Miss California: Carrie Prejean

Carrie is a real winner, in my opinion- regardless of the outcome of the pageant.

I think it is awesome the way Carrie stood up for her beliefs and how she is handling the very public repercussions of her courageous choice.

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http://www.contracostatimes.com/news...174?source=rss

By Randy McMullen
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 04/21/2009 04:00:02 PM PDT
Updated: 04/21/2009 05:07:05 PM PDT


Still the center of a raging debate two days after her anti-gay-marriage remarks at the Miss USA pageant, Miss California Carrie Prejean went on the "Today" show Tuesday and maintained she was proud of what she had said.

During Sunday night's competition, Prejean was asked by openly gay celebrity blogger Perez Hilton, a judge in the pageant, if she felt all states should move toward allowing same-sex marriage.

She said, "I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman ... that's how I was raised." Besides setting off a firestorm of pro- and con-gay-marriage/freedom-of-speech twittering and blogging, the remark was widely believed to have cost her the crown. It also prompted Hilton to later post a nasty and unprintable rant about her on his massively popular Web site perezhilton.com.

"I was ready for my question, and when I heard it from (Perez), I knew at that moment after I'd answered the question, I knew that I was not going to win because of my answer," she said. "Because I had spoken from my heart, for my beliefs and for my God. ... It's not about being politically correct, for me, it's about being biblically correct."

Earlier in the day Prejean went on MSNBC's morning show, where she was asked about Hilton's attack on her.

"I can only say to him that I will be praying for him. I feel sorry for him, I really do," Prejean said. "I think he's angry, I think he's hurt.


Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. He asked me specifically what my opinion was on that subject and I gave him an honest answer."

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Oh god. This.

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It's not about being politically correct, for me, it's about being biblically correct."

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I saw Carrie's interview with Sean Hannity and heard her say that.

She is an amazing woman- self assured and at the same time incredibly gracious.

Ms. Prejean's personal integrity is totally respectable IMO, but what she said apparently wasn't.

C'est la guerre. She whacked the hornet's nest and she (probably) knew it.

I applaud her for standing up for what she believes and not taking the "easy" route. that is the problem with most phony liberals today .... especially in Hollywood and show business. they are so concerned about what the trendy political views are that they would rather sell themselves out just to fit in with the crowd.

for many examples .... go look about 95% of Hollywood actors and actresses.

The way she said it was problematic- not what she believes. That quote intentionally left out part of it where she said "IN MY COUNTRY."

My bible teaches compassion and the example of how Jesus dealt with those brought to him in sexual sin displays that.

I don't really have a problem with her saying that. I also don't have a problem with other people wacking her for it. Go tolerance!

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Originally Posted by ploto

The way she said it was problematic- not what she believes. That quote intentionally left out part of it where she said "IN MY COUNTRY."

My bible teaches compassion and the example of how Jesus dealt with those brought to him in sexual sin displays that.

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I agree to an extent with you on the "my country" part. She could have left that out, but it was probably just nerves talking there and her stuttering to find the right words. who knows..... HOWEVER. ... if it would have been the OTHER WAY around and she was SUPPORTING gay marriage and said "in my country", no one would have gave a damn....... oh and she would have won the competition.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

I don't really have a problem with her saying that. I also don't have a problem with other people wacking her for it.

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Right. It's freedom of speech, not freedom from speech, or more accurately, freedom from criticism.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Oh god. This.

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I'd have to agree. But the news cycle beast must be fed.

Bigotry Forum.

I knew better than to put this in the Club.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

Bigotry Forum.

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blah .. go back to jacking off to re-runs of Bill Maher

I personally believe that if we just gave U.S. Americans a bunch of maps this would all work itself out.

I guess standing up for your beliefs is admirable, but she's dumb if she wanted to win the pageant. I thought all these girls attended the same PC training camp for answering those questions.


I have to give her an "F" for her pageantry skills.

I wonder if that worthless fuck realizes he's just given the anti-gay marriage movement a new hero. Good job, moron. Stick to the tabloid shit.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I guess standing up for your beliefs is admirable, but she's dumb if she wanted to win the pageant. I thought all these girls attended the same PC training camp for answering those questions.


I have to give her an "F" for her pageantry skills.

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son that goes back to what I said above .... she chose to be REAL and not another phony show business liberal. She said what she truly believed instead of selling herself out just to give them what they wanted.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

Carrie is a real winner, in my opinion- regardless of the outcome of the pageant.

I think it is awesome the way Carrie stood up for her beliefs and how she is handling the very public repercussions of her courageous choice.

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Why do you hate gay people? I don't see why gays marrying is such an issue. Do you think they are any less gay if you stop them from getting married? Maybe they will stop being gay all together if we don't allow them to marry.

What if someone singled you out and said you couldn't get married because you are a nut job? It's dangerous for crazy people like you to get married because you usually marry other crazy people, and everyone knows how scary it is when two crazy people get together..

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I personally believe that if we just gave U.S. Americans a bunch of maps this would all work itself out.

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We're all US Americans, after all.

I sincelrely hope Perez chokes on a cock sandwich.

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Originally Posted by ratm1221

Why do you hate gay people? I don't see why gays marrying is such an issue. Do you think they are any less gay if you stop them from getting married? Maybe they will stop being gay all together if we don't allow them to marry.

What if someone singled you out and said you couldn't get married because you are a nut job? It's dangerous for crazy people like you to get married because you usually marry other crazy people, and everyone knows how scary it is when two crazy people get together..

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How exactly is opposition evidence of hate?

And since I'll undoubtedly have to submit to the gay inquisition my views on the matter, I think the state should get out of the marriage business altogether and people legally free to enter into a marriage contract between whoever and however many individuals they wish.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

We're all US Americans, after all.

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Gays are just plain Americans. They only wish they could be US Americans.

Before I forget, why is it that Mav Fan is consistently the worst poster in this forum? I've seen Mav Fan on the right and left distinguish themselves in this forum. Got damn the Metroplex is a fucking shithole.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

How exactly is opposition evidence of hate?

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Hate - the emotion of intense dislike; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action

I think of a better word to describe the anti-gay-marriage movement.

I see no evidence of said emotion.

I'm so proud of her.

She chose to be a bigot all on her own. How admirable. She believes in discrimination based on her opinion. We should all stop and applaud this.

Now if you were to ask me if I "hate" Mav Fan and most other Dallasites (yes, pronounced like parasites), I'd have to answer in the affirmative.

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Originally Posted by ratm1221

Why do you hate gay people? I don't see why gays marrying is such an issue. Do you think they are any less gay if you stop them from getting married? Maybe they will stop being gay all together if we don't allow them to marry.

What if someone singled you out and said you couldn't get married because you are a nut job? It's dangerous for crazy people like you to get married because you usually marry other crazy people, and everyone knows how scary it is when two crazy people get together..

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Though I strongly disapprove of the practice of homosexuality, I do not in any way, shape, or form hate gay people.
On the contrary, a much loved, longtime friend of my family was homosexual.
I say was because he moved away when he got aids and has secluded himself since.
He does not want to be found and so I no longer have contact with him.

While it is true that I believe that a marriage ought to be between a man and one woman, only, this is not what the thread was meant to be about.

I feel that it is of the utmost importance for each of us to know what we believe and to stand up for our beliefs, no matter what the cost.
That is exactly what Carrie Prejean did and I greatly respect her for it.

That was the point of this thread.

I thinks it's ok that she said what she said... even though her delivery made her look kinda dumb.

Now I just don't give a fuck about her because she was literally on every Fox News show yesterday. She's gonna end up better off than Miss South Carolina just based on all the political exposure she's gonna get. She'll be used like a female Joe the Plumber (gags).

And Perez Hilton reacted like a little bitch when he bitched and moaned on his video blog. How the fuck is someone like that a judge for Miss America.

:lol I love how people who are discriminatory against gays always start their sentences with "one of my best friends is gay"... it's like it gives them credence because they know someone.

gay marriage is gonna happen. It's a constitutional inevitability.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

I say was because he moved away when he got aids and has secluded himself since.

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:lmao I don't know why but :lmao

A question at a beauty pageant by a trashy gossip merchant leads to martyrdom of a beauty contestant and subsequent tour of heroic interviews on sensationalist cable news programs.

Holy shit, I can't think of a single thing I could add to this story to make it more irritating.

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Originally Posted by jman3000

:lol I love how people who are discriminatory against gays always start their sentences with "one of my best friends is gay"... it's like it gives them credence because they know someone.

gay marriage is gonna happen. It's a constitutional inevitability.

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son its just like people saying ... "I'm not racist! I have plenty of black friends!" ... yet they would choose a white person over a black any day.

It's Miss USA -- an important distinction.

I don't think that kind of question should be asked in a beauty pageant. I don't know why they even have Q&A or "talent" portions of the contest.

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Originally Posted by jman3000

:lol I love how people who are discriminatory against gays always start their sentences with "one of my best friends is gay"... it's like it gives them credence because they know someone.

gay marriage is gonna happen. It's a constitutional inevitability.

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Its how bigots make themselves feel not so bigotty.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

:lmao I don't know why but :lmao

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I don't know why you are laughing either.

My close friend feels so overwhelmed and ashamed about how his life has turned out that he believes his best option is to die alone.

What about that amuses you?

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Originally Posted by spurminator

a question at a beauty pageant by a trashy gossip merchant leads to martyrdom of a beauty contestant and subsequent tour of heroic interviews on sensationalist cable news programs.

Holy shit, i can't think of a single thing i could add to this story to make it more irritating.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

A question at a beauty pageant by a trashy gossip merchant leads to martyrdom of a beauty contestant and subsequent tour of heroic interviews on sensationalist cable news programs.

Holy shit, I can't think of a single thing I could add to this story to make it more irritating.

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The inevitable protests, counter-protests, and book deal.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

I'm so proud of her.

She chose to be a bigot all on her own. How admirable. She believes in discrimination based on her opinion. We should all stop and applaud this.

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so just because she doesn't believe in gay marriage makes her a bigot? wow you really are fucking stupid. how is she discriminating? dude seriously ... turn Bill Maher and MSNBC off for a few minutes and take a break.

Also I find it hilarious and pathetic how people try to compare gay marriage to the civil rights movement ... as if black people CHOSE to be black. what a joke and a slap to the face to African Americans for even mentioning gay marriage in the same sentence. being gay is a lifestyle choice and sexual preference. boo fucking hoo if they can't get married ... whats next? people wanting to marry dogs and cats with the argument "well they are living creatures and I love my poodle!! how dare you discriminate against me you bigot!!" ... just give it time and I am sure we will see shit like that as well.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

I don't know why you are laughing either.

My close friend feels so overwhelmed and ashamed about how his life has turned out that he believes his best option is to die alone.

What about that amuses you?

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I bet he now feels that he shouldn't have been gay and perhaps led a life at the mercy of god.

Its funny because there is no way possible for you to have known a gay person not dying of AIDS. I just knew the moment I read that you had a so-called gay friend the story would end with his demise from a gay related sickness. Deep down inside your heart you feel he had it coming or deserved it. Release your anger onto us...

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Before I forget, why is it that Mav Fan is consistently the worst poster in this forum? I've seen Mav Fan on the right and left distinguish themselves in this forum. Got damn the Metroplex is a fucking shithole.

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Why is Sperm Fan consistently a douche? Some things will just have to remain a mystery...

Why does Mav Fan constantly think about sperm and douching?

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

so just because she doesn't believe in gay marriage makes her a bigot? wow you really are fucking stupid. how is she discriminating? dude seriously ... turn Bill Maher and MSNBC off for a few minutes and take a break.

Also I find it hilarious and pathetic how people try to compare gay marriage to the civil rights movement ... as if black people CHOSE to be black. what a joke and a slap to the face to African Americans for even mentioning gay marriage in the same sentence. being gay is a lifestyle choice and sexual preference. boo fucking hoo if they can't get married ... whats next? people wanting to marry dogs and cats with the argument "well they are living creatures and I love my poodle!!"

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Did I say black people? How typical of a black man to make this all about the trials and tribulation that he never lived.

Bigot:

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

She fits it to a T.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

whats next? people wanting to marry dogs and cats with the argument "well they are living creatures and I love my poodle!! how dare you discriminate against me you bigot!!" ... just give it time and I am sure we will see shit like that as well.

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There it is -- the completely refutable, totally asinine slippery slope argument.

With the line set at 25 posts, I took the under. I don't know whether to be happy to have lost (because it took long than expected to get there) or sad to have lost (because this indefensible crap keeps getting play in this debate).

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Why does Mav Fan constantly think about sperm and douching?

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I believe someone is an in-the-closet mav fan... :lmao

Fox News DOES have some hot bitches on screen all the time.

Courtney Friel? Yes please.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

Did I say black people? How typical of a black man to make this all about the trials and tribulation that he never lived.

Bigot:

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

She fits it to a T.

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typical coming from a RACIST phony piece of shit like you ....

please learn how to read and comprehend son. I never ONCE said that you said any of that .... I clearly put the paragraph about the civil rights movement separate from the first paragraph which I addressed your nonsense. It needed to be brought up because MANY people believe that the gay marriage issue is just like the civil rights movement and its not.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

I bet he now feels that he shouldn't have been gay and perhaps led a life at the mercy of god.

Its funny because there is no way possible for you to have known a gay person not dying of AIDS. I just knew the moment I read that you had a so-called gay friend the story would end with his demise from a gay related sickness. Deep down inside your heart you feel he had it coming or deserved it. Release your anger onto us...

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The friend was like a father to me after my own dad died.
Losing my friend was like losing a father all over again and is one of my greatest losses to date.

I have nothing but compassion for my friend and his condition.

I also have a great deal of pity for you.
You are speaking ignorance.

I love mav fan. One of my closest friends is a mav fan.

He got the AIDS and died... but he was totally my friend.

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Originally Posted by jman3000

Fox News DOES have some hot bitches on screen all the time.

Courtney Friel? Yes please.

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that comes to no surprise though ... Republican women are much hotter than liberal Democrat trash.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

so just because she doesn't believe in gay marriage makes her a bigot? wow you really are fucking stupid. how is she discriminating? dude seriously ... turn Bill Maher and MSNBC off for a few minutes and take a break.

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You started off well............

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Also I find it hilarious and pathetic how people try to compare gay marriage to the civil rights movement ... as if black people CHOSE to be black. what a joke and a slap to the face to African Americans for even mentioning gay marriage in the same sentence. being gay is a lifestyle choice and sexual preference. boo fucking hoo if they can't get married ... whats next? people wanting to marry dogs and cats with the argument "well they are living creatures and I love my poodle!! how dare you discriminate against me you bigot!!" ... just give it time and I am sure we will see shit like that as well.

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............and then it all fell apart. So what if gays get to start filing joint tax returns just like you do? Boo fucking hoo.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

typical coming from a RACIST phony piece of shit like you ....

please learn how to read and comprehend son. I never ONCE said that you said any of that .... I clearly put the paragraph about the civil rights movement separate from the first paragraph which I addressed your nonsense. It needed to be brought up because MANY people believe that the gay marriage issue is just like the civil rights movement and its not.

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oh its not racism I just think because of my religion that the blacks are bad. I mean I don't want one of you going out and shooting the other or bickering over who gets the last swig from the 40oz, its all good my Bro. I just don't want you guys loitering in my nice clean neighborhood.

I don't really care about gay marriage, but once again the liberal/homo side comes out in full force to tear down a person for disagreeing with their supreme command.

Nothing new.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

The friend was like a father to me after my own dad died.
Losing my friend was like losing a father all over again and is one of my greatest losses to date.

I have nothing but compassion for my friend and his condition.

I also have a great deal of pity for you.
You are speaking ignorance.

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Fair enough but having had a gay person so close to you how can you justify your bigotry when it comes to getting equal rights.

This man meant so much to you but and you still can't treat him like an equal. Does.Not.Compute.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Why does Mav Fan constantly think about sperm and douching?

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

oh its not racism I just think because of my religion that the blacks are bad. I mean I don't want one of you going out and shooting the other or bickering over who gets the last swig from the 40oz, its all good my Bro. I just don't want you guys loitering in my nice clean neighborhood.

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BR is white.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

You started off well............



............and then it all fell apart. So what if gays get to start filing joint tax returns just like you do? Boo fucking hoo.

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son I don't give a shit if they get married or not. I'm not going to go march and protest EITHER way. to me personally I could careless .... but I am not blind. I see lop sided media coverage on it and this Miss California / Hilton shit shows just how bad our country has gotten. You can't DARE have a different opinion than the way liberals view things or else you are called a bigot and ran out of town ... in her case, the liberal judges voted against her simply because she didn't bow down and kiss gay ass like they wanted her to.

Its funny though that no matter how hard MOST media/entertainment like CNN, MSNBC, MTV, and Hollywood tries to cram homosexuality down American's throats .... the over whelming majority of the country is against gay marriage.... and it will stay that way.

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Originally Posted by FaithInOne

I don't really care about gay marriage, but once again the liberal/homo side comes out in full force to tear down a person for disagreeing with their supreme command.

Nothing new.

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exactly ... that's the problem. if you don't agree with THEIR OPINIONS, then you are attacked.

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the over whelming majority of the country is against gay marriage.... and it will stay that way.

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It is not an overwhelming majority and probably will not stay a majority much longer. Once gay marriage becomes common in the places it is legal and the world doesn't end because of it, things will move along rather quickly in most states.

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Originally Posted by jman3000

BR is white.

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Bullshit. No way that koonass is white.

I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It is not an overwhelming majority and probably will not stay a majority much longer.

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BS .... go look up the stats son. I would say that over the next 10-20 years maybe 6-8 states will allow it. LOL not even the most liberal state in the country could pass it.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It is not an overwhelming majority and probably will not stay a majority much longer. Once gay marriage becomes common in the places it is legal and the world doesn't end because of it, things will move along rather quickly in most states.

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keep telling yourself that.

This girl is an overnight hero and has hours of television and maybe even a book deal in her future. She will be booked for more speaking engagements than the REAL Miss USA, and her term doesn't end in a year.

How is she a *victim* of the liberal establishment???

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

BS .... go look up the stats son.

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I did.

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I would say that over the next 10-20 years maybe 6-8 states will allow it. LOL not even the most liberal state in the country could pass it.

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A generation is about right. Like I said, the world won't end and they won't give everybody gay, so it will happen.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

Fair enough but having had a gay person so close to you how can you justify your bigotry when it comes to getting equal rights.

This man meant so much to you but and you still can't treat him like an equal. Does.Not.Compute.

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I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

Just like I do not object to there being gyms which are for women only or the fact that I as a female cannot get a haircut at Sports Clips, which is a salon for men only, I feel that marriage as an institution ought to be reserved only for one man and one woman.

I don't feel that the same sexes should marry. I also do not feel that men should have mulitiple wives.

As far as legal rights for homesexuals go, I am more liberal than you might expect.

I believe as a citizen, homosexuals have the right to chose to live together, to purchase property together, to share a phone plan, visit each other in the hospital as a family member, and even to adopt kids, although I do not support the latter practice. ( I believe kids ought to be raised by a male father and a female mother.)

The bottom line is I view marriage as a privilege and one ought to be extended to adult heterosexuals only.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

keep telling yourself that.

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It's not that important to me, so I don't need to keep telling myself that. Just an observation. Apparently it is VERY important to you.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

The bottom line is I view marriage as a privilege and one that has been traditionally and is rightly extended to adult heterosexuals only.

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That statement is inaccurate.

Men fucking men. Still makes me laugh and cringe. Obviously its not against the law to suck each other off so it should not be against the law to get married. After they are married maybe they will stop sucking each other off.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

This girl is an overnight hero and has hours of television and maybe even a book deal in her future. She will be booked for more speaking engagements than the REAL Miss USA, and her term doesn't end in a year.

How is she a *victim* of the liberal establishment???

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Beauty queen runners-up and 6-figure plumbers...

The Right sure picks some interesting heroes.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It's not that important to me, so I don't need to keep telling myself that. Just an observation. Apparently it is VERY important to you.

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LMAO gimme a break. I could careless about them fucking each other in the ass and spreading STD's and Aids throughout the gay community .... you care just as much about it and you know it. or else you wouldn't be in this thread going ape shit over the topic.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

That statement is inaccurate.

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You're right. I should have just said ought to be.

I'll fix it.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

son I don't give a shit if they get married or not. I'm not going to go march and protest EITHER way. to me personally I could careless .... but I am not blind. I see lop sided media coverage on it and this Miss California / Hilton shit shows just how bad our country has gotten. You can't DARE have a different opinion than the way liberals view things or else you are called a bigot and ran out of town ... in her case, the liberal judges voted against her simply because she didn't bow down and kiss gay ass like they wanted her to.

Its funny though that no matter how hard MOST media/entertainment like CNN, MSNBC, MTV, and Hollywood tries to cram homosexuality down American's throats .... the over whelming majority of the country is against gay marriage.... and it will stay that way.

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I'm in complete agreement with you that being opposed to gay marriage does not automatically make one a bigot. But if you truly don't care whether or not gays get married, why the references to marrying animals and the alleged insult to blacks for gays to try to draw similarities between their plights?

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I'm in complete agreement with you that being opposed to gay marriage does not automatically make one a bigot. But if you truly don't care whether or not gays get married, why the references to marrying animals and the alleged insult to blacks for gays to try to draw similarities between their plights?

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why not reference it??? ....

all you have to do is turn on the TV and hear gay people comparing this to the civil rights movement. that is a total joke.

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Originally Posted by BacktoBasics

Bigot:

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

She fits it to a T.

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So does the judge.

Opposing gay marriage is by definition bigotry.

Think what you want but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Men fucking men. Still makes me laugh and cringe. Obviously its not against the law to suck each other off so it should not be against the law to get married. After they are married maybe they will stop sucking each other off.

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Jealous much?

Being gay isn't 100% about the sex. The topic is gay marriage and a would be Miss America.

Why are you mining the theme of gay oral sex, Jack? Is it relevant to you in some way?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Jealous much?

Being gay isn't 100% about the sex. The topic is gay marriage and a would be Miss America.

Why are you mining the theme of gay oral sex, Jack? Is it relevant to you in some way?

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:lol its called a joke. Don't be so serious all the time.

back to basics you are just as much a bigot as anyone else ... since you love throwing that word around so much.

you criticize ANYONE who disagrees with YOUR politics and the way Bill Maher tells you to view things. grow up bitch

America needs a return to traditional marriage: polygamy via property/monetary trades with the bride's parents.

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Originally Posted by BRHornet45

back to basics you are just as much a bigot as anyone else ... since you love throwing that word around so much.

you criticize ANYONE who disagrees with YOUR politics and the way Bill Maher tells you to view things. grow up bitch

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Whatever helps your bigoted conscious sleep at night.

You got a real hardon for Bill Maher don't you. I guess I can't form a statement or have an opinion without you pinning the blame on some kind of media persona. How very unclever of you. I criticize anyone who disagrees with my politics??? Really? You and I both know I've never done that. :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

:lol its called a joke. Don't be so serious all the time.

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It was slightly funny. Like a mother in law joke, kinda hacky, but it has detectible humor.

let the fags get married would have been a better response than what this bible thumper gave
stupid whore

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

......and the alleged insult to blacks for gays to try to draw similarities between their plights?

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it's an insult because the similarities are extremely few and far between....... especially considering it was legal in America to beat the crap out of a Black man along with other things that gays have not ever had to endure in this country.

I also think that Perez had no business being a judge, no business asking that loaded question to a friggin beauty pageant chick, and no business blowing up on his website.

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Originally Posted by Blake

it's an insult because the similarities are extremely few and far between....... especially considering it was legal in America to beat the crap out of a Black man [among other things] that gays have not ever had to endure in this country.

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I see. So if we just make it legal to beat up gays then their claims will have equal merit. It's like a gang initiation thing. Gotta get your ass kicked before you can join the club.

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Originally Posted by Blake

it's an insult because the similarities are extremely few and far between....... especially considering it was legal in America to beat the crap out of a Black man [among other things] that gays have not ever had to endure in this country.

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Final answer?

In Alamo Heights (this would be mid eighties) guys bragged about dragging the bushes and beating the bathrooms at Olmos Park for queers. Baseball bats were just the thing for it.

Whereas I thought it was unseemly to cruise Olmos Park for any reason. Each to his own taste. Even if the stories I heard are total bs, the bolded above is obviously overqualified, to the point of being total bs itself.

If you want to say racism and homophobia are don't bear much comparison, that is one thing, but you just suggested gays *have not ever had to endure* bigoted violence and random terror.

IMO this opinion is objectively false.

Whether or not you agree with her, that insipid little faggot (see, I can hurl insults just like the idiot Perez) asked for her OPINION, and he got it! He had no business asking such a politically loaded question.

This is still America and people have a right to their own opinions. She didn't say everyone should feel the way she did - she just said that was the way she was raised and that's what she believes.

The fact that she's being attacked by the left shows that tolerance only goes one way. The only thing they tolerate are views that they agree with!

But I love how it's backfired so gloriously against Perez and the rest of his hateful crowd!

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Originally Posted by Crookshanks

Whether or not you agree with her, that insipid little faggot (see, I can hurl insults just like the idiot Perez) asked for her OPINION, and he got it! He had no business asking such a politically loaded question.

This is still America and people have a right to their own opinions. She didn't say everyone should feel the way she did - she just said that was the way she was raised and that's what she believes.

The fact that she's being attacked by the left shows that tolerance only goes one way. The only thing they tolerate are views that they agree with!

But I love how it's backfired so gloriously against Perez and the rest of his hateful crowd!

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People have a right to think she is an idiot and express that, even if it does get the right all butthurt.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I see. So if we just make it legal to beat up gays then their claims will have equal merit. It's like a gang initiation thing. Gotta get your ass kicked before you can join the club.

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If it were ever legal to beat up gays, then absolutely their claims have equal merit.

OIC, it's a measuring contest. Whose victimhood is more worthy.

I think I'll leave that to the self-appointed actuaries of PC and get on with my life thanks.



Do continue, Blake.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Final answer?

In Alamo Heights (this would be mid eighties) guys bragged about dragging the bushes and beating the bathrooms at Olmos Park for queers. Baseball bats were just the thing for it.

Whereas I thought it was unseemly to cruise Olmos Park for any reason. Each to his own taste. Even if the stories I heard are total bs, the bolded above is obviously overqualified, to the point of being total bs itself.

If you want to say racism and homophobia are don't bear much comparison, that is one thing, but you just said gays *have not ever had to endure* bigoted violence.

IMO this opinion is objectively false.

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In Alamo Heights in the mid 80s it was illegal to hit a "queer" with a baseball bat.

I may have not worded my post the way I meant it to sound.

I meant that gays have never had to endure legal beatings among many other legal things a white man could do to a black man.

There are plenty of instances that people that were different than others were dragged back into some bushes to get the crap beat out of them, whether it was for physical or even philosophical differences.

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OIC, it's a measuring contest. Whose victimhood is more worthy.

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Legally speaking, in what way(s) have gays been victims?

If a gay man and a gay woman want to get married; I think they can, can't they?

See. No discrimination.

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Originally Posted by Blake

In Alamo Heights in the mid 80s it was illegal to hit a "queer" with a baseball bat.

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It wasn't much punished that I saw, but then again, maybe it never happened.

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Originally Posted by Blake

I may have not worded my post the way I meant it to sound.

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Ok. That could happen to anybody.

Maybe I overread you a little. Sorry about that, Blake.

I think she answered it honestly and good for her. She's smart enough to take advantage of the situation presented her.

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Legally speaking, in what way(s) have gays been victims?

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If I was a little more bored than I am right now, I might look into that for you.

I'll confess to knowing not very much about it.

I have more of a problem with the fact she seemed rather stupid than with her opinion. She did not have a clear way of expressing what she believed nor did she exhibit any depth of thought with regards to the issue. She could have discussed ways the state can insure legal rights for same sex couples without the institution of marriage, but she did not.

And while Hilton is a tool, her response is just to say she will pray for him rather than to discuss the issue being raised. She epitomizes what bothers people about those who claim to be religious but have no apparent depth of examination.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

Carrie is a real winner, in my opinion- regardless of the outcome of the pageant.

I think it is awesome the way Carrie stood up for her beliefs and how she is handling the very public repercussions of her courageous choice.

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There's nothing courageous about promoting the status quo.

Sandra would have nailed that question.
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