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Rasheed Wallace | PF/C
Born: Sep 17, 1974
Height: 6-11 / 2,11
Weight: 230 lbs. / 104,3 kg.
College: North Carolina
Years Pro: 13
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Wouldn't be a bad fit, provided he's on a short term deal. Yes, not the ideal free agent pickup, but depending on what's available, he might just suffice. I'd rather have him than Bonner playing 20+ per, but I guess that's just me.
Sheed> Bonner, KT, Oberto
If we can sign him for vet minimim I'm all for it!
Thanks MB, for kicking the offseason FA discussions into high gear.
if he accepts the nba minimum then yes, if he wants anything more than the minimum? gtfo.....
Sheed is the best option at Center via Free Agency.
He's not old and washed up enough I saidddd.
Don't do it ....
Early! :lol
Target numero uno I suspect.
If he can come in motivated and in shape and willing to play on the block, then hells yes.
If he's healthy you'd be crazy not to give him a look. He's better than Oberto, Bonner, and Thomas combined.
Vet min for Sheed? Not happening. We're going to have to dip into a substantial amount of if not the full MLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
We need him playing defense( protecting the paint) and rebounding more than anything. If he's willing to sacrifice touches offensively I'm all for it. He's the best option via free agency to make us instantly better.
If he comes in, I suspect playing alongside Tim Duncan and having a ligament shot at a title will be enough motivation ( hopefully).
If Sheed can still shoot the 3, I would sign him and trade Bonner+Oberto for another big.
Duncan, Sheed, Mahinmi, Thomas, [TRADE]
Could we do a sign and trade with Detroit for either Bowen or Finley's contract? I would seriously hate to use the MLE on a 35 year old Wallace.
Way to go out on a limb with that opinion. Even my boss would pay Sheed more than the minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs23
Or we can sign and trade Bonner and Mason for Sheed and then offer the full MLE to Ariza and offer the LLE to Carney/ Moon/ Barnes/ Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
It is very tempting but after seeing his play in the Piston's post-season, it makes you wonder a little. I think you have to go for it, especially given the current state of our bigs.
Damn, MB is already kicking off the offseason free agent list..
Guess it's time for us spurs fans to move on..
I really want Finley off this team though. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Yep and about 6 or 7 other Spurs players who became ghosts. God, this is a terrible Spurs team. A real embarrassment to our 4 Championship teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
I'd love to get him.
I doubt Detroit would want to take back any players on this team (at least any players that we want to lose) in a sign-and-trade. Sheed is off their books, right? So it doesn't make sense for them.
My ideal scenario is sign Sheed using as much of the MLE as you can. It is better than Camby for the reason that the Spurs do not have to give up Hill to get him.
Then look for a big trade at the SF spot.
What is a "ligament" shot?Quote:
If he comes in, I suspect playing alongside Tim Duncan and having a ligament shot at a title will be enough motivation ( hopefully).
Are we setting up snipers to target knee ligaments? :lol
I think the word you meant to use was "legitimate."
Wallace is still an interior post presence on both ends. Standing at the 3 point line isn't all he'll do, he'll rebound and play tough defense as well.
I wouldn't mind Finley being on this team if his minutes were very limited. Hill looks more than capable to have consistent minutes at the 1 and 2 next year if he continues to work on his craft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
I really like Carney/ Moon/ Dahntay Jones or Barnes for the LLE.
My dream scenario would be to Sign Sheed for the MLE short term. Then trade Mason/ Bonner/ Bowen/ Oberto to Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. Then sign Carney/ Moon/ Barnes for the LLE.
That would give us:
Parker/ Hill
Manu/ Finley/ Hill
Jefferson/ Carney or Moon or Barnes or Jones/ (Gist/ Hairston/ Williams)*wildcards*
Tim/ Mahimni/ Vet minimum signing/ 37th draft pick?
Sheed/ Kurt/ Vet minimum signing
Big men for the vet minimum i'd consider:
Chris Mihm
Rasho Nestorovic
Malik Rose
Melvin Ely
Theo Ratliff
Jarrod Collins
Sheldon Williams ( even though not a vet)
-Lose weight
-Lose the temper
-Gain focus
-Accept the minnimum
Lets get some Shhhheeeeeeeddd.
teh only reason why he wants to play in texas......his supplier is just live across the border....lol
2 of the 4 is probable if he signs with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
Accepting the minimum and losing the temper you can forget about immediately.
Personally, from an unbiased view, I like Sheed more than Camby for the Spurs. Camby is the better help defender/shot blocker but that's about it. Sheed's arguably one of the top 5 1 on 1 post defenders in basketball and is a bigger body inside.
But his offense is the bigger difference. When his head is in the right place and he realizes that his baseline turnaround is unguardable, his back to the basket game is great. He can also space the floor hear and there, only problem is if Pop gives him the green line from 3 land too much it'll backfire.
Priority number one IMO.
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs
fuck it..I'd do it..
we need Ian to produce though..he needs to be the young guy to help out the aging Duncan and Wallace..
If he'll play a role off the bench for 2mil a year, fine.
Is that likely? Not really.
We need to get younger, but I'd take him as a Bonner replacement under the conditions stated above.
What? Why would you want him on the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Why would you sign him for the bench?
The spurs don't have a younger big thats better than him that should get the majority of the minutes, nor is one available.
honestly if we get rasheed and he plays anything to close to anything from his glory days then we are a beast to deal with next year.
I wouldn't want him off the bench, I'd want him starting, but only playing about 20-25 MPG..that's why we need a guy like Ian and maybe another young role player for energy off the bench to give Duncan and Wallace a rest..
Okay, start him then, although he's 35 and wearing down, not to mention tech and foul prone, so maybe 24mins a game off the bench would suit him better than 30 as a starter.
No way he comes here to play for no money though - some fool will sign him for 10mil/2yrs, and given the 2010 plan I don't see the FO offering him more than one year (unless they forget 2010 and try to grab someone this year, which might be the way to go).
I think it'll come down to the Spurs, Cavs, and Celtics..
I think the time for getting younger has passed. Now is the time to go for broke, future be damned, in trying to squeeze one more title out of this core next season. Tim and Manu aren't aging like fine wines though, and they don't have time to wait for someone who is not ready to go from day 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Exactly. Not to mention if the Spurs can get him for the MLE, that means they won't have to give up Hill to get a big.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Then they can trade for a team looking for a pure salary dump to fill the SF need.
go for the vetarans minimum sheed and i promise i will get your jersey even if your in a spurs uniform for one season
No way he goes for the vets minimum. He's already got a ring, nothing left to prove.
MLE money and you're talking.
Sheed on the Spurs with TD would be motivated as hell so I say do it. He is one of the best low-post defenders in the game and can also post up on the block (something Bonner cant do) and shoot the 3 as well.
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
You, my friend, are a smart man.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124743
i cant believe so many STILL have not learned their lesson. still going after aging, past-their prime vets. sigh......
Too old! I'd rather look much younger, even for bench roles. Whilst the old veteran thing works sometimes, I don't know if Wallace is necessarily as hungry as someone as Finley was when we signed him.
Sheed can also serve as a mentor for our younger big men.
he would be sick with TD up front. IIRC TD said sheed was the toughest defender hes had to face. however, at minimum sheed will command the full MLE.
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Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
He really needs to fall out with the 3 aswell, needs to go back to the post.
Mark my words, we DO need a gangster on this team.
Ssrving as a mentor is great (and I mentioned that being one of Wallace's unheradled attributes in another thread). However I want any player that the Spurs pick up to be able to give consistent production on the court, also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas82
I would take Sheed if the Spurs could move Bonner and/or Oberto for another young PF/C. Otherwise, the Spurs would just get older and not solve all their frontline problems.
Sheed would instantly improve our frontline without adding a young big man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borosai
Yes, but where's the depth? Mahinmi is still an unknown. If he doesn't deliver, the Spurs will be in trouble again without any depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Tim/ Sheed/ Kurt/ Mahimni/ Vet minimum to Melvin Ely/ Malik Rose/ Theo Ratliff/ also the 37th second round pick? or even GistQuote:
Originally Posted by Borosai
Duncan & Sheed = Best Frontcourt in the NBA
Parker & Ginobili= Best backcourt in the NBA
Damn.
Who plays the 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
Bowen? Mason? Finley?
as I said many times..the key is balance here..we need young guys to balance out the age of Duncan and Wallace..
Ian COULD be one..who is the other? Bonner?..
BowenQuote:
Originally Posted by TDomination
My priority number one is find a wing, via trade or free agency.
If we can get that wing via trade, I hope Jefferson, I'm all for signing Wallace.
If we can't get a wing via trade I hope we use the MLE on a wing
yeah i know especially after the young guys were so great in the playoffs. bonner and mason especially! dude the best players were still tim tony and bruce. mainly old fellasQuote:
Originally Posted by poop
if we got sheed, it would be da coolest!
From Marc Stein today:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126628Quote:
From the veterans' committee, as stated here previously, Rasheed Wallace is said to have interest in both Dallas and San Antonio as a free-agent destination.
come on in for 1.8 mill Sheed.
Sign Antonio with the MLE then onward and upward.
That would put the Spurs well over the luxury tax. Not to mention I highly doubt Sheed would play for ~4M less than McDyess.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
finley will most likely opt out from the spurs telling him too and would avoide the spurs from going over the luxary cap but still would be way under again if the cap will increase quite a little this summerQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
sheed could get the LLE for one year
if he wants to win a championship i dont believe the 8 million a year crap
and go after a 3 with our MLE Artest,Ariza someone to replace bruce who I predict will be probably traded or going to retire
How many people actually watched Sheed play this year? From what I saw, he has slipped a notch, he's 35, he's still volatile (lots of techs this season), and he spent the last 1/3 of the season injured. Have we not learned anything? Do we really want to give a roster spot to yet another old geezer?
If he signs dirt-cheap, fine, but spending more than 2mil on Sheed would be a mistake.
Buying low is always a safe assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
All the tech talk only proves he still has desire to win.
Taking this season into perspective, he had to deal with roster mistakes of paramount proportions.
Bottom line is that he's still very effective and there aren't many available bigs who can give what he can. Additionally, the only help he had on that front line was Dice. Tim and Sheed compliment each other offensively, plus he plays really good defense.
We do need youth on the frontline, but I don't know where we'll find that sort of need which will be effective enough to really help this team with the window it has. So it's best to hope for Ian, and if we can find something else aside from Ian, then so be it. As of right now, if he's not completely out of our range, i'd do it.
Seeing as there is not a plethora of young bigs to sign, then yes you DO sign him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
New scenery, newer and better team, more motivation.
The way I see it, it's either Sheed or overseas for our next big.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
I agree. The only way I wouldn't go after him is if we trade for a young better post player.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
But if we go into free agency without any additions via a trade, then we have to offer him the MLE for one year. There's not a better option in the free agent pool.
I prefer overseas, but... Feed the SHEED!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheProfessor
And to whoever dissed Mason and Bonner, using Matt isn't fair, he'll be a choker at any age, Mason I can't defend. Plus, TP and Timmy were the Big 2, they fucking better show up in the POs, until they're 35. Around then they can start mailing in the reg season like Horry did. And you forgot Hill. He showed up for Gm 5, even if he didn't make a big splash, what do you expect from a rookie who was in his first playoff series, and wasn't really used the prior 15 or so games, because his coach didn't believe in him?
Someone else made this on another forum:
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/r...llacespurs.jpg
Only if the Spurs cannot get their hands on Gortat.
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Originally Posted by SenorSpur
He looks really fat in that photo.. Maybe black is not slimming. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LakerHater
If he signs with the Spurs, I hope we get the skinny, motivated Sheed.
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That's what I'm bringing into question - this is not 2004 Sheed, or even 2007 Sheed, this is 35yo Sheed who has slowed considerably. Guy used to have the quickness to rotate to corner shooters, but not any more. He shot 42% from the field and 35% from 3 last year. His blocks and steals were down, even thought he played 2 more mpg than 2007. Sheed is over the hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spur-Addict
If he wants to be paid a pittance to come and play 20mpg here, fine, but if you are going to count on him to contribute significantly you'll be sorely disappointed.
Move on, why the hype about him, he is nothing.
I dont want this guy on the Spurs... let him rot in DFW
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffnreadyozstyle
Old players have no place in nowdays NBA. Look at Howard, Anthony,....
If you are a fan of the Spurs, you want Rasheed Wallace. His defense is why you get him. He will take so much pressure off Tim Duncan. The only question is if he can stay healthy. I am shocked he stayed as healthy as he has the past 5 years. The 3 point shooting isn't a bad thing in moderation, and with Timmay commanding a double, any time Sheed spreads the floor, the opposing defense will be completely stretched and frustrated.
That's all true, but you can't afford to pay him the MLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacobdrj
I'd rather the Spurs go after Gortat.
:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
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Originally Posted by jacobdrj
could not say it any better i hope somehow we can get rid of bonner though but a 1 year contract wouldn't hurt for the LLE
with a healthy spurs team they might be scary and add a good young small foward woww will this team be a true contender next year
Losing an all star point guard would logically effect his numbers. Billups stretched the floor better, debatably slashed a bit better or equal to, and he has ran the Pistons far better than Stuckey has to date. This has to be taken into account. And by no means am I saying that Sheed is vintage Sheed, that is absurd. What i'm saying is, who are you going to find out there that can do what he can? Nobody.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
With the three offensive options on the court, he will get better looks from the three point line. Or, anywhere else to be honest.
Defensively, i'm not worried about a Wallace/Duncan frontcourt. We won't be playing Golden State every night.
If you think he can't give 25 minutes, and on some nights thirty, that's just your opinion. An opinion I disagree with, but yours nonetheless.
In terms of a big man that compliments Duncan, Sheed is the best option out there this summer. I worry about his drop-off in production. True, going from Billups to Iverson doesn't exactly do wonders for team offense. But at 35 with 1000+ games on his legs, defensively will he be 2 million dollars better than Bonner?
It will take all of the MLE to sign Sheed. His signing also makes Bonner expendable. So the signing has some pretty high risks:
1. With his age and health can he do much better than Bonner, especially at 2 million+ more per season?
2. If they sign Sheed, can the Spurs salary dump Bonner? WIth limited salary space, the Spurs have more pressing needs than a redundancy at this skill set.
Pass. Sheed is in decline. He's an upgrade over our bigs (cept Timmy of course) but when are we going to commit to bringing in young players?
Bring him in for an Horry-type role at an Horry-type salary. Vet minimum, maybe a little more.
MLE? No way at this point in his arc.
for the LLE i would love it, but we have to be realistic, there may be some teams that wouldnt mind over paying the guy. im sure cuban would give him the MLE no problem.
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Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Good, don't bitch when Gortat clogs up the offense and can't even shoot past a 3 foot hook shot.
Rasheed Wallace is about as good as the Spurs are likely to get.
Going after young players to develop is a waste of time at this point. The time for that was two years ago, and the Spurs failed. Now, if they go young, by the time those players are ready, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are done. If the Spurs elect to go young, then the era of winning titles under Tim Duncan is effectively over, and they might as well just trade Tim Duncan. Heck, just blow up the whole team and start over.
So the Spurs should just focus on getting players that can contribute meaningfully now.
Depends on how you define "young". Al Jefferson is young, but he would help now. Dwight Howard is young and his team was in the finals. I am assuming you meant the draft or something similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
You can still go "young" and help win now.
Is Stout having a bad offseason?
If we get Wallace, then we NEED to have another young role player big off the bench with Ian..having Kurt backing up Wallace and Duncan is horrible for us, we would get torched by young bigs..
Change your dealer please...Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
You are completely ignoring the fact that the NBA has changed and is now a young athlete's league, not to mention the fact that offensive players have been given all the advantages. If this were 2005 we could go with a 35yo Sheed and have a hope, today not a chance. If he comes here cheap (LLE, which he won't) I'd be fine with it, anything more would be throwing money and a roster spot down the toilet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Also, if you keep delaying the inevitable (i.e. that this team is too old and not athletic enough) you are setting us up for a major crash in a year or two. The smart thing to do is to gradually get younger over a 3 year period, introducing 2-3 youngsters a year, and hope that one a year makes a leap - that way you have a shot at the trophy each year if everything clicks, but at the same time you get younger and prepare for the post-Duncan era. Most FO/coach staffs could not pull it off, but ours is good enough to get it right with a little good luck.
i'm not sure of what it worthes but a french site has just talked about the spurs talking to Rasheed Wallace to make him come.
http://www.football365.fr/basket-han...approche.shtml
another one:
http://www.basketusa.com/news/rumeur...sheed-wallace/
10 M 2 years deal.