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The main vectors for us so far are American tourists returning from Mexico.
Sanctuary cities ftmfw! hahahahhahahhaha
The goal of making any logical sense has long been abandoned by board Republicans.
Logical sense does not rise to the top in politics my friend! Power and greed will always prevail.
Once again with the board republicans. Rise above that left-right paradigm Chumpster!
Ok, you're just a dumbass.
FTW!
Hey Chumpy, explain to me the logical sense behind Card Check & Cap and Trade in terms of long term economic effects plz...
I'm not sold on cap and trade.
This thread is about closing the border.
You're still a dumbass.
I wonder what the logical sense is behind not addressing Social Security...
Certainly my dumbass is incapable of logical sense, but my government is saturated in logical sense I am sure. In fact, I'm positive logical sense is at the top of their reasoning when implementing new policies.
You obviously don't have the logical sense to stay on topic. Sorry your dumbass comment failed.
LockBeard (FaithInOne) and micca (hope4dopes), besides hiding cravenly behind sock-puppets, favor the verbal shotgun. It's great for hijacking threads or for covering up their inability to answer simple on topic questions.
:lol Too true. Well placed and phrased, Sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Hey precious whasts up. playing the don of spurstalks once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Anyone want to join my team of 4 to survive the impending zombie apocalypse?
Well I don't see any down side for closing the border, it may cost drug lords,corrupt politicians, and the sleazy scum bags that hire illegals to lose some money, but the working class win.Of course the bourgeois may have to wipe their own asses, and pay competitive wages, it will certainly hinder acorn from including so many illegals in the census,so the Dems don't gain more new seats, but hey couldn't hurt.
You don't know anything about international trade, do you?
Yes, yes. yes you don't know anything about the street ...do you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by hope4dopes
micca is all about the streets.
After you get off work at radio shack go the Mid West and tell them how well NAFTA worked for them go tell mexican corn growers how well NAFTA worked for them go tell the construction tradesmen how well illegal immigration is helping their economy, if after you've delivered your brilliant assesment of world economics maybe you'll get lucky and they'll just laugh at you.Whose economy is this helping. All I see is the rich getting richer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Perfect reason to close the border.
All those infected Mexican wetbacks need to be stopped!
micca's on the farm streets!
Shouldn't whinehole being throwing you a banana about now Chimp?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
micca's on the safari streets!
Wow if this is what you capable of, one can only wait breathlessly to hear about what you know of international trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Closing the borders would be very bad for international trade and the US economy in addition to not doing much to contain the flu at all.
That includes the streets.
The economic implications of closing the borders are far too great. Goods wouldn't be delivered and it would cost billions of billions of dollars, even if it were just for a short period of time.
It'd be disastrous for "Main Street America"
mother bitch... i need to read these fucking threads before I post.
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Originally Posted by jman3000
This message brought to you by the American Chamber of Commerce how could you doubt us.
Didn't you hear Obama the dumb fuck speak tonight. He said the damage is done. No closing the borders. Cows have already left the barn. Hahahahaha.
That was funny. As if noone with swine flu will cross the border now.
My friends sister was just on a cruise that stopped in Cancun all last week. The day after they left a couple people died in the area. She also had weird skin lesions that formed just a couple days ago.
The vast majority of the outbreaks are probably going to be because of people returning from vacation, but of course people will find a way to blame it on migrants or whatever. Are some cases going to be because of migrants or illegals? probably. Is it going to be the cause of the vast majority of the cases? No.
The ends don't justify the means in this case. Closing the border does nothing... it's not like there's a magical barrier that keeps pathogens from crossing over. It's a fucking virus. This things coming no matter what we do. It's gonna come from Europe, from Mexico, from everywhere. A Xenophobes wet dream.
Who was talking about illegal aliens?Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
I was talking about shutting it down for all crossings -- legal and otherwise -- both ways.
Why is that funny? The swine flu is already in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
So you are saying no American should be allowed in any other country now.Quote:
That was funny. As if noone with swine flu will cross the border now.
Most of the people I've heard on talk radio have been blaming it on Illegals/Legal migrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
On Glenn Beck this morning a lady called in from Ohio saying that some people at a nearby school got sick and that there's a large farming community 30 minutes away which has a lot of Mexicans and that something needed to be done about them.
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Originally Posted by jman3000
Closing the border does to do something. It helps prevent the swine from spreading. Texas high schools are not doing sports for 2 weeks to help prevent from spreading. My wife called and said they are closing some schools to help prevent from spreading. The Mexican professional soccer leagues will not have fans watch the games to help prevent from spreading. Closing the border will help.
So since the flu is here now, every other country in the world should cut off the United States from all travel and trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Good thinking. :tu
It's a virus. In a world with force fields it would work. If it was transmitted through blood... then maybe I'd be down with shutting it down for a little bit in order to get procedures in place to properly screen incoming visitors.
Let's say we do shut down the borders... ok good... problem slowed... at least in your heads. The fact is is that it's an airborne virus. People on the borders are gonna get it no matter what we do. Once they get it do we quarantine El Paso, San Diego, Laredo?
Hey, I was just calling you on your idiotic "xenophobia" baiting nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
But, yeah, Mexico City has all buy quarantined itself. Why not take some measures to slow or abate the spread?
So far the board reactionary plan calls for the complaete quarantine and isolation of New York, Texas, California, Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, Arizona, Indiana, Nevada, Maine and Ohio.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
I was baiting nobody. If you're a strict isolationist, this is just what you need to prove your point. I'm not insinuating that anyone here is a xenophobe... I was just stating what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Was my statement false? Would a xenophobe not look at this as a way to keep ALL foreigners out? I don't particularly like people from Dallas... you could call me a xenophobe of sorts.
Would a rational person not want to stem the flow of infected people -- regardless of their race or nationality?Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
Mexico City isn't going about business as normal why should we?
If one of the spillway gates on an eight-gate dam sticks halfway open, you don't throw your hands up and say, "ah, what the hell, throw the other seven open while we're at it."
Yup, unless you are Obama. "Cows are already out of the barn". Fucking classic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Yeah you are baitng pretty transparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
the Mexican goverment itself is cancelling public markets, schools and public
gatherings, trying to isolate the disease and keep it from spreading in mexico, yet if we attempt to do it we are called xebephobes and racists.. of course if you didn't vote for obama your a racist, if you went to a tea party your a racist, if you support sustainable population goals your a racist, and if you put cream in your coffee this morning it's a pretty good bet your a....what.......... a............RACIST.
Add Minnesota to the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
No Americans should ve allowed to go anywhere and all international trade should cease.
Sincerely,
Yoni and Jack
Well if your medical advice is as far seeing as your international trade analysis I think the average American can afford to ignore it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
micca's quarantining the streets!
Obama is not going to close the border because he will say "America doesn't do that" or "we're better than that". Besides, America will be racist if it closes the border even if it saves millions of lives. Not being called a racist is far more important to Obama than saving lives.
To bad Obama didn't do the wait and see approach with the trillion dollars he spent but he did have people to pay for his presidency.
So you want to completely stop around $750,000,000 worth of trade per day (I came down a bit from 2005 numbers) between the US and Mexico to stop a disease that is already confirmed to be in 12 US states from Maine to California.
During a deep recession.
That's fantastic.
As much as it pains me to say it, Obama is right. It takes around 4 days from the time of infection until the person shows any symptoms. They are fully contagious during the incubation period. So if this strain is capable of infecting people as easily as human strains then yeah the cows have already left the barn.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
As one expert I heard put it, if by mid next week there are 500 cases reported (he was talking about New York) then it is out of control and you can expect widespread infections.
Politicizing a virus...classic :lol.
Its called saving lives. You putting a price tag on lives makes u one sick fucker. Thats fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The flu kills thousands each year. Stop all travel immediately!!!! NO MORE TOURISM of any kind will be allowed.
Screw that. I'm headed to Piedras Negras for some pan dulce and chiclets.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Mexico is in a world of hurt. They are closing everything. We should help. Stop the spread,close the borders,protect our people. Look at everything Texas is doing as is. Help them. Close the border.
"Politicizing a virus" Who else can close the border. I wish the Mexicans would close the borders that way we would not have to listen to Obama talk about cows and barns.
The virus is already here. Closing the border won't change that.
I just heard this morning that the incubation period for this strain is 7 days. Since you didn't seem to understand my last post I'm guessing you won't see the significance of that. I'll try to explain it so you'll understand, the horses have left the stable, the chickens have left the coop, the dogs have left the yard, the bees have left the hive.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Translation:Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Thanks for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Are we closing the Texas border to the rest of the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Nope.
Did you call for that?
Nope.
Hypocrite.
If you're smart you won't come to Texas right now. Plus, closing the Mexican border -- to legal crossing -- would be a piece of cake and only involve a couple of dozen entry point (already manned by U. S. officials). Closing the thousands of crossings between Texas and other bordering United States would be impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I would certainly not travel here.
You realize its pretty much everywhere already don't you? You aren't that ignorant, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
:lol Yeah, that's why illegal immigration is so easly stopped. That's fucking hilarious.Quote:
Plus, closing the Mexican border -- to legal crossing -- would be a piece of cake and only involve a couple of dozen entry point (already manned by U. S. officials).
Nothing is impossible. You just think it's impractical and not worth the expense. I agree and argue the same for Mexico.Quote:
Closing the thousands of crossings between Texas and other bordering United States would be impossible.
So Texans shouldn't be allowed to go anywhere else then as well.Quote:
I would certainly not travel here.
Nor should any citizen of the 11 other states with known cases.
They should all be rounded up and isolated according to you.
If you were really serious.
Argentina, Cuba and Ecuador are reported to have suspended all flights from Mexico.
smartQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Did they suspend them from the US also?
(Cuba didn't have to, of course)
I don't think so. I think this was done a few days ago when the virus wasn't as widespread around the world. Obviously, it will probably be less effective over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
this is as stupid as locking your house door after the robbers have entered
those 3 countries don't have a single case of the virus yet. US already has dozens. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Hmmm. Mexico is infested with swine flu but since other countries have a few cases its to late to stop the spread. Real smart thinking people. Way to use common sense.:lol
correctQuote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
I guess Mexico should invite the fans back to watch the 176 soccer games this weekend, Ft Worth should open the schools up again, Texas High School sports should continue the games because its to late to stop the spread. HAAHAHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
I guess all the movie houses, malls and restaurants in Texas should close as well.
If you are really serious about it. HAAHAHAHAHA
Yonivore sounds like Michelle Malkin.
So now every country in the world needs to close their borders with and block all travel and trade with the following countries:
Austria, Canada, Germany, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, Spain. the United Kingdom and the United States.
God u are a little queen. Close Mexican borders. Contain the source. Don't let it spread any more. Thats were the virus is at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Sorry, all the states and countries listed are now sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
That's where the virus is.
If you truly don't want to let it spread anymore, you have to completely isolate all these countries.
wash your hands often, especially before you eat, and don't hang out with anyone coughing and looking feverish.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
are there any other simple instructions I'm missing?
:lol Air up ur tires! The gas problem will disapear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Is that all you republicans care about the fucking money? Bush couldn't have said it better... Oh by the way in your analysis you didn't factor in things like lost productivity due to a possible epidemic, nor lost wages, nor massive burdens put on public health services by thousand if not millions of illegals and the few citizens that may squeeze through.I guess you belong to the part of the economy that profits from NAFTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
What is your projection for all of the effects of this flu?Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
Give me the numbers that you have obviously been working on.
Prove you aren't talking out of your ass, micca.
Personally, I don't think people know enough about this particular virus to be able to make the kind of prediction micca claims he has gotten from his knowledge of the streets. Therefore, it isn't a great idea to shut off all economic activity in the world.
Where as your opinions are those of a well qualified expert in public health and infectous diseases and not the idiotic rambelings of a radio shack clerk. If we are to err wouldn't be better to err on the side of caution? I mean am I not talking to the same folks who can't sleep at night because a glacier recedes an inch a decade,who are pulling their hair out in terror because we have 2 less polar bears than last year, that we must banckrupt ourselves over cap and trade right now, who sign massive spending bills they don't bother reading because WE MUST DO SOMETHING, who send out watch lists for a secret kabal of right wing grandmothers and their returning veteran grandsons poising to launch a racist insurrection.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I'm sorry to disagree with you Jack but I've met a few queens,even if Chimp applied himself I don't think ever be a pimple on their asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
The opinion of the well qualified experts in public health and infectious diseases is not to close the borders.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
Now what is your opinion based on?
Oh yeah -- "the street."
wow, not one dissenter huh. all huh, let's see federal employees toting the party line....hmmmm no ox to gore there.Lots of freedom to speak without fear, perhaps they saw what happened to those grannies and vetrans you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I told you guys last week it's toeing the line.
You should have learned that on the streets.
And :lol at your feeble attempt to gainsay public health experts.
Here's a good article about this subject:
http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...,00.html?imw=Y
An excerpt:
Health officials argue that because the H1N1 swine flu virus is already present in so many countries, and readily capable of spreading from person to person, it's far too late to try to isolate one or two countries. Although uninfected countries may be able to delay the introduction of swine flu by imposing draconian limits on international travel, they would not likely be able to stave off the virus for good — and the economic losses resulting from the travel ban may far outweigh any benefits. One 2007 study by the Brookings Institution estimated, for example, that a 95% reduction in U.S. air travel would cost the economy $100 billion a year.
"Once the virus has spread beyond its initial focus, travel restrictions just aren't effective," says Ira Longini, a biostatistician at the University of Washington. With 4,000 flights a day between the U.S. and Mexico, "it's not worth the social disruption it would cause."
That's not to say that very strict restrictions wouldn't have some effect on slowing the virus. In a 2006 study, Harvard epidemiologists John Brownstein and Kenneth Mandl examined the effect of the sharp reduction in air travel after the Sept. 11 attacks on that year's flu season. They found that the initial flight ban and general decline in air travel in the weeks after delayed the onset of the flu season but did little to reduce the overall number of infections and deaths that year.
The data matches computer models run by biostatisticians like Longini, who found that even the strictest limits on air travel would only slow the start of a flu pandemic, not stop its spread. But, again, while that strategy may benefit countries that have not yet been infected with swine flu, there's still no way to know when it would be safe to lift those restrictions. "There's no question that air travel spreads the flu," says Mandl, a physician and researcher at the informatics program at Children's Hospital Boston and an associate professor at Harvard Medical School. "But the impact of limiting flights at this point is difficult compared to the downside of the economic impact."
As far as the U.S.-Mexico border is concerned, attempting to actually close it would be futile, since countless illegal migrants cross over to the U.S. daily. Trying to stop movement may just push travelers, and the spread of the swine flu, underground. It would create a diplomatic headache as well — the Mexican government has already expressed its concern over travel restrictions.
What works better are social-distancing actions on a local level — closing schools, having employees work at home and limiting public gatherings, where the flu can spread easily. Such methods worked during the deadly 1918 Spanish flu — cities that acted quickly to close schools and theaters early in the pandemic had peak death rates 50% lower than cities that acted more slowly. Today doctors could also prophylactically administer antiviral drugs to the close contacts of any swine flu patients, a strategy that has been shown to help prevent the spread of the flu. "Until you start to see really massive clusters, that can be a really effective method," says Longini.
Ultimately, however, in a world as truly interconnected as ours, we can no more cloister a single country than we could cut off a limb. The world has become increasingly one — as the rapid spread of the swine flu virus from country to country shows. "It is really all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic," says the WHO's Chan. Whatever happens next with the swine flu — whether it burns out or sharpens — we're in this together.
are we allowed to run over ppl coming over to my car coughing and sneezing?
according to Jack Sommerset we are allowed to run over mexicans on the road
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Originally Posted by hater
The first verified cases in this outbreak seem to have been in California.