Reid splits from Pelosi on torture.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Do die hard Democrats even like Pelosi?

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I frickin' hope not. Partisianship has to have limits, doesnt it?

Dont know anymore reading around here for 4 years...

While I am certainly open to the possibility Pelosi is lying, I am confused why board Republicans would care when Pelosi knew about waterboarding.

That implies there is something wrong with the practice.

republicans don't like her pretending not to be as sadistic as they are.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

While I am certainly open to the possibility Pelosi is lying, I am confused why board Republicans would care when Pelosi knew about waterboarding.

That implies there is something wrong with the practice.

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No it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

No it doesn't.

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So why is it a big deal to you?

It just reveals the Speaker for the political opportunist she is. It's of the same ilk as all those that declared Saddam Hussein a threat and possessor of weapons of mass destruction -- right up to the day they saw President Bush was serious about eliminating the threat and would, therefore, gain a political advantage.

With Democrats, it's all political.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

It just reveals the Speaker for the political opportunist she is. It's of the same ilk as all those that declared Saddam Hussein a threat and possessor of weapons of mass destruction -- right up to the day they saw President Bush was serious about eliminating the threat and would, therefore, gain a political advantage.

With Democrats, it's all political.

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If the Republicans didn't operate exactly the same way, there might be a point to that.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If the Republicans didn't operate exactly the same way, there might be a point to that.

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aaaaaand, game.

Thats the story in a nutshell. The sooner people accept this fact, the faster something might change (not you, CD).

CIA releases document detailing Congressional briefings on torture.

Pelosi was briefed about the techniques. Maybe its time for the Reaganesque *I don't recall* routine.

Only Harman and Rockefeller registered any formal protest. they wrote letters. Speaking out publicly about the briefings at the time would've been a criminal offense.


Via Raw Story and WSJ

Lagniappe:

Then SECDEF Cheney withdrew at least seven School for the Americas training manuals in 1991 for their *inconsistency* with US law.

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The manuals were mistakenly based on what the Pentagon called ''old material'' reflecting policies of the 1960's that have been scrapped.


The Pentagon said it destroyed all the manuals in its possession -- except for one copy of each kept by its general counsel -- after the passages were discovered. The Army's Southern Command notified governments in Latin America that ''the manuals contained passages that did not represent U.S. Government policy,'' according to the statement

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Leon Panetta refuses to guarantee the reliability of the document in #34.

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(UIIFOUO) This letter presents the most thorough
information we have on dates, locations, and names of all
Members of Congress who were briefed by the CIA on enhanced
interrogation techniques. This information, however, is drawn
from the past files of the CIA and represents MFRs completed at
the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of
those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have
to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of
what actually happened.

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For the love of Saint Pete, please leave my Pelosi out of this :nope

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

When they were in the minority?

That is very believable.

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There were stories about waterboarding detainees in the press, and yet Pelosi didn't know? :lol

We're talking about briefings, before the news reports. The administration was pretty selective about what it told congressional leaders of both parties -- so I would believe it either way. If it matters, I'm completely fine with calling Pelosi out if she's lying about this.