i remember one time Timvp..

Bonner is annoyingly white...and has an ugly shot...

Nobody puts Bonner in a corner. Nobody. :nope

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Malik Rose = scrappy, hustle player
Matt Bonner = scrappy, hustle player

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couldn't Malik actually grab a rebound now and then though?

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Originally Posted by peskypesky

couldn't Malik actually grab a rebound now and then though?

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Just for comparison's sake:

Malik Rose career rebounds per 36 minutes: 9.1
Matt Bonner career rebounds/36 min: 7.0

(Rebounds per 36 minutes courtesy basketball-reference.com, so I don't have to calculate things myself)

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Originally Posted by lurker23

Just for comparison's sake:

Malik Rose career rebounds per 36 minutes: 9.1
Matt Bonner career rebounds/36 min: 7.0

(Rebounds per 36 minutes courtesy basketball-reference.com, so I don't have to calculate things myself)

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Also found some good rebounds per 48 minutes stats, courtesy ESPN.com. Here are some comparable players for this season, all in rebounds per 48 minutes:

Michael Beasley: 10.5
David West: 10.4
LaMarcus Aldridge: 9.7
Matt Bonner: 9.6
Hakim Warrick: 9.6
Rasho Nesterovic: 9.5
Glen Davis: 8.8
Hilton Armstrong: 8.6

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Offensively. Defensively, he's had the best stretch of his career IMO these last 3 games. After a tough game in foul trouble and looking like he couldn't contribute even defensively in Game 1, he's come back extreme strong both physically and mentally against Dirk. The fact he doesn't rebound has much to do with him guarding Dirk on one end and being Bonner on the other, rather than just being Bonner on one end and guarding a conventional big man on defense.

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Don't confuse Dirk's chokeness with Bonner being awesome on defense.

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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded

There was a scene from the first half yesterday where Parker was doing his thing and dished to Bonner in a the corner Bowen spot. Bonner leaned over and tried to reach the ball without unsetting his feet, lost his balance, the ball was turned over. This was a parallel crossover twilight zone thing of Hedo Turkoglu in the Laker series. Hedo refused to unset his feet, at the cost of allowing a ball to zip right by him, turning it over, and not even getting a shot off.
It made me sad.

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i remember that. Bonner was figed on this action. a statue. but Tony's pass wasn't very precise either.

I saw Tony throw some of this "lazy", imprecise pass to open teamates, he needs to be more careful about it. We're talking about 1 or 2 times in a game but that could still count.

Tony needs to be in a very very relaxed and confident mindset to shoot the ball well, almost nonchalant and sometimes that could affect his passing and ball handling skills, where he needs a more focused and careful attitude.

Bonner's a bench player who's being forced to start, he's a forward who's being forced to play center, and he's routinely given minutes covering the most talented scoring bigs in the game. To suggest that his defense has been anything other than excellent shows complete ignorance of the game. Bonner has consistently been the best individual defender on the Spurs this year.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Bonner's a bench player who's being forced to start, he's a forward who's being forced to play center, and he's routinely given minutes covering the most talented scoring bigs in the game. To suggest that his defense has been anything other than excellent shows complete ignorance of the game. Bonner has consistently been the best individual defender on the Spurs this year.

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Bonner has done a good job on Dirk. but he has been weak on the board and the fact that he has to stay behind the 3pts line on offense and stay also in the perimeter on defense on Dirk doesn't help him to grab rebounds. That and Tim not being dominant on the glass make us a very weak rebounding team when Tim and Bonner are together on the court as our big men.

I remember one time timvp gave spurs 40% of chance winning the 1st round series against Dallas, and people were trying to force him to get the percent above 50%.

Bonner and Finley are one and the same...but the Spurs have treated them like they should be major contributors. Bonner is somewhat understandable with our thin front line. As others have mentioned, we needed the scoring to make up for the loss of Manu.

It is what it is. All of us had worries about Bonner's ability to show up on the big stage, just like we said failure was likely imminent if Finley was playing 25+ minutes when the playoffs got here. Combine that with the Manu injury and the mishandling of the Hill/Mason situation and the recipe for disaster was complete.

I have also done my fair share of hating on Bonner, but the events that have transpired are far from his fault. I think Bonner can be a decent role player on this team, but he needs to go back to the bench and play the role that his potential will allow him to play.

With the exception of game 2, all series, when Dirk needed to make a bucket, he was able to get any shot he wanted on Bonner, with ease, including the bucket that pretty much iced it in G4. Other than that, Dirk has pretty much been letting Howard, Barea, and Kidd be the stars of the series, stepping in only when needed. A lot of that is because the Spurs have been running double teams at Dirk the moment he puts the ball on the floor, not because of Bonner's defense.

Bonner sucks, and its comical that people even begin to think that he truly has done a good job on Dirk.

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With the exception of game 2, all series, when Dirk needed to make a bucket, he was able to get any shot he wanted on Bonner, with ease, including the bucket that pretty much iced it in G4. Other than that, Dirk has pretty much been letting Howard, Barea, and Kidd be the stars of the series, stepping in only when needed. A lot of that is because the Spurs have been running double teams at Dirk the moment he puts the ball on the floor, not because of Bonner's defense.

Bonner sucks, and its comical that people even begin to think that he truly has done a good job on Dirk.

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Dirk, overall on the whole serie, has missed 56 % of his shots. that's hardly "getting any shot he wanted".

Please don't forget we're sending double and triple teams at Dirk. It's not like Matt is guarding that guy one on one.

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Originally Posted by kace

Dirk, overall on the whole serie, has missed 56 % of his shots. that's hardly "getting any shot he wanted".

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umm..

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Please don't forget we're sending double and triple teams at Dirk. It's not like Matt is guarding that guy one on one.

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Thank you.

Most of the times Dirk has actually gotten one-on-one situations with Bonner, he was able to get any shot he wanted. See the end of G4.

Hedo sure didn't choke last night.

Meanwhile in Houston....

My boy works there as an engineer and he reminds me daily.

It's not Bonner's fault, but still don't make excuses and give him props for doing the best he can...

He's not the type of big to start along with Duncan, not what Duncan needs in this point of his career.

And Duncan being injured magnifies it all, so does the playoffs.

I appreciate Bonner, but not as the starting center for the Spurs.

But the Spurs have more reasons than Bonner for this years fiasco.

us spurs fans are brats, bonner did well in the regular season, yah, he's just having a hard time in the playoffs. but you gotta remember, this is his first playoffs he's played with such a big role. he was a bench warmer in playoffs past.