He has absolutely nothing to do with what this team once was, or what it is now. Every other player I have mentioned does.
Futhermore, your entiire purpose in this thread is ignorant and uneeded, because discussing Scola has absolutely nothing to do with the future of this team either. Whereas both Finley and Bonner do.
So like I said...you take Scola, you stick him straight up your goddamn ass, and you go talk about his fucking ass with the other people give a shit about him right now.
Admit it...you're going to follow the Rockets if the Spurs lose aren't ya?
:lol at how Timvp brings up Scola first and Whott forgets how to type :rollin
Please link to all the threads where I talk about Scola or the Rockets. If I do it so much, it should be quite easy for you to find. I am pretty sure I could hunt down the million threads where you are discussing Scola.
Admit it...you're obsessed with Scola and projecting you obsession onto me. You are delusional.
whottt, who is the best out of Bonner, Gooden and Thomas? And if you don't pick Bonner, why did you change your mind?
Brent Barry played for the Spurs and won 2 championships with them, including the one the year before Finley was signed on a team that showed a far dififerent character than any Spurs team since. Thar's the point.
It's relevant, Bonner is also relevant, Scola is not.
To be fair, Whottt had no control over Barry's destination.
I think it's just ironic for this thread discussion that Barry and Scola are now on the same team. :rollin
But I think it's a legitimate observation that some Argies who are Scola apologists will secretly follow Scola if the scenario played out that the Spurs would get eliminated and Rockets advanced...there's no question. :lol
It's no biggie...but still an amusing outcome from the Scola trade.
They all suck...you want me to pick degrees suck? I have done so many times.
Nonetheless, Finley is a choker even if he does it subtley, Bonner is also a choker...and for that matter so are Scola, Thomas and Gooden.
But out of all them...it's Finley that sucks the worst.
You betray the Spurs by covering your eyes and pretending it didn't happen and the character of this team didn't change immediately with the Finley signing and Pop's obession with playing him.
It's not funny...
It's over
And the reason why has nothing to do with Scola and everything to do with Finley and his being on the court so much.
Finley became part of the fabric this team, and it's a little more blue and silver because of him.
The only reason I brought up Scola (which Whott does every other day along with BB) is because Whott talks crap about Bonner being clutch, but then gives Bonner love when compared to Scola.
He is a hypocrite. I will gladly bump some threads to show you what I am talking about.
You should check Barry's +/- in that Dallas series vs Finley's, and get back to me:
They're in the boxscores on the right-hand side:
http://popcornmachine.net/GameFlows200605.html
Finley prob turned Barry into a pussy.
Michael Finley should be signed by teams with the intent of benching him once the playoffs start. He's got a worse playoff career stat sheet than Marvin Harrison.
Yeah and it's funny...becuase Finley and Bonner suck you somehow think anything I've said about Scola has changed.
They are completely unrelated...not a thing I've said about Scola has changed.
Not a thing. Nothing on my opinion of Scola has changed just because Finley and Bonner suck.
I still think the same things about him...and I still think the same thingd about them.
Do you get it?
Now...I have talked about your Scola.
We have now talked about Scola.
We have done so in the Spurs forum as the Spurs cracked in a playoff series.
We have now discussed Scola, because you brought him into this thread.
Anything else?
Are you happy now "Spur" fan?
If so then...adios.
Just out of curiosity have you ever been out-Whataburgered? Cuz if you haven't we should go to Whataburger right fucking now. I'm serious. I just smoked like four bowls of resin out of my bong (scraping that ho was a bitch though right brah?). Meet me there in 20 minutes, corner of Evans and 281.
You gotta pay too. I'm so broke I'm smoking Pall Malls.
Fail. Timvp brought Scola into the thread. Do you like getting owned Rocket fan. You are not a Spurs fan. You constantly rant about Scola and Barry. They are on the Rockets bro. If you love them so much, go to a Rockets board.
This is a Spurs board. Spurs are in a battle in the playoffs. If you cannot support the team "you root for", then GTFO.
I don't like Scola. I like Bonner for the Spurs more than what Scola can bring. Whott has me confused with someone else. I NEVER talk about the Rockets (meaning rocket talk comprises less than 1% of my posts).
Don't be a Jive Turkey. I asked Whott or now you to find any threads I started or posts I made about the Rockets and Scola. Please. I would love to see you try and dig and find some.
Whott talks about Scola more than anyone on this board. He talks about Barry more than anyone on this board. Then he confuses people with others and when he realizes it, just keeps going because it is impossible for him to say "oops".
I don't care if he plays for Team Fucking Argentina now...he played for the Spurs in 2005 when they won the championship I referenced, and his role on that team was taken over by Finley. There is no way I could bring that up without mentioning Barry.
Luis Scola never played for the Spurs, not in 2005, not in 2006, not in 2007.
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Either back the Spurs and move on or go to a Rockets board. No one give a sh*t about Rockets or their players right now..
You give a shit, you're the asking me questions about Scola, a player who has never played a second in a Spurs uniform.
timvp was getting owned and he pulled out some lame reference to Scola and Thomas that is inaccurate.
Same shit he always does when he's getting owned.
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Do you like getting owned Rocket fan. You are not a Spurs fan. You constantly rant about Scola and Barry. They are on the Rockets bro. If you love them so much, go to a Rockets board.
This is a Spurs board. Spurs are in a battle in the playoffs. If you cannot support the team "you root for", then GTFO.
Wow you're pretty pathetic making the claim I brought up Scola.
You think just because timvp's a goddamn admin it somehow changes the fact that ya'll brought him up and not me?
I broght up Brent Barryh an ex-Spur that a title with this team in 2005 and replaced by Finley the following year when this started showing a decided lack of character.
There is absolutely no way I could do that without mentioning Barry...
Scola OTOH has absolutely nothing to do with any championship team or this playoff series...
I don't give a fuck if timvp is admin of the world.
And I don't give a fuck what you guys think you have achieved by your little team up...it's not going to make you right.
So you admit it was not me who first brought Scola into this thread?
If that is the case, why did you not jump on Timvp before me and call him a Rocket fan that needs to post on a Rockets board?
Ok I get it now...you actually agree with me on Bonner, it's just that timvp is the admin and you are an admin asskisser type that figured he needed help to win an argument with me because the fact that he is the admin and board owner isn't enough?
Is that what you are saying...not that you actually agree with him, but you just figured he could use some help?
An echo if you will?
I mean what was your point bringing Scola up as an echo...did I go and seek you out and start asking questions?
Or are you just the type that likes to help the big dog in the fight? Even when he's wrong? And by your own admission you disagree with him?
Thanks for explaining it...the fact that you are both a Scola and Finley fan makes sense now.
Link?
Go back and see who first pointed out Finley shouldn't be praised for his game last night. And then apologize.
You have said Bonner is better than Scola. You have said that Scola is better than Thomas. You have said Bonner is better than Gooden. Don't deny facts.
Link?
Admin smack? Is this where you trade favors with the Mookie Crew so that they'll come in and back you up in threads?
It does not matter, Barry is a Rocket now and the Spurs are in a playoff dogfight. I never said you brought up Scola first. I simply said that by your logic, you are more of a Rocket fan than a Spurs fan, because you clearly talk about Scola/Barry more than anyone.
Timvp and I:http://www.wrestlingworld.it/Histori...legionlogo.jpg
Whottt getting owned again. Some things never change... :lmao
Yes, opening a thread on the 1st page of the forum = seeking you out. You are the one starting the "war of words" by jumping to stupid conclusions and calling me a Rocket fan when I rarely ever discuss the Rockets unless it pertains to the Spurs.
You say Barry played for the Spurs, so it is ok for you to talk about him. You act like Scola has no history with the Spurs, but clearly he does. Are you the one making the cutoffs for what constitutes what current Rockets one can discuss?
I am not "helping" anyone out. You are so paranoid about being wrong you really think people are ganging up on you :lmao. The whole point was to ask you a question that was going to lead to the discussion of clutch (Finley vs Bonner), but you had to run away in a different direction.
Go back and look at the post where I was blasting Finley for sucking and you turned it into a Barry quota post.
And have I said anything in this thread to indicate that opinion has changed?Quote:
You have said Bonner is better than Scola.
No, I haven't.
See above response.Quote:
You have said that Scola is better than Thomas. You have said Bonner is better than Gooden. Don't deny facts.
The Mookie crew are their own men and I argue with them as much as I do anyone, it's just not usually in the basketball forum.Quote:
Link?
Admin smack? Is this where you trade favors with the Mookie Crew so that they'll come in and back you up in threads?
Meanwhile...Finley sucks and changed the character of this team and no matter how many little Scola nutriders are on the board now throwing their support behind you...that hasn't changed.
JT is his own man too...it just so happens JT and I watched this loss together and were made fully aware of the Finley effect as Brandon Bass turned into Wilt against us in teh final seconds of the game.
Between the Finley factor and the sub a red hot Duncan until we are 5 points down with 5 mins to go in the 4th against a veteran team...this loss was not mysterious at all.
And I don't care what other posts you want to quote or bring up about Scola or whoever...that +/- is a freak and exposes Finley completely.
Fuck Finley.
Par.
Not sure how I accidentally uncovered that fact but that was pretty smooth :hat
What have I said that goes against this? Again, read the thread. Start on page 1.
Don't get mad because Barry turned into a Scola homer. It wasn't my fault. You just hitched your wagon to a douche.
Uh Barry is not Scola...Barry is a guy who played a key role in title won by a team that showed a tremendous amount of character, that was the intent behind my brining him up, and I was not merely referening to this game, but the character of this team since Finley became a major part of it at the direct expense of Barry...it had absolutely nothing to do with the Rockets, much like Scola has absolutely nothing to do with the Spurs.
Barry and Scola are not the same and bringing them is not the same...Barry was a Spur that won a title with this team, Scola isn't.
What happened to the Finley thread? It turned into an argument between Whott and DPG. :lol
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