Free Agent: Antonio McDyess

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Originally Posted by DBMethos

Oddly quiet on the Dice front, don't you think?

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I was just going to say that. Very Spurs like.

So maybe the Sheed stuff is all smokescreen? Hmm, exciting times.

I would prefer 'Sheed to Dice though. But either would make me happy. :)

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I was just going to say that. Very Spurs like.

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I'm hopin'.

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Originally Posted by DBMethos

Oddly quiet on the Dice front, don't you think?

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:tu

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

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Wouldnt it be some shit if the Spurs landed both Sheed and Dice. :lol.

Sheed with the MLE and Dice with the LLE. The league would shit themselves! :lol

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Originally Posted by crc21209

Wouldnt it be some shit if the Spurs landed both Sheed and Dice. :lol.

Sheed with the MLE and Dice with the LLE. The league would shit themselves! :lol

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Dice for the LLE? :lol

But if somehow he would take that, damn that'd be full beast mode.

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Originally Posted by Muser

Dice for the LLE? :lol

But if somehow he would take that, damn that'd be full beast mode.

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Hey, we can dream right? :lol

either would be nice.
I would prefer Rasheed though.

Both is too much for me to believe is realistic.

:rollin

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Originally Posted by crc21209

Hey, we can dream right? :lol

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I think the Jefferson trade and Blair to the Spurs at #37 has raised some people's expectations a little TOO high :lol

I'd honestly be happy with either, then fill in the roster with the aformentioned Blair and younger talent. Between Duncan, Dice/Sheed, Blair, Bonner, and hopefully Mahinmi the Spurs shouldn't need both.

And if they need another guy, there's always trade options.

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The Pistons also would like to find a way to re-sign Antonio McDyess, an unrestricted free agent. McDyess' agent said Wednesday the Pistons remain on his short list.

"He's digesting it all right now," Andy Miller said. "The bulk of teams that have called understand the criteria we've outlined. We have our group and now it's up to Antonio to survey the situation and try to put them in some kind of order."

Detroit, Houston, Cleveland, San Antonio and Boston are believed to be among McDyess' suitors. McDyess, 35, is expected to get an offer starting around the mid-level exception ($5.6 million).

When asked if the firing of Michael Curry helped put the Pistons back on McDyess' radar, Miller said, "I think he would have considered them anyway, regardless, but that certainly didn't hurt."

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http://www.detnews.com/article/20090...lie-Villanueva

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Originally Posted by Muser

Dice for the LLE? :lol

But if somehow he would take that, damn that'd be full beast mode.

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If he wants to win a championship then we can give him the LLE and star role in HEB commercials.

I don't like it that the Pistons are after McDyess. He probably stays in Detroit if the money is close, unfortunately.

Although I can't blame the Pistons. McDyess should be a damn solid player for the next year or two.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I don't like it that the Pistons are after McDyess. He probably stays in Detroit if the money is close, unfortunately.

Although I can't blame the Pistons. McDyess should be a damn solid player for the next year or two.

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That is why I think the Sheed sweepstakes is even higher than what people might think it is. Because I have a feeling McDyess is staying in Detroit as well. SHEED OR BUST!

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Originally Posted by timvp

I don't like it that the Pistons are after McDyess. He probably stays in Detroit if the money is close, unfortunately.

Although I can't blame the Pistons. McDyess should be a damn solid player for the next year or two.

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Actually, if you look at the teams that are listed it looks pretty good for the Spurs if they want to go get him.

Detroit--They don't have his Bird rights because he was traded and came back last year. If the reported numbers on Gordon and Villenueva are correct they don't have anything but the vet minimum to offer.

Houston--If they have offered Gortat the entire MLE they only have the LLE or vet minimum to offer.

Cleveland--They are reportedly going after Ariza hard now w/ their MLE. Once again only LLE or vet minimum left.

Boston--We are only interested in Dice it seems if we don't Wallace. It appears if we don't get him it will be Boston, so once again only LLE or vet minimum left.

If the Spurs offer Dice the whole MLE or even most of it he may be had.

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Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding

Detroit--They don't have his Bird rights because he was traded and came back last year. If the reported numbers on Gordon and Villenueva are correct they don't have anything but the vet minimum to offer.

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we don't know how much cap space is left as long as we don't know how the contracts of Gordon and Villanueva are structured.
if they got contracts based on the allowed rise, the starting salary of Gordons contract is 9.4 million and Villanuevas is 6.0.
(hope my numbers are right)
after they waived Fab they are at 37.3M, that's 21.4M below the cap. minus 15.4 for Gordon and Villanueva, minus 1.4 for Daye, so there could be as much as 4.6 millions left they could offer McDyess.
(maybe I forgot some more cap holds, don't know all the details)
however, a 2 years 9 million offer for sure will be something Dyess will consider. maybe they even add a 3rd year, kind of compensation for the lost money when he came back to Detroit for the minimum during the last season.

edit: just read Villanueva might have got 40 millions. this means his starting salary would be about 6.8 million. this would reduce the cap space for McDyess to 3.8 million. still not bad, if he get's a 3 years contract, it still would be 12 million.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

we don't know how much cap space is left as long as we don't know how the contracts of Gordon and Villanueva are structured.
if they got contracts based on the allowed rise, the starting salary of Gordons contract is 9.4 million and Villanuevas is 6.0.
(hope my numbers are right)
after they waived Fab they are at 37.3M, that's 21.4M below the cap. minus 15.4 for Gordon and Villanueva, minus 1.4 for Daye, so there could be as much as 4.6 millions left they could offer McDyess.
(maybe I forgot some more cap holds, don't know all the details)
however, a 2 years 9 million offer for sure will be something Dyess will consider. maybe they even add a 3rd year, kind of compensation for the lost money when he came back to Detroit for the minimum during the last season.

edit: just read Villanueva might have got 40 millions. this means his starting salary would be about 6.8 million. this would reduce the cap space for McDyess to 3.8 million. still not bad, if he get's a 3 years contract, it still would be 12 million.

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You pretty much got it. We're hearing an estimate of 4.4 Million available. That figure may change depending on the exact contract for our 2 signings and the official word on the cap.

Personally, I hope you guys get him. Give him a chance to win a ring. He'd be splitting minutes w/ Kwame for us ... a team in transition that should be more focused on grooming some of our youth. Dice doesn't really fit in at this juncture other than being the kind of professional Joe wants on the team.

If McDyess stays with the Pistons it means getting a ring isn't a motivating factor.

Get this man in silver and black, now!!!

Get Dice!

If the Spurs are quiet on the Rasheed front, I'm assuming they think that Pop won't live with Rasheed's tantrums. If that is the case, Dice better be next on the list.

Agreed. Rasheed is arguably the better player, but I always doubted his capacity to fit in with a guy like Pop, and play alongside a guy like Duncan. Whilst he's had some great years, I think Dice is more likely to be the type of guy that will gel alongside TD and play a better mentor to Blair, Mahinmi and uh....all our other bigs....like Finley..

Dice is the man we are going to get, and he'll be a fantastic fit. If it does turn out that way, hopefully we'll be able to add one additional, cheaper big that can protect the rim a little bit.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If the Spurs are quiet on the Rasheed front, I'm assuming they think that Pop won't live with Rasheed's tantrums. If that is the case, Dice better be next on the list.

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wow that's a little disheartening if 'sheed is waiting to hear from the spurs for a better offer, but Pops not going to make the effort for someone like 'sheed.

I've been arguing for 2 months that Dice is the better fit for us, and I stand by my argument. He has a fantastic mid-range jumper (in top 10 most accurate in the league last season - IIRC he was 5th or 6th), is great on the boards, a solid defender who would thrive in our system, and no headcase factor - in fact, the opposite, a great team guy who understand sacrifice for the greater good.

Parker/Hill/JackMack
Mason/Manu/Finley
RJ/Hairston/Gist
Dice/Bonner/Blair
TD/Mahinmi

I'll go to war with that any day. Great mix of youth and vets, and mix-and-match for just about any situation.

I'd offer him 10mil/2yrs or 12mil/3yrs and get him in here.