How is that the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
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How is that the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The government doesn't pay for shit.
And Cavity searches should be unconstitutional. If you are going to go through that much trouble, god bless you.
I'm very surprised that people would for some reason gladly surrender their rights to the state. It makes no sense. Do you gladly submit to all higher authority, or just the government?
Shocking, to me. Not only is security replacing liberty as an object of civil reverence, liberty itself gets offered up as a willing tribute to it. Creepy.
There is a clear result of the Bush presidency. It is undeniable many people are now more comfortable with a more authoritative presence of the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
The right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. If the cop can not REASONABLY deduce you have drugs in your car, or a weapon, or something like that, then he shouldn't have that right. It's simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
If you get stopped for jaywalking, should a cop be able to search your person?
The government doesn't pay for the vehicle however. That is my property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Does that mean the government can, say, rifle through my pockets while I am walking down the sidewalk, if they paid for the sidewalk?
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4
Is an airport considered 'public property' in the same sense that a highway would?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some 'implied consent to be searched' at an airport as well, held up by some court ruling. I think that's BS as well... airport security is a joke.
Edit: I see FromWay already posted it. Nice to know my guesses were correct. :)
The real problem is the pigs are trained piss poor and to many Officer Powells are roaming our streets in squad cars. Some take advantage of their positions. Like I said before I have no problem if I am stopped in a car for them to search my ride. If I feel they did not have a reasonable cause for pulling me over in the first place or acted inappropriately I will file a complaint. Good news is most cop cars have video that record the entire instance.
Jimmy Smith (former NFL player) was pulled over because of over tinted windows. Just a traffic stop. Routine search finds crack in his car. Nice job. Another crackhead gets busted. Get that shit off the street!
This is no longer the land of Jefferson. Love of country has been bastardized into love of the state. Many don't distinguish between the two. Not to mention there's no understanding of our form of government and from whom and through what agreement it obtains its consent to govern. Loss of liberty is justified by provision of "security" (Franklin spoke about that once).Quote:
Originally Posted by sabar
It's interesting when our history is whitewashed in order to propagate the lie that this nation was founded as some kind of authoritarian nanny-state. Both major political parties engage in such revisionism. The Constitution is deemed a relic by politicians on the left and right (there's a good quote of GWB regarding this).
All institutions in our society seem geared towards keeping the people under control. Our schools turn out good little drones ready for corporate life. Our laws will be interpreted so as to protect your liberty so long as its the liberty that any red-blooded, God-fearing man (or his woman) accepts. The police will protect your liberty by stopping you at their whim and asking for your papers. The media is content to agitate the masses with the latest 48 media cycle hubub of the moment. All of this seems designed to force you, yes you, to serve the state (and its real benefactors). Nevermind that the contract you thought you were a party to which was ultimately designed to protect your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (yours, not that of some egoist running for public office) says otherwise.
We are a nation built on the premise of a free people, who are no longer free, but subservient chattle of the great red, white, & blue Leviathan of Washington DC (and its sponsors).
Perhaps Uncle Sam can start selling off naming rights to various national landmarks. Or cabinet level departments. Fuck it, it's time for a drink.
Why stop there? We should have random, surprise searches of all homes to find the crack and eliminate it from our society.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Who knows? Maybe those searches would turn up a random Muslim or two.
Within Article 1; Section 8:Quote:
Originally Posted by MiamiHeat
Technically, the government is suppose to build the roads. I would agree that to extend that means to maintain them as well. At least routs that the Postal Service uses.Quote:
To establish post offices and post roads;
Maybe we should increase the price of postage instead if increasing the gas tax?
If you're OK with them searching your car simply because it has the right description, then wouldn't it stand to reason that what they were looking for, you took inside the house?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Where do we cross that big grey line between reasonable and unreasonable?
No kidding. Let's not open such cans of worms. When does it stop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
One could say the same of things like warrantless wiretapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
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You assume because I did not wear my seat belt I am ok with them searching my house.:lol I would not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I would be OK if someone described my house in a crime to come search it. If a girl says she was raped there or kid molested. They can come right in and search away. No problem
Except that it is reasonable under the conditions they do it!Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
then why are you OK with searching your car? What probable cause do they have?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Oh yes, the old "Wild Cobra Reasonableness Test" carries the Constitutional day, yet again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Police officer was looking for a suspect and it happened I drove a car with the description. Thats why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
If a cop says I want to search ur house because u were not wearing ur seat belt, makes no sense to me so I would say no. Common Sense people. Common sense.
Why lose sleep over a cop taking a few minutes out of ur day to search ur trunk? People are worried about getting fucked over is why. I am not. Search away.
FYI. Protect urself. I have recording devices located in my ride and home. They did not cost much and it makes me feel better.
Exactly. Now that you are inside the house, and he's looking for a suspect, why not search your house?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Does it make sense to search your car because you're not wearing your seat belt?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
It doesn't to me. What am I missing?
Principle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
What probable cause did he have that shouldn't extent into your house?
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I thought I heard my name...