Are you saying Obama was unaware of his family's accusations? I think I started this dialog.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yes or no?
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Are you saying Obama was unaware of his family's accusations? I think I started this dialog.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yes or no?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
So you are saying Obama accused Churchill of torturing his grandfather?
Yes or no.
Furthermore, are you accusing Churchill of ordering the torture of the prisoners held in Bad Nenndorf?
Yes or no.
So, why would he hold him up as an example without at least addressing the issue? That seems odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Apparently, I did. I should have put, "tortured my grandpappy [according to my grandmother]" Churchill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
My apologies to President Obama for the poor choice of wording.
Don't know enough about the circumstances. Other people are, though and it seems odd our President would hold up Churchill who, as it happens, has a problem similar to that or President Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So, that's a no...I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not at all. His thoughts are not necessarily the same as that of other members of his family. One would have to be an idiot to make that assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Which ones?Quote:
Don't know enough about the circumstances. Other people are, though
I'll need a link to those claims.
His grandmother's accusation wasn't an opinion over which to differ. It was a statement of fact with which he either agrees or doesn't and, in which case, I would think has a bearing qualifying his support of Churchill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Are you saying I should just assume he's calling his grandmother a liar because of his statement?
I thought I provided one...I'm pretty sure I did. Scroll down. Hell, google it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Nah, you didn't provide anything saying his family considered Churchill personally responsible. You just jumped to whatever conclusion might make Obama look bad because that is your goal here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
There is nothing in the article about Churchill's involvement. In fact, Churchill was out of office less than a month after the Bad Nenndorf center opened and about a year and a half before any evidence of mistreatment came to light.Quote:
I thought I provided one...I'm pretty sure I did. Scroll down. Hell, google it.
Kinda stupid of you.
Churchill was also out of office the entire duration of Hussein Onyango Obama's imprisonment.
Really stupid of you.
Yoni, I even gave you a chance to save some face had you been smart enough to pick up on it.Attlee was the PM of Britain from July 1945 to October 1951.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not Churchill.
The Mau Mau uprising lasted from 1952 to 1960. Churchill was Prime Minister from 1951 to 1955 (the second term). Obama's grandfather was reportedly arrested as early as 1949 and held for two years. There could have been an overlap but, even if not, there are plenty of stories of the British torturing Mau Mau insurgents over the years of the uprising and during their imprisonment by the British -- while Churchill was in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You're stupid.
I'm sorry I got down in the weeds with you on this; really, I am. It's always fruitless.
I should have done some more research and gone with the perfectly relevant argument of how the Mau Mau insurgents were treated by the British during Churchill's second term.
The allure of the Obama connection was just too much for me -- even though it's possible he was imprisoned for at least a short period of Churchill's term, the fact remains, many of his compatriots were and they claim similar treatment.
:lmaoQuote:
There could have been an overlap
Sorry I had to expose your ignorance once more, yoni.
Maybe you should put me on ignore again to avoid such a public humiliation.
If not, give me those links with people accusing Churchill of ordering torture in the two instances you brought up.
Maybe you should read my next post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So you didn't have any before -- but now you are feverishly googling to find some claim.
You will no doubt insist that everyone including Obama should have known of these claims in the first place although you yourself had no knowledge of these claims whatsoever.
Ok.
Nothing feverish about it. There's no clear date of arrest on Obama's grandfather and the Mau Mau Revolt didn't begin until 1952 so, I'm not sure when he was in custody. What is know is that the revolt started the second year of Churchill's second term as Prime Minister and lasted until he was out of office -- and there were atrocities claimed by the Mau Mau insurgents.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Seems Churchill's record on torture is much, much worse than the imagined crimes of George Bush.
Hmmm...maybe Obama is being intentional.
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
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Originally Posted by Yoni in the first post in this thread; an article he linked but didn't actually read
I can't speak to the accuracy of the dates quoted in the original post. In fact, further reading convinces me the Mau Mau uprising didn't start until 1952.
Sue me.
You're really going to parse this in an attempt to cover the claimed atrocities of the British during this period?
:lmao But you cited them to prove whatever point you thought you had -- now you want to question them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Are you so dense that you cannot comprehend of any independence movement in Kenya before 1952?Quote:
In fact, further reading convinces me the Mau Mau uprising didn't start until 1952.
Nah. You can't have much money if you are this dumb.Quote:
Sue me.
And continue through Churchill's term. Are you that dense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Okay then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Then, there are these claims...
The secrets of the London Cage
...that also seriously undermine Obama's invocation of Churchill last night.
1) The name Churchill name appears in the article a grand total of zero times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
2) Yoni is really eager to accept the word of a convicted Nazi war criminal as gospel. That makes a lot of sense.
This just gets funnier as Yoni digs himself in deeper.
Keep googling Yoni!
why dont you ask the question proposed to you first you dung douche .. why did he retun the bust ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Dunno.
Next.
I don't see DungDouches thoughts on why the bust was returned...
I don't know why he returned it.
I also don't think it's as important as you obviously do.
You know what?
I just saw a picture of the bust and I think I know why he returned it.
It's hideous.
Churchill looks like a burn victim or a leper.
http://forums.timesdaily.com/eve/for...0Churchill.jpg