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This country is fucked.
What does fucked even mean? If the economy completely turns on us, what's the worst that'll happen? We can't all have plasma screen TV's and new laptops every two years? Our athletes won't be making 20 million a year? Retirement doesn't exist? Instead of steak and lobster we have to eat spaghetti more? I mean, if we are fucked and there's an accompanying drop in quality of life, I for one don't care. That shit doesn't matter. We'll still have it better than 99% of humanity that came before us. Families and friends will still exist. There'll still be marijuana. Until global warming comes to complete fruition we'll still have the outdoors. The things that really make life worth living will still be there and frankly, we're due for a drop in material quality of life anyway, IMO. There's 6 billion people in this world, we might as well start acting like it.
So if unless by "fucked" you meant we're all going to be working in some bank's slave labour camp, chill, life will go on... and if anybody out there thinks we are headed for some truly horrendous fascist existence- stop being paranoid and try counting your blessings while you have em.
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FaithInOne
Do you know who Newt is, Mr. Informed?
My Friend Newt:
http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Forestry/TBarn...newt%20eft.jpg
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FaithInOne
Do you know who Newt is, Mr. Informed?
And since I'm taking it that you mean the man who spent $50 million of tax payer money in order to investigate a blow job while he was carrying on three extra-marital affairs of his own, why yes--yes I do.
I also know that it was Bill Clinton's decision to raise taxes in the early 90s that brought about the surplus, and Clinton's general economic stewardship helped America enjoy one of its most prosperous, and evenly advantageous decades/eras in history.
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RobinsontoDuncan
And since I'm taking it that you mean the man who spent $50 million of tax payer money in order to investigate a blow job while he was carrying on three extra-marital affairs of his own, why yes--yes I do.
I also know that it was Bill Clinton's decision to raise taxes in the early 90s that brought about the surplus, and Clinton's general economic stewardship helped America enjoy one of its most prosperous, and evenly advantageous decades/eras in history.
Liberal revisionist history is so great :lmao
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Crookshanks
Liberal revisionist history is so great :lmao
What is your version of events?
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Originally Posted by
ballijuana
So if unless by "fucked" you meant we're all going to be working in some bank's slave labour camp, chill, life will go on... and if anybody out there thinks we are headed for some truly horrendous fascist existence- stop being paranoid and try counting your blessings while you have em.
I'm not thinking about the marginal reduction of middle-class luxuries. i would be referring to a future world where the U.S. goes bankrupt and ceases to exist, where the fractured states that exist in its wake suffer a huge drop in economic activity, where shantytowns pop up around all major cities since there are no jobs, where people really go hungry.
I would be referring to a world where people, in response to this suffering, look for somebody to blame. Those who don't fit in, who go against the conventional wisdom in their communities, will be targeted. In some parts of the country, that will be liberals, gays, blacks, Hispanics and people who don't have a twang in their voice. In other parts of the country, that will be people who do have a twang in their voice. In some places that will be people who go to church on Sunday. In some places it will be people who don't, or who go to the wrong kind of church. In some places it will be people who wear suits to work. In some places it will be those who don't have jobs.
And when I say targeted, I mean as in the crosshairs of the weapons their enemies use to kill them.
I would be referring to a wartorn land that takes a century or more to climb back to where it is now, if it ever does, and if it does, it will do so speaking Spanish.
Apocalyptic enough?
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Extra Stout
I'm not thinking about the marginal reduction of middle-class luxuries. i would be referring to a future world where the U.S. goes bankrupt and ceases to exist, where the fractured states that exist in its wake suffer a huge drop in economic activity, where shantytowns pop up around all major cities since there are no jobs, where people really go hungry.
I would be referring to a world where people, in response to this suffering, look for somebody to blame. Those who don't fit in, who go against the conventional wisdom in their communities, will be targeted. In some parts of the country, that will be liberals, gays, blacks, Hispanics and people who don't have a twang in their voice. In other parts of the country, that will be people who do have a twang in their voice. In some places that will be people who go to church on Sunday. In some places it will be people who don't, or who go to the wrong kind of church. In some places it will be people who wear suits to work. In some places it will be those who don't have jobs.
And when I say targeted, I mean as in the crosshairs of the weapons their enemies use to kill them.
I would be referring to a wartorn land that takes a century or more to climb back to where it is now, if it ever does, and if it does, it will do so speaking Spanish.
Apocalyptic enough?
I'm slightly more optimistic... if we do have an apocalypse, it will just be another civil war, I feel. There's far too many Americans with guns in every state for people NOT to band together.
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Originally Posted by
Marcus Bryant
Well, one party is in complete, unfettered control of the Executive and Legislative Branches. Yippee.
Exactly as the republicans were for 6 years under Bush and lets see...oh yes, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend and cut taxes for the wealthiest, who would consume so much that the entire working class would get their "trickled down" allotment (and be happy with it!) while the unregulated free markets would make so much money for everybody that the budgets that didn't include the war expenditures or social security or emergency preparedness would magically disappear ....oops...that's not what happened was it. Well. some of it happened. The tax cuts were there for the wealthiest. The spending was unchecked by the REPUBLICAN -CONTROLLED HOUSE AND THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE. The budget surplus from the prior administration disappeared. There was never a balanced budget proposed, much less passed by the party of fiscal conservatism. The national debt was DOUBLED BY THE PARTY THAT PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT MY GRANDCHILDREN NOW BUT NEVER GAVE A DAMN ABOUT THEM THEN!!
So, we had one party rule before this that didn't really work out so well for a party that claims to care about things balanced budgets and federal deficits, except NOT WHEN THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF BOTH THE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES.
There is some basic arithmetic that is at issue here...cutting taxes plus increased spending (whether it is on a war or a hurricane or conservative social programs) equals higher debt for our children and grandchildren. Similarly, cutting taxes for the middle and lower classes while increasing spending for infrastructure, liberal social programs, and inherited wars still equals higher debt for our children and grandchildren. (but the wars and social security obligations are now reflected in the budgets rather than hidden, so the full amount of money that will be expended is shown...so the budgets are 3 times bigger though the expenditures are only about 30% more). This "transparency", is, to some enough to overcome all of the additionall debt.
Neither party has any moral superiority over the other on this issue. To suggest otherwise is an insult to empiricism.
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Saw Specter on Meet the Press this morning...the guy is a world-class douche. It's abundantly clear that this move was utterly self-serving. And here I was, thinking that members of this government were meant to serve the people before themselves.
I wouldn't want a person like this serving in my party, so good riddance. And please keep in mind, my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with his moderate political views.
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I have said a few times I am neither a Democrat or a Republican. I know some of you don't believe this but who gives a fuck. How does one go from one party to the other just like that. That really is fucked up. Politics is a business. That can be Specters only reason. It makes me laugh how some of you just pick a side like a democrat when the real players in the game don't feel that way at all. Its a business to them.
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jack sommerset
How does one go from one party to the other just like that. That really is fucked up. Politics is a business. That can be Specters only reason. It makes me laugh how some of you just pick a side like a democrat when the real players in the game don't feel that way at all. Its a business to them.
only a bottom-tier member of a bottom-tier forum could be this slow.
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I thought the reasons for the switch were clear enough. Thousands and thousands of Pennsylvanians switched from Republican to Democrat in order to vote in the Democratic primary.
It basically shrunk the pool of Republican voters who are allowed to vote in the upcoming primary. He'd be putting himself at the altar before a very small pool of the most conservative people in the state. It makes no sense on his part.
He's there to serve the people of PA... not the Republican or Democratic party. If he gets re-elected? So be it... if he doesn't? Oh well... that's democracy for you.
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jman3000
I thought the reasons for the switch were clear enough. Thousands and thousands of Pennsylvanians switched from Republican to Democrat in order to vote in the Democratic primary.
It basically shrunk the pool of Republican voters who are allowed to vote in the upcoming primary. He'd be putting himself at the altar before a very small pool of the most conservative people in the state. It makes no sense on his part.
He's there to serve the people of PA... not the Republican or Democratic party. If he gets re-elected? So be it... if he doesn't? Oh well... that's democracy for you.
Nice spin but FAIL. The guy is a money hungry fucking LOSER just like Clambake except Clambake has no money. He is just a loser.
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Interesing article on CNN related to the overall exodus of Rockefeller Republicans over the last 40 years.
Northeastern GOP exodus
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jack sommerset
Nice spin but FAIL. The guy is a money hungry fucking LOSER just like Clambake except Clambake has no money. He is just a loser.
poor jack.
calling you a bottom feeder must have stung a bit.
i apologize.
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clambake
poor jack.
calling you a bottom feeder must have stung a bit.
i apologize.
I accept ur apology.
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jack sommerset
Nice spin but FAIL. The guy is a money hungry fucking LOSER just like Clambake except Clambake has no money. He is just a loser.
Umm... that's no spin on my part. It's what happened. Not what I think what happened... what actually happened.
Now whether he did it because he's a "money hungry fucking LOSER" as you so eloquently put, or because he really does think he can serve his people more effectively than Toomey is something we won't really know for sure. If he was running for senate in Texas I wouldn't vote for the old fart... but I'm not a Pennsylvanian (:elephant) so I don't really give a shit.
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jman3000
Umm... that's no spin on my part. It's what happened. Not what I think what happened... what actually happened.
Now whether he did it because he's a "money hungry fucking LOSER" as you so eloquently put, or because he really does think he can serve his people more effectively than Toomey is something we won't really know for sure. If he was running for senate in Texas I wouldn't vote for the old fart... but I'm not a Pennsylvanian (:elephant) so I don't really give a shit.
It's a spin alright. Maybe not from you,perhaps you really believe his explanation but thats ur deal. This guy switched over because he fucked the Republicans over and the American citizens over when he voted for the stimulus. He is a heal. All those people who voted for him because he was a Republican, he just said "fuck you"
I mean what the fuck was he thinking. Does he actually think he has a chance in hell at winning? Before this he was worried if The NFL Patriots cheated more than they admitted. Keeping Spygate alive. What a way to spend the tax payers dime and time. Anyone going against this prick will win. He should have some humility and stay a Republican until his term is up. If he really felt he was a Democrat then switch after he serves the people who voted for him. Fucking guy is a douche. I'm glad you said you would not vote for him if you had the chance.
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jman3000
I thought the reasons for the switch were clear enough. Thousands and thousands of Pennsylvanians switched from Republican to Democrat in order to vote in the Democratic primary.
Yep, and probably most of them conservative. They will switch back most likely I think.
Remember Operation Chaos? One unexpected side effect was there were also republicans that hated Hillary so much, there was a switch there too.
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jman3000
It basically shrunk the pool of Republican voters who are allowed to vote in the upcoming primary. He'd be putting himself at the altar before a very small pool of the most conservative people in the state. It makes no sense on his part.
That depends on if they switch back or not. Again, isn't it more likely the conservative ones participated in Operation Chaos?
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jman3000
He's there to serve the people of PA... not the Republican or Democratic party. If he gets re-elected? So be it... if he doesn't? Oh well... that's democracy for you.
I don't know if my boots are tall enough for this.
He did it for himself. Not for the voters.
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jack sommerset
Nice spin but FAIL. The guy is a money hungry fucking LOSER just like Clambake except Clambake has no money. He is just a loser.
LOL...
I may have to take that clammy thing off IGNORE for a few days to see how he reacts...
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exstatic
Interesing article on CNN related to the overall exodus of Rockefeller Republicans over the last 40 years.
Northeastern GOP exodus
Who needs them? The likes of them are why republicans are not conservative to balance the liberal democrats.
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Wild Cobra
Yep, and probably most of them conservative. They will switch back most likely I think.
Remember
Operation Chaos? One unexpected side effect was there were also republicans that hated Hillary so much, there was a switch there too.
That depends on if they switch back or not. Again, isn't it more likely the conservative ones participated in Operation Chaos?
No. Party affiliation for the 2008 election was pretty solidly Democratic. Polls that have nothing to do with talk radio showed a 16 point edge in party ID for Democrats in Pennsylvania.
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Wild Cobra
.Who needs them? The likes of them are why republicans are not conservative to balance the liberal democrats.
The likes of them possibly gave the Dems a cloture proof majority in the Senate.
If you tell all the moderates to get bent they might leave and not come back for awhile. Careful with that ideological jihad. It could make things a lot worse in the short run for conservatives.
Don't Republicans care about electoral politics anymore? They lost moderates and independents. They lost ages 18-34 by what, 35 points? (In the Presidential election)
Consider for a moment WC, the consequences of having so many ripe conservatives, in such a small tent.
