You helped a lot in the playoffs with your fantastic shot and your great D :tu
I hope today is the last time I see you in Spurs uniform
Hedo Part 2
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You helped a lot in the playoffs with your fantastic shot and your great D :tu
I hope today is the last time I see you in Spurs uniform
Hedo Part 2
To many GM`s saw that he sucks. hmm maybe McFail won`t...
I think Mase will be fine going forward. Not his fault really...1st playoffs with the team. Kinda unfair to judge him when one of the main pieces (Manu) is out. If Manu was there it would take more pressure off of Mason.
id like to see Mason on the floor with Parker, Hill, and Duncan....I think he would be far more effective.
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Originally Posted by crc21209
Hill is a rookie and steped up. Mason is MIA. Trade him
With the Spurs will play well in the playoff or you're useless
If you are going to blame him you better be on Pop's ass too. He killed Roger's game with the whole 'George Hill can't play in the playoffs cuz' he's a rookie so I'm going to make Mason my point guard' thing.
Mason was never the same after Pop made that move. Damn, I remember the days when Hill was playing hella defense and chipping in offense while Mason was dropping 18 a game and hitting three game winners.
But Pop ruined it all :td
Mason hasn't been a good playoff performer in any series he has been a part of. That won't change anytime soon. The fact that he can't even get off the bench to play this game just goes to show horrible he really is...Quote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
This is one of the best posts all year. You're right. Mason is a good player...but Pop fucked him up by trying to make him run PG. He is strictly a SG. And as our backup SG next year next to Manu...I'll be fine with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
thaz acutally not bad, cuz u should look the way hedo is playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
so mason will eventually be like hedo i gues lol
WTF are you talking about... he kicked ass for us this season... wasn't until Pops idiotic rotations that he started fucking up.
Once he was exposed as being nothing more than a stand up jump shooter with no dribbling skill whatsoever...he became worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Mase had his role, he was very good in that capacity, and then it got taken away. I'd like to see him play out his contract, but let him play his real position.
Biggest letdown for the Spurs this postseason. He had a great season for us but didn't finish the job.
Mason, Bonner, and Pop are the reasons spurs lost this series.
This is easily the worst coaching job of Pop's career. Fuck this whole abortion of a season.
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Exactly. Pop effectively nuetralized 2 productive players. I doubt this was lost on the Spurs players. The way the Spurs have played at times this season, one can't help but speculate if they've started to tune Pop out.
How do you explain Bonner and Finley getting 30 minutes a night then? They were still in the rotation. But then again, Finley is over 35, which makes him valuable to Pop, and when Pop squints hard enough Bonner looks like Horry so he still gets his run.Quote:
Originally Posted by mexicanjunior
Pathetic.
If idiot Pop had kept Mason at SG and let Hill play PG, Mason would be fine. Pop completely messed up Mason's game. Although, I do think alot of people overrated Mason a bit.
Pop has some to blame but Mason was TERRIBLE in the playoffs and that not 100% on Pop.
He was scared of the playoffs just like Bonner.
He has to work on improving his game a little bit, it's obvious that teams adjusted for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mexicanjunior
I still think he's a net plus for us. This Post-season was weird for him, plus Pop is more to blame in using our roleplayers after the Manu injury....How can Mason adjust when his role isn't concrete, or constantly ambiguous.
Don't look to me to defend Pop, his coaching has been horrendous. Any other coach would be fired tomorrow but the Spurs probably can't afford anyone better...so we are stuck with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Pop is to blame for alot but no amount of coaching will make Mason a better dribbler and finisher at the rim. If you crowd Mason at the 3 point line, he becomes a ghost. Other teams figured that out and I have a feeling it will be more of the same next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
Bonner should go before Mason but I agree that he's sucked it up as of late.
He should just stick to his role and shoot, imo. No need for that dribbling bull crap.
I don't think anyone is saying it's 100% on Pop. But he deserves the lion share of the blame IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
I think mason did a good job but he needs to be a sg period no more pg crap.
Mason can't organize a team like the spurs (can't play the point, tony barely can)
Hidayet = Mason ?
maybe
i prefer to have him traded along the lines with finley, bonner and the rest of the trash on this team sitting on the bench....excluding ghB
Barkley just said Mason Jr. needs to develop his game more and he can't be just a stand up shooter.
Dude, i agree pop kind of ruined mason...but any decent coach can adjust to a player like mason in a series. He's just not that good. He's very one dimensional-that's it. We can't rely on him being our main SG behind gino next year if we want to win anything. We need a multi-dimensional guy to keep defenders honest. He is so obviously not quick...his feet look like he's moving through tar. I say ditch him if you can.
Only one of the following should be on the team next year: Mason or Finley. They do the exact same thing. I'd take Mason and beg Finley not to pick up his option. Shit, a buyout. Whatever. He got his ring and lost twice to his former team. Hopefully that's enough.
Yeah putting him at PG was a colossal mistake. Be angry with Pop
Nah. Just blame it on the rotations and confusing line-ups.
Personally i never thought spurs fan were annoying until i read some of these posts. Seriously? His first year with the spurs, we probably wouldnt even have the record we have if we didnt have his contributions and now everyone wants to throw him under the bus. He just needs some experience. And no disrepect to pops coaching but i really feel like some of the decisons he made messed up Masons, Hill and Goodens roles.
Pop destroyed him by putting him at point guard. That said, yeah, Mason doesn't deserve a pass. Hopefully he comes back better next year and Pop's love affair with Finley has ended so Mason doesn't have to play out of position.
Yeah being played at PG causd him to fuck up consistently in his first POs as a Spur. Hope his real season nuts drop next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
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Originally Posted by timvp
Wish there was a way to convince finley to retire.
Mason will be fine..he was clearly killed by the PG experiment, it was obvious..
he's a role player, you guys can't treat him otherwise..
i think we need a new fkn coach to be honest....
Abandoning Mason would be a knee jerk reaction and stupid.
He's not old, and he's a three point threat. I don't see him as a Hedo. I have a gut feeling he'll be more focused next year. This year was just strange and stupid.
Keep: TD, TP, Hill, Mason, Gooden (with a full training-camp I think he'll be fine), Bowen (1 more year).
Gone: Udoka, Vaughn, Bonner, Oberto. Thomas maybe 1 more yr.
Did T Park just turn on Finley? Say it ain't so!
People on this board love "gut feelings". All you have to do is look at Mason's post season numbers to understand he will never be more than a decent jump shooter in the regular season that falters in the playoffs...Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
Mason needs to know his role, and he needs a role to know.
Quite the shocker indeed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Teams figured out how to stop mason... well not phoenix but real teams. Theres no point keeping him.
Mason understands his role..
he's a great set shooter..he's able to shoot well off the dribble..he has a quick release..he makes clutch shots..he can be a passable defender against SGs..
he's a bad passer, he can't drive at all, he can't play the PG position at all on both ends of the floor..
he's a role player..it's simple as that..he can definitely be used in a good role, as we saw earlier in the year..
Game winning three pointers in regular season are worth shit if you choke the way this guy did against dallas..... trade his fucking ass.
You really think Drew wants to sign with this team after he chose it after his buy-out just to sit on the bench and watch Bonner play?Quote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
Pop deserves some of the blame for Mason's 180 but a lot should be on Mason too. He's a pro and should find ways to contribute anyway. He played scared and if Pop can crush his confidence that easily then he shouldn't be on this team.
Grat job indeed this season Mr. Mason and I look forward to seeing what you might do in '09/'10.
:toast
If I were Gooden, I wouldn't even fly back with the team. I'd throw a big " F U" finger to Pop as I took a taxi cab back home...Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
No its not just pops fault, though that did mess his confidence up, and never having a set rotation f'ed things up also. BUT, if you watched games you recognize that he's a very easy guard for anyone decently athletic. Go over screens, Mason cannot drive at all, he can't create his own shot 1v1, he only relies on pass outs. Which is fine for a role player to come in and hover around to hit some 3's...im just saying relying on him as a guy who gets 25-30 minutes is not legit. We need a multi-dimentional guy, not a stop and pop shooter...don't we have a team completely full of those? We have like one guys who can get to the hoop, that's it. I say ditch him for someone quicker and more aggressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by mizalexandria
Didn't Mason play PG some for the Wizards?
It's really hard for role players to do well when they don't know their role! And that's all on Pop - he really messed up Mason's game.
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Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
Send Mason back to Washington first thing in the AM.
Send Bonner to the deserts of Egypt.
Send Finley back to Markie Cuban.
Send Vaughn anywhere as long as it's 7 time zones from San Antonio.
Send Thomas to NY or Phoenix.
Send Oberto to a heart specialist to get good advice, then retire him.
Send Udoka back to Portland.
Gooden should tell Pop to screw it
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Tell Manu he is now a permanent # 8 man and taxi driver if he plays anymore summer ball.
Then get us players who are athletic, younger, longer, taller, quicker, smarter and can put the ball in the hoop and play lock-down 'D'.
So where's the spurfans who said he would be clutch come playoff time?
Couldn't agree more. Pop and his positional flexibility. Force-fitting guys into roles that don't fit. He should simply let players do what they do best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Defensively Mason sucked but Mavs were a bad matchup for Mason. Barea and Terry were too mobile and Howard was too strong.
Offensively Mason sucked too.
I do think Mason is still a keeper. He has had a quite good regular season. With Manu back and Hill hopefully being the backup PG, his offensive role will change a lot compared to these playoffs.
Spurs Brazil, i respect you but i dont think this thread is good.
I still believe Mason is a keeper. Pop just had to fuck up his game. Remember this was his first year as a Spur. I just hope things get better next year.
Sucking on the defensive end is sort of a problem. And after he got exposed by Pop's PG experiment, any time he had the ball in his hands, the other teams knew to collapse on him - because there is a better than average chance of taking it away from him. He made a lot of passes that were off the mark, and either turned the ball over or left guys exposed out on the wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I like the guy... but damn. He looks like a one trick pony, and that sort of limits his value.
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Originally Posted by GSH
If we are going to keep him as simply a spot up shooter for certain matchup, then he needs to come from the bench. We need more guys that can create a shot for themselves, off the dribble or otherwise.
Boo mutha fucking whoo, pop messed up mason. Get over it. The guy is a pro. Yeah pop might have screwed with his play from the whole pg experiment, but that was old news. Get over it. What did george hill do when he was told he wasn't ready for the playoffs? The man put his head down and worked his ass off and made a difference. If you want to use the excuse that pop fucked him up you might as well give mason some vagisil.
i think expectations were/are way too high for Mason ... the media went gaga over Mason because he had a several game winners on national t.v. ...
he is what he is though , and that is strictly a 3-point shooter that , for the most part , gets his looks from the big three when one of them they penetrates and draws a double team . he's a player that can benefit a lot with Manu on the court because Manu creates shots for people ...
since Manu is not there though , he's forced to be a the fourth option and that's just not something he can do . it's unfair and unrealistic to expect anything that much more from him then what a player like Eddie House does for Boston ( i do think he's better than Eddie House though ) ... he's a spark plug that can ignite a crowd at home and silence it on the road with a timely three or two , or three ... i still believe he can be that for this team ... BUT ... not as the back-up pg and not with Manu out . he's best suited for the sg position , and as a complimentary player , not a de facto 3rd option , where defenses are able to focus on him more .
Mason should not be compared to Hedo at all...Mason has waaay more balls than him and can be more of a contributor next yr. Pop just screwed with Mason's head...and like someone else here said...the Mavs were just a bad matchup for Mason..and the Spurs as a whole overall.
The thing that worries me about Mason is that he can't get around screens. You throw a screen on him and he almost always gets stuck. Is that something you can improve? Maybe working on his quickness this offseason?
Besides that flaw he's a good prospect but that's a pretty damning flaw for a Spurs player.
Mason will be fine, he needs to work on a couple of things - defense, driving, finishing at the rim and going aroud screens, but he's shown he can be a great contributor as a 4th scorer. He's also shown he can't be depended on being the backup PG or the 3rd scorer so take him for what he is.
I believe he can be deadly in a lineup with the big 3 because he'll get a lot of room and he's a hell of a shooter. Our wingman rotation in the second half of the season and the playoffs has been terrible and inconsistent, it has affected everyone's game, except for Bruce's. Cut Mason some slack, he'll be back strong next season.
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Originally Posted by Quiet Strength
Throw in Ginobili too, for being stupid and playing in the Olympics on that shaky ankle. He pretty much fucked everything up for the Spurs this whole season, making Pop depend on guys that pretty much tanked it when we needed them most.
Mason will improve...he is a tough guy..and in his 1st yr as a Spur did better than most have done in their 1st yr as a Spur.
true about the regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by it's me
I actually posted in the regular season i believe during a board lovefest for Mason after a gamewinner that Hedo actually hit clutch end-of-game shots in the regular season for the Spurs (against Indiana) before disappearing in the playoffs.
Mason just continued the tradition.
He's an average at best defender, and brings nothing else to the table beyond 3s. At least Hedo could rebound and create a little.
Couldn't agree moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
No problem whatsoever. There is so many such players out there, they are already standing in the line in front of Spurs' FO and they come very cheap too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthTexasRancher
Well said. Other than no Manu, this was our demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
The guy is cheap, he's just a role player.
Sure he couldn't deliver like Manu, is it really what you expect for half of the MLE?
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 45 bank shot