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Antonio McDyess | F - C
Born: Sep 7, 1974
Height: 6-9 / 2,06
Weight: 245 lbs. / 111,1 kg.
College: Alabama
Years Pro: 12
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Antonio McDyess | F - C
Born: Sep 7, 1974
Height: 6-9 / 2,06
Weight: 245 lbs. / 111,1 kg.
College: Alabama
Years Pro: 12
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part of me prefers him over wallace. wallace has the height and length advantage though.
denver mcdyess
i would want him then
He had a fantastic rebounding season. Also played well in the playoffs. To preserve the 2010 plan, I'd be happy with a one-year offer at near the MLE for him.
I'd prefer him over Wallace actually.
Plays tough defense and gobbles up the rebounds. He doesn't have the 3 point shot but he's got a sweet mid range game.
so would I, I love the way McDyess plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveforthegame
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Originally Posted by timvp
And a bigman in the mold pop likes. Also a big you can leave on the court against Dallas :spin
mcdyess doesn't have the shotblocking ability wallace has. a duncan-wallace frontcourt would practically shut down the paint. mcdyess has more reliable offense but the spurs need to improve the defense. not to say he isn't an above average defender, just that wallace has the extra element of shotblocking and weak side help. spurs' defense is slipping, this will be a bigger priority.
Get him!!!
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
He's a 'Spurs quality' player. I think the knock on him a few years ago was his injury, but he seems to be pretty healthy these days.
+1 i dont know but i have the feeling that he's destined to be a spurQuote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
I wanted him to sign with the Spurs when he got cut. I like what he brings as a veteran.
if we can sign him I will sh1t my pants, and yes I like him over Sheed.
Think about it, with him we beat the mavs!
Bring in Dice! I wanna see him get a ring and he will be better than Kurt Thomas.
Kurt Thomas and McDyess can win a ring together.
Dice> Sheed on the Spurs... he'd be an upgrade over Thomas...
This would get us nowhere...why don't more people realize this? What the hell makes you think Antonio McDyess will get us past the Lakers?
The obvious top MLE target now.
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess
That's a solid starting lineup. Plenty of scoring and should be very good on the boards. Round out the playoff rotation with Hill, Mason, Bowen (should be back), and a serviceable big (maybe Radoslav).
Probably near the top of my wish list too...and probably more attainable than Sheed. Timvp is right. We need to be on his doorstep on July 1st.
If the Spurs actually were to use the MLE on a player I wouldn't mind McDyess at all, but I'd hope they'd look to Wallace first.
Wallace on a 1 to 2yr. MLE is a lot more appealing to me because of the way he'd spread the floor for Tim and keep the lane more open for Parker, Jeff, and Ginobili. His ability to play the bigger front line players in the league (i.e. Yao, Shaq, Howard, etc.) is something this team could surely use with the departure of Thomas, and Duncan the only guy left capable.
Wallace might be a moot point, since I seem to remember hearing something about him wanting 8M, but I also remember him expressing a desire to play in S.A., so maybe he'd change his tune.(Probably wishful thinking, though)
I'd definitely be down with Dyess on the Spurs, he'd just be my second option.
Now we really need McDyess.
How does Wallace spread the floor that much more than McDyess? Plus you also have to factor in that Wallace shot a full 10% less than McDyess from the field last season and averaged 2.5 less boards a game than McDyess. McDyess' 20 foot J will help spread the floor as much as Wallace hanging around the perimeter for most of the game. Wallace also seems to fall in love with jacking up 3s. If it's Wallace or nobody, perhaps, but between the two you go with McDyess.
You're not going to get me to hate on Dyess but to me, Wallace would fill more needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Yes, Dyess is a hell of a mid-range shooter and Wallace's percentages from 3 can be less than stellar, but he's a threat from 3 that opposing teams do respect.
If you've got Dyess at the elbow and Tim being used more and more in that same area (Pops tactic to preserve Tim's body) the floor's spacing wouldn't be all that great. Tim and Dyess' area of operation could very well be pretty similar going forward and I don't think that would leave the spacing as conducive to them or their slashers.
Dyess is the more dependable/workman-type player but Wallace's ability to extend out to 3, defend legit size, and overall basketball IQ finds me coveting him a bit more.
Just my opinion, though
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...=rss_blogs_NBA
It looks like Spurs are after the right players with Sheed and Dice.Quote:
The Spurs also are considering Antonio McDyess.
Oddly quiet on the Dice front, don't you think?
I was just going to say that. Very Spurs like.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBMethos
So maybe the Sheed stuff is all smokescreen? Hmm, exciting times.
I would prefer 'Sheed to Dice though. But either would make me happy. :)
I'm hopin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by DBMethos
Wouldnt it be some shit if the Spurs landed both Sheed and Dice. :lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
Sheed with the MLE and Dice with the LLE. The league would shit themselves! :lol
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Originally Posted by crc21209
Dice for the LLE? :lol
But if somehow he would take that, damn that'd be full beast mode.
Hey, we can dream right? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Muser
either would be nice.
I would prefer Rasheed though.
Both is too much for me to believe is realistic.
:rollin
I think the Jefferson trade and Blair to the Spurs at #37 has raised some people's expectations a little TOO high :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
I'd honestly be happy with either, then fill in the roster with the aformentioned Blair and younger talent. Between Duncan, Dice/Sheed, Blair, Bonner, and hopefully Mahinmi the Spurs shouldn't need both.
And if they need another guy, there's always trade options.
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The Pistons also would like to find a way to re-sign Antonio McDyess, an unrestricted free agent. McDyess' agent said Wednesday the Pistons remain on his short list.
"He's digesting it all right now," Andy Miller said. "The bulk of teams that have called understand the criteria we've outlined. We have our group and now it's up to Antonio to survey the situation and try to put them in some kind of order."
Detroit, Houston, Cleveland, San Antonio and Boston are believed to be among McDyess' suitors. McDyess, 35, is expected to get an offer starting around the mid-level exception ($5.6 million).
When asked if the firing of Michael Curry helped put the Pistons back on McDyess' radar, Miller said, "I think he would have considered them anyway, regardless, but that certainly didn't hurt."
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090...lie-Villanueva
If he wants to win a championship then we can give him the LLE and star role in HEB commercials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muser
I don't like it that the Pistons are after McDyess. He probably stays in Detroit if the money is close, unfortunately.
Although I can't blame the Pistons. McDyess should be a damn solid player for the next year or two.
That is why I think the Sheed sweepstakes is even higher than what people might think it is. Because I have a feeling McDyess is staying in Detroit as well. SHEED OR BUST!Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Actually, if you look at the teams that are listed it looks pretty good for the Spurs if they want to go get him.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Detroit--They don't have his Bird rights because he was traded and came back last year. If the reported numbers on Gordon and Villenueva are correct they don't have anything but the vet minimum to offer.
Houston--If they have offered Gortat the entire MLE they only have the LLE or vet minimum to offer.
Cleveland--They are reportedly going after Ariza hard now w/ their MLE. Once again only LLE or vet minimum left.
Boston--We are only interested in Dice it seems if we don't Wallace. It appears if we don't get him it will be Boston, so once again only LLE or vet minimum left.
If the Spurs offer Dice the whole MLE or even most of it he may be had.
we don't know how much cap space is left as long as we don't know how the contracts of Gordon and Villanueva are structured.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding
if they got contracts based on the allowed rise, the starting salary of Gordons contract is 9.4 million and Villanuevas is 6.0.
(hope my numbers are right)
after they waived Fab they are at 37.3M, that's 21.4M below the cap. minus 15.4 for Gordon and Villanueva, minus 1.4 for Daye, so there could be as much as 4.6 millions left they could offer McDyess.
(maybe I forgot some more cap holds, don't know all the details)
however, a 2 years 9 million offer for sure will be something Dyess will consider. maybe they even add a 3rd year, kind of compensation for the lost money when he came back to Detroit for the minimum during the last season.
edit: just read Villanueva might have got 40 millions. this means his starting salary would be about 6.8 million. this would reduce the cap space for McDyess to 3.8 million. still not bad, if he get's a 3 years contract, it still would be 12 million.
You pretty much got it. We're hearing an estimate of 4.4 Million available. That figure may change depending on the exact contract for our 2 signings and the official word on the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
Personally, I hope you guys get him. Give him a chance to win a ring. He'd be splitting minutes w/ Kwame for us ... a team in transition that should be more focused on grooming some of our youth. Dice doesn't really fit in at this juncture other than being the kind of professional Joe wants on the team.
If McDyess stays with the Pistons it means getting a ring isn't a motivating factor.
Get this man in silver and black, now!!!
Get Dice!
If the Spurs are quiet on the Rasheed front, I'm assuming they think that Pop won't live with Rasheed's tantrums. If that is the case, Dice better be next on the list.
Agreed. Rasheed is arguably the better player, but I always doubted his capacity to fit in with a guy like Pop, and play alongside a guy like Duncan. Whilst he's had some great years, I think Dice is more likely to be the type of guy that will gel alongside TD and play a better mentor to Blair, Mahinmi and uh....all our other bigs....like Finley..
Dice is the man we are going to get, and he'll be a fantastic fit. If it does turn out that way, hopefully we'll be able to add one additional, cheaper big that can protect the rim a little bit.
wow that's a little disheartening if 'sheed is waiting to hear from the spurs for a better offer, but Pops not going to make the effort for someone like 'sheed.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I've been arguing for 2 months that Dice is the better fit for us, and I stand by my argument. He has a fantastic mid-range jumper (in top 10 most accurate in the league last season - IIRC he was 5th or 6th), is great on the boards, a solid defender who would thrive in our system, and no headcase factor - in fact, the opposite, a great team guy who understand sacrifice for the greater good.
Parker/Hill/JackMack
Mason/Manu/Finley
RJ/Hairston/Gist
Dice/Bonner/Blair
TD/Mahinmi
I'll go to war with that any day. Great mix of youth and vets, and mix-and-match for just about any situation.
I'd offer him 10mil/2yrs or 12mil/3yrs and get him in here.
I'm with ya Ruff, IF, Sheed turns em down :)
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
I'm with you Ruff too!! :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
I'm hoping the Spurs get McDyess more and more now!!
My take:Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Parker/Hill/JackMack
Mason/Manu/Finley
RJ/Hairston/Gist(or Bowen)
Dice/Bonner/Blair
TD/Mahinmi/Rasho
The way things are going, Dyess is probably a full mle guy too.
Thanks for adding Rasho!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FvckMavs
He can still be effective...he is 7 ft!!!
Dice > Sheed
This might play in our favor. After commiting to CV and BG, Detroit might not have enough cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I don't think Dyess wants to hang around Detroit anymore anyways, but the Pistons being priced out certainly doesn't hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
If I had to guess, I'd say Dice stays in Pistons. They basically resurrected his career and it sounds like they want him back. He's pretty damn loyal ... as we saw last year.
Loyal and superstitious.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I don't think you can understate what it means for 'Dyess to have finally had a good stretch of health, and for it to have been in Detroit.
The guy's comfortable, and more importantly healthy, and I think it'd have to take something pretty significant for him to risk leaving that situation.
At this point in their careers, I think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
Exactly. On page 2 of this thread someone worked out that they have 3.8mil. If so, we can offer more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Really? I read something a week ago that suggested he was disappointed by the way things turned out last year - that he took a cheap buyout to go back to Detroit, and then they flopped. Can't remember where I read it and thus can't confirm the veracity of the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
10mil/2yrs or 12mil/3yrs ought to get it done I'd think. I'd be willing to go MLE for 2 yrs if necessary, maybe even MLE for 3 yrs although that's a stretch.
Shit. Detroit looks to have $4.56 million to throw at Dice in addition to signing Gordon, Villenueva, and Austin Daye. :pctossQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
That's okay, so we throw a bit more at him (10/2, 13.8/3) and promise him the starter's role and a shot at a ring... he sure as hell ain't got one with Detroit right now. That Pistons roster looks in dissarray to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Does Detroit even want McDyess though?..It's one thing that he's loyal to them..they should return the favor and tell him to look elsewhere, somewhere where he could win a ring..at least IMO..
Yes they want him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
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Dumars is on the verge of hiring his sixth head coach since he was hired in 2000.
"The one thing you know about Joe; he's committed to winning," said Dutt, who also is a consultant to Avery Johnson, the odds-on favorite to be named the Pistons' next head coach. "That's an important thing to free agents."
So is money, which may become an issue for Detroit as it tries to add at least one more player to its roster via free agency.
While Antonio McDyess appears to be their top choice, the Pistons will have $3-4 million to spend on McDyess once the official salary cap figures are released next week. Teams such as Boston, Cleveland, Houston and San Antonio also are interested and likely will offer McDyess more money.
"Antonio is in no hurry to make a decision," said Miller, his agent. "Of course he wants to see how the coaching search turns out in Detroit. But Antonio, he knows what's there in Detroit. At this point, he's just going to take his time and look at all his options and see what's best for him and his family."
If McDyess doesn't return, look for Detroit to focus more on Bass, who played the past two seasons for the Dallas Mavericks. In addition to Detroit, Orlando and New Orleans have shown interest in the former LSU star.
Bass, 24, is expected to receive an offer that will eat up most or all of a team's mid-level exception.
If Detroit can't land him, it will look at other free agent options as well as the big men on its summer league team, which begins play next week.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.s...or_piston.html
There you go, they only have 3.4mil to offer. We offer him 4mil/3yrs or MLE for 2 years, a starting role and a shot at a ring, and he'd be mad not to take it unless someone else offers the full MLE for 3yrs. At this point, I'd match that anyway. He'd retire with Tim in 2012, I'm down with that.
The real reason fans want to see him here is so they can call him "San" Antonio McDyess.
San Antonio is his namesake. How can he avoid a town that shares his name?
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McDyess hoped to remain with Detroit, but the acquisition of Villanueva has caused him to become more aggressive in pursuing other options.
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...ce_a_contract/
Thats great to here. Do you think Dice would be a better fit in SA? Im kind of starting to think he would. We really don't need a lot of offensive production at this point, just a big who can score here and there and has good veteran leadership. I also think he has more left in the tank than Sheed. Although sheed is clearly the better player I really would not be upset if Dice was our dude. I also notice things are real quiet about the spurs doing anything regarding him. I bet something is in the works, then again SA is going to meet with Sheed next week reportedly. Im anxious to see what happens.
It's not surprising to me he'd want to stay in Detroit, but I myself would have a hard time staying in that situation if I didn't think Dumars had a much better plan than what he's shown so far.
McDyess would fit in well in SA. He has the range on his J to make defenses give TD decent spacing. Plus he hits the boards very well. Wallace gets the pub, but McDyess just feels like the better fit for SA. The Spurs have 4 other guys who can put up points. I'd be quite happy with Wallace or McDyess. I'm not sure that the disparity in media and fan attention between the two free agents is indicative of a similar difference in their prospective impact on the Spurs' rotation. McDyess would give you all you need in the starting lineup.
http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp.../970247352.jpg
I also would be happy with either of them and agree that McDyess would be the better fit in terms of the typical Spurs attributes. but I have a some concerns about the size of McDyess. he is usually listed at 6'10'', but this is a bit exaggerated. he would be pretty much in the Kurt Thomas category, that's ok, but leaves the Spurs still short compared to the Lakers. (especially with the 6'6'' Blair). Sheed is a legit 6'11'' and we will need at least 2 players with that height. so, if they land Dice, they still need to find a 7 footer via trade IMO. (I don't see one we could get for the minimum or the LLE)
Don't you feel like that is just asking/wanting to much? I mean if they get Dice there not going to get much more. He's tough thats for sure, I guess you could say we would lack height in comparison to the Lakers but gain toughness with Dice and Blair...we would be a rugged team and still more of a hassle for the Lakers than we were last year. I think a big rotation featuring Duncan, Dice, Blair, Ian and on rare occasion Matt I miss every fucking shot I take Bonner is better than what we used to have and nothing to complain about.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
McDyess measured 6-foot-9.5 barefoot. That's a legit 6-foot-10.Quote:
but I have a some concerns about the size of McDyess. he is usually listed at 6'10'', but this is a bit exaggerated.
Dice is still 2nd on my list after Sheed, mainly due to the fact that Dice is shorter than Sheed! Sheed is 6'11, pretty much 7'0. Dice is 6'9.
McDyess measured 6-foot-9.5 without shoes. Sheed measured 6-foot-9.75 without shoes.
Basically the same height.
Sorry timvp I was typing as you were barely posting that. :lol. So you think the 2 inch difference or so in height really wont matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Quite the opposite is true. Otherwise, even at 6'10, he wouldn't be in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSpursFNRule
Sorry, I edited that post now. Looking back at their draft measurements, there's all of a .25 inch difference between their heights.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
I've watched that dude miss so many shots. Im also stoned and pissed off right now. Pissed off because I hate waiting for the Spurs to make a verbal fucking agreement with someone. :hatQuote:
Originally Posted by lurker23
that's the old numbers before the official pre draft measurements. look at some numbers and it's quite obvious that they are often not accurate. (they put all numbers in the without shoes category.) on the DX list, Tim is listed 6'11.5'' without shoes (this would make him almost 7'1'' in shoes) and I guess we all know well that this isn't accurate. Dice is about 2'' smaller than Sheed.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
There were official measurements back then as well. The story from DX is that they were given those measurements by an NBA general manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
So what do ya think timvp? Do we still got a crack at Sheed here? With the whole meeting next week and all...Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I realize that judging height from pictures can be tricky due to perspective, but nevertheless here are some pics of the two standing next to one another:Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5244/1033154618.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/592...d1d50e66c0.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3604/rasheed2.jpg
Both these guys are taking their sweet time and some team is going to be be left hanging. I think McDyess stays in Detroit.
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Originally Posted by Ariel
Funny thing about the first picture is that neither of them look too happy.:lol
That's what I'm afraid of. Both camps have said they'll take their time and look at all options. You can't blame them for that but maybe it's a good thing the Spurs have reached out to so many big men.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
They might not be able to wait for long.
Numbers game may play into Antonio McDyess' plans
By Vince Ellis • Free Press
It will be interesting to see what the final salary-cap hit will be for free agents Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, who made commitments to sign deals with the Pistons.
Whatever the final number, it will go a long way toward what the Pistons can offer unrestricted free-agent power forward Antonio McDyess.
The Pistons were working on the details Thursday. McDyess is expected to get offers from San Antonio, Cleveland, Boston and others.
The San-Antonio Express News reported that McDyess was one of the first players the Spurs reached out to when the free-agency period began Wednesday.
The Pistons would need an estimated $3 million to $5 million to make an offer to McDyess when the final salary-cap number is known later this month.
Gordon and Villanueva agreed to deals that average a combined $18 million per season -- appearing to wipe out the Pistons' salary-cap space.
But deals are usually structured with a base salary in the first season with 8% raises for each year -- meaning the cap number is lower toward the beginning of an NBA contract.
Signing McDyess might take away the need for Pistons president of basketball operation Joe Dumars to make a deal for a big man.
But does McDyess, 34, want to return or go somewhere else to pursue his elusive championship ring?
We can offer more money than the Pistons, and a much better chance at winning a ring (the Pistons' roster looks decidely average to me). We're also the perfect environment for a guy like Dice.
I strongly feel that he will be our other starting bigman next year.
Cavs have been in contact with Detroit Pistons free-agent forward Antonio McDyess. His agent, Andy Miller, told Booth Newspapers that McDyess would like to wait and see whom the Pistons hire as their coach before making a decision on his future.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....shaq_cava.html
Bobcats Intrigued By McDyess, Bass
Jul 04, 2009 9:02 PM EST
The Bobcats are looking to add a power forward through free agency.
Charlotte general manager Rod Higgins has contacted the agents for Antonio McDyess and Brandon Bass.
Both are unrestricted free agents.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._mcdyess_bass/
Boy from the pictures Sheed looks...... *drumroll please* a whole 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch taller than McDyess!!
Just like the draft measurements said! Imagine that.
:lol
Sheed's looks to have a longer wingspan than 'Dice but this should end the debate of people saying he's much taller.
Now if someone wants to argue that Sheed's plays bigger than McDyess .. you might have a point.
From the pics it looks like Rasheed has a short neck, while McDyess has a longer one. That's probably why Sheed can play bigger, he's literally all arms.
Question is, do the spurs need Sheed's length on defense? Maybe against the lakers it would help, but that's about it.
I'll still take Dice any day of the week I think he'd fit into the spurs team better personality wise, and he works his ass off on the O-boards. Seriously the spurs do not need another big man hanging out on the 3 point line, they got Bonner to do that already.
Better big man available for teams like the Celtics and the Spurs.
He is now better than Wallace at almost every aspect of the game; and by far on the defensive side.
Now that Wallace is off the market, McDyess needs to be brought in ASAP. The guy needs a ring and SA can give him one.
Should be priority #1 for us now.
who is also after Dice? CLE?