General Trades Discussion

I wasn't on the Simmons wagon let me be up front.. but if he's not extremely expensive in the offseason, I'd like for the Spurs to keep him. He has stepped up in the postseason with some opportunities, and that was not a given. I like him even more than Mills to keep bc Mills is always a defensive liability, every time he's out there and I think shooters are easier to find than playmakers and simmons has improved. I wanted the Spurs to go for a real improvement in FA.. but I am skeptical about them doing that and if they will stand pat, and have to choose, I do prefer Simmons to Mills, specially a Mills that will play without Manu next season and with Tony injured.

Time to turn a leaf.

Man I would hate to loose Mills he does so much on the court and off the court for the Spurs he is one of those glue players that every team needs. As far as Simmons if he wants the money someone will give it to him but if he wants to last/stay in the NBA he will stay with the team that believed in him.

So what about LMA for MKG, Kaminsky and 11? With Kemba, Batum and Williams on long-term deals, I could see Jordan wanting to make a move to solidify his team as a solid playoff contender. They'd be just a wing short of an interesting lineup with the MLE available to try to acquire that player. The Spurs would do something I don't want them to and move a core guy for non-core pieces. MKG is a best just worth his contract if he can figure out his shot. If he can, he can have a Marvin Williams-like career as a small-ball four. Kaminsky is salary ballast. I think Charlotte would prefer to keep him, but it's not easy for them to come up with the contracts to get LMA, and the value is already shaky without him. For the Spurs, getting Frank would mitigate the need to use 11 to replace LMA.

Murray
Green
Leonard
Kidd-Gilchrist
Gasol

I'd definitely want to move Pau in this scenario and bring in a scoring big with better mobility. That D from 1-4 would be very interesting, though. At 11, they'd have some interesting choices like Ntilikina, Collins, Anunoby and Justin Jackson. Or they can stay lose to home, draft Jarrett Allen and hope that he becomes a great player with that crazy length.

I would probably prefer Collins, since that's my boy. But this seems like a deal where Charlotte could justify giving up those pieces, and the Spurs could still get better, especially if they dump Pau and use that cap space on a finishing player or two.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

So what about LMA for MKG, Kaminsky and 11? With Kemba, Batum and Williams on long-term deals, I could see Jordan wanting to make a move to solidify his team as a solid playoff contender. They'd be just a wing short of an interesting lineup with the MLE available to try to acquire that player. The Spurs would do something I don't want them to and move a core guy for non-core pieces. MKG is a best just worth his contract if he can figure out his shot. If he can, he can have a Marvin Williams-like career as a small-ball four. Kaminsky is salary ballast. I think Charlotte would prefer to keep him, but it's not easy for them to come up with the contracts to get LMA, and the value is already shaky without him. For the Spurs, getting Frank would mitigate the need to use 11 to replace LMA.

Murray
Green
Leonard
Kidd-Gilchrist
Gasol

I'd definitely want to move Pau in this scenario and bring in a scoring big with better mobility. That D from 1-4 would be very interesting, though. At 11, they'd have some interesting choices like Ntilikina, Collins, Anunoby and Justin Jackson. Or they can stay lose to home, draft Jarrett Allen and hope that he becomes a great player with that crazy length.

I would probably prefer Collins, since that's my boy. But this seems like a deal where Charlotte could justify giving up those pieces, and the Spurs could still get better, especially if they dump Pau and use that cap space on a finishing player or two.

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At this point, even Kyle Anderson is better than MKG.

I think the organization is going to be fired for next year. They obviously feel like they had a chance this year contrary to other people's opinion.

I don't doubt that PATFO won't hesistate in making moves. I think pop might legit think he has the best player in the world.

I don't think MKG is a bad player. He's a horrible perimeter scorer, though. He's a fine, versatile defender who rebounds really well. MaNu4Tres was talking about starting three wings, and that's one of the guys who could play the four at both ends while being able to switch all over the D. But without being able to shoot, it really limits what the offense can do, and part of going small is that you're supposed to have better spacing. It would be hard to score with my proposed lineup without some great free-agent additions.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

So what about LMA for MKG, Kaminsky and 11? With Kemba, Batum and Williams on long-term deals, I could see Jordan wanting to make a move to solidify his team as a solid playoff contender. They'd be just a wing short of an interesting lineup with the MLE available to try to acquire that player. The Spurs would do something I don't want them to and move a core guy for non-core pieces. MKG is a best just worth his contract if he can figure out his shot. If he can, he can have a Marvin Williams-like career as a small-ball four. Kaminsky is salary ballast. I think Charlotte would prefer to keep him, but it's not easy for them to come up with the contracts to get LMA, and the value is already shaky without him. For the Spurs, getting Frank would mitigate the need to use 11 to replace LMA.

Murray
Green
Leonard
Kidd-Gilchrist
Gasol

I'd definitely want to move Pau in this scenario and bring in a scoring big with better mobility. That D from 1-4 would be very interesting, though. At 11, they'd have some interesting choices like Ntilikina, Collins, Anunoby and Justin Jackson. Or they can stay lose to home, draft Jarrett Allen and hope that he becomes a great player with that crazy length.

I would probably prefer Collins, since that's my boy. But this seems like a deal where Charlotte could justify giving up those pieces, and the Spurs could still get better, especially if they dump Pau and use that cap space on a finishing player or two.

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Not terrible value actually.

I'd also check in with the Knicks at #8. Take back Lee's contract and OQuinn.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't think MKG is a bad player. He's a horrible perimeter scorer, though. He's a fine, versatile defender who rebounds really well. MaNu4Tres was talking about starting three wings, and that's one of the guys who could play the four at both ends while being able to switch all over the D. But without being able to shoot, it really limits what the offense can do, and part of going small is that you're supposed to have better spacing. It would be hard to score with my proposed lineup without some great free-agent additions.

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I see youre giving in to my notion from earlier?

I think its the best philosophy to implement with a Kawhi led team and it prepares us for the teams that matter most....1- C, 3 wings ( w/ size), 1 PG. The sooner, the better imo.

I've put it in other threads, but:

Dump Gasol on Minnesota, hopefully without giving up a pick, but if not, so be it.

Dump Anderson on a team.

Stretch Parker.

Sign one of Paul, Holliday, Hill, Lowry in that order, hopefully have enough room to keep Dedmon if said guard takes a start around $25m.

Use room exception on Hanga. Fill out rest of the roster with minimum guys like Beno, Splitter, Kris Humphries, etc

Really it's the only way to give Kawhi a chance during the rest of his prime where he'll have to deal with GS.

Paul/Holiday/Hill-Murray-3rd stringer
Green-Simmons-Forbes
Kawhi-Hanga
Aldridge-Bertans-Lee's busted knee
Dedmon-Milutinov/Splitter-first rounder/Humphries/etc

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't think MKG is a bad player. He's a horrible perimeter scorer, though. He's a fine, versatile defender who rebounds really well. MaNu4Tres was talking about starting three wings, and that's one of the guys who could play the four at both ends while being able to switch all over the D. But without being able to shoot, it really limits what the offense can do, and part of going small is that you're supposed to have better spacing. It would be hard to score with my proposed lineup without some great free-agent additions.

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I'd probably try to see if I can get Stanley Johnson before I give charlotte a call. MKG is just way too limited offensively and With Parker possibly out for the whole season next year ( at best he comes back in January), our offense is going to take a huge hit offensivley.

That said, MKG is one of the best defensive wings in the league. He's a stud defensively, I just don't see how it's going to work.

If we're trotting out a lineup of

Murray/Mills
Green
Leonard
MKG
Center

Leonard is going to have to shoulder the offense all by himself. I guess it could work if he's willing to hand MKG the defensive responsibility that he has now.but we know he's not going to agree.

I suppose it could work if we could add a Playmaking center that isn't Gasol. Anyone in the draft that fits the bill?

It will be interesting which way to go. Do the Spurs load up on defennders and rely on Leonard offensively, or do we find someone to take the load off offensively? The second option usually costs the most.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't think MKG is a bad player. He's a horrible perimeter scorer, though. He's a fine, versatile defender who rebounds really well. MaNu4Tres was talking about starting three wings, and that's one of the guys who could play the four at both ends while being able to switch all over the D. But without being able to shoot, it really limits what the offense can do, and part of going small is that you're supposed to have better spacing. It would be hard to score with my proposed lineup without some great free-agent additions.

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I don't think you can get away with the proposed lineup. Watch Pop start Kaminski instead.

I hate chinook. I rewatched a couple of MKG games this season..

Guy is a flat out stud on Defense...the great thing about his defense is that he's stronger than most 4s in the league. He's one of the rare SF's in that league that is 6'7 and at least 240.

Stanley Johnson in comparison ( i have no life) struggles in high pick and roll situations and isn't as good as a help defender.

Really sad about his offense, but rewatching 65 minutes of MKG again reminds me how he's easily a top 4 defensive wing in league. Might be the 2nd best.

He's offball defense is pretty darn impressive. Almost never needs swtiching to contest shots.

Such a shame he's this bad offensively..otherwise, that's a trade I would make in a hearbeat.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

So what about LMA for MKG, Kaminsky and 11?

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While this looks a fairly realistic trade, I don't see Pop rolling with such a line-up. Where does offense come from? The points/possessions used by Aldridge and Parker would have to be replaced by what? Murray driving and MKG doing... something? It would decrease the offensive ceiling badly and increase the defensive potential only slightly, as they'd still have a 1-5 PnR hole and unexisting interior defense. The Spurs would hardly be able to hang with either the Warriors, Rockets or Cavs even if they play great perimeter defense.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

I see youre giving in to my notion from earlier?

I think its the best philosophy to implement with a Kawhi led team and it prepares us for the teams that matter most....1- C, 3 wings ( w/ size), 1 PG. The sooner, the better imo.

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It's about having a legit guy at the four. MKG is one of the few guys I think can be a four up and down the floor every night while still having the body type I'd consider belonging to a wing. I've never been against having a combo-forward at the four. If you remember my initial plan was for the team to sign a guy like Terrence Jones to play at PF this year.

A team like Memphis would still pose a serious threat to SA in this scenario, though their usual starting lineup with JaMychal would actually be a fine match-up. The hope here is that MKG could keep up the D and boarding in a similar way to how they are with two bigs. In that same way, if Josh Jackson is somehow available with a Spurs' pick (like fourth-overall in a LMA trade with Phoenix), he'd be another interesting option, especially given his two-way potential.

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

While this looks a fairly realistic trade, I don't see Pop rolling with such a line-up. Where does offense come from? The points/possessions used by Aldridge and Parker would have to be replaced by what? Murray driving and MKG doing... something? It would decrease the offensive ceiling badly and increase the defensive potential only slightly, as they'd still have a 1-5 PnR hole and unexisting interior defense. The Spurs would hardly be able to hang with either the Warriors, Rockets or Cavs even if they play great perimeter defense.

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Well the roster is not complete in this scenario. This trade saves the team something around $3 Million, and doing anything with Parker and Gasol only increases the cap space they'd have to work with. You can make this deal and then sign a PG who can score better than Murray. And you can use your picks on guys who can score like John Collins and Josh Hart.

Hill, Murray, Parker, Second-rounder
Green, Simmons, Josh Hart,
Leonard, Anderson, Adam Hanga
MKG, Bertans, Collins
Room-exception big, Kaminsky , FA/Milutinov, two-way contract

Who could you get for the room exception? Maybe Motejunas? He's a good player if healthy, and his market is probably not very hoppin' right now.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Well the roster is not complete in this scenario. This trade saves the team something around $3 Million, and doing anything with Parker and Gasol only increases the cap space they'd have to work with. You can make this deal and then sign a PG who can score better than Murray. And you can use your picks on guys who can score like John Collins and Josh Hart.

Hill, Murray, Parker, Second-rounder
Green, Simmons, Josh Hart,
Leonard, Anderson, Adam Hanga
MKG, Bertans, Collins
Room-exception big, Kaminsky , FA/Milutinov, two-way contract

Who could you get for the room exception? Maybe Motejunas? He's a good player if healthy, and his market is probably not very hoppin' right now.

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Honestly, I don't like this team at all. It's worse than the current team and it doesn't have a better long term ceiling either imo. They'd be losing 5 of their top 6 scorers ( with Parker potentially out/not fit enough for the season), very difficult to become better with such a significant roster turnover. Would prefer the 2018 cap space over potentially owing $20+ mil to Hill, especially with the supposed high potential of Murray. If they could somehow get rid of Pau's contract and free up some additional cap space I'd much rather them go after someone like Millsap with a 4/80-90 offer than after a PG. Unlikely they could pull it off, obviously.

I agree about Motiejunas for the bi-annual or room exception if they can get his head right.

It's time for some turnover and youth. Let gasol walk. Trade LMA. Trade KA. Trade Danny Green. Bring Hanga and Milutinov over.
Trade LMA and KA to Orlando for the the 6th pick, Jeff green, and Hezonja. Orlando still has the 25th, 33, and 35 picks. I also believe they are going to try and trade vucivic for a pick too. LMA could be a much better player in the East. If we need to give some euro assets up then do it. Jeff green helps us at the 4 spot. And Hezonja could flourish in our system.

Trade Danny Green to the Brooklyn nets for their 22nd pick. It's time to move on from him. But he might be a good asset for the nets.

6th pick take Jonathan Isaac. A 6'10" SF/PF. Has a good shot and is athletic. Can spend his first year learning and developing behind Kahwi and Jeff Green. Also to add strength.

22nd pick take Jonathan Jeanne. A 7'2" center with a 7'6" wingspan. We missed out on Gobert. This kid is similar, but with a better offensive game. Gobert was the same size coming into the league. A ruin protector with athleticism.

29th pick Hamadou Diallo. An athletic 6'5" SG that has a good shot as well. Can develop between the Spurs and Toros. Eventually taking over the 2 spot.

With our second rounder take Alpha Kaba. A PF/C with a huge wingspan. Can also stretch out and hit the 3. Can spend another year in Europe or come to the Toros.

I could see a vet PG being brought in until parker gets healthy.

Roster

PG- Murray, Forbes, Hanlan, Parker
SG- Simmons, Hanga, Diallo
SF- Leonard, Herzonja, Isaac
PF- Green, Bertans, LJC
C- Dedmon, Milutinov, Jeanne

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Well the roster is not complete in this scenario. This trade saves the team something around $3 Million, and doing anything with Parker and Gasol only increases the cap space they'd have to work with. You can make this deal and then sign a PG who can score better than Murray. And you can use your picks on guys who can score like John Collins and Josh Hart.

Hill, Murray, Parker, Second-rounder
Green, Simmons, Josh Hart,
Leonard, Anderson, Adam Hanga
MKG, Bertans, Collins
Room-exception big, Kaminsky , FA/Milutinov, two-way contract

Who could you get for the room exception? Maybe Motejunas? He's a good player if healthy, and his market is probably not very hoppin' right now.

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That is a pretty bad team, chinook.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

That is a pretty bad team, chinook.

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Didn't want to say anything but I agree.

Someone Mentioned Millsap, if the spurs are looking to get rid of aldridge...they need talented players to make up for that talent deficiency.

You need at least a couple of all-nba caliber players to ever have a shot at the championship. Hill isn't one....and getting rid of Aldridge without an All-NBA player in return is disastrous.

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Originally Posted by palangi

It's time for some turnover and youth. Let gasol walk. Trade LMA. Trade KA. Trade Danny Green. Bring Hanga and Milutinov over.
Trade LMA and KA to Orlando for the the 6th pick, Jeff green, and Hezonja. Orlando still has the 25th, 33, and 35 picks. I also believe they are going to try and trade vucivic for a pick too. LMA could be a much better player in the East. If we need to give some euro assets up then do it. Jeff green helps us at the 4 spot. And Hezonja could flourish in our system.

Trade Danny Green to the Brooklyn nets for their 22nd pick. It's time to move on from him. But he might be a good asset for the nets.

6th pick take Jonathan Isaac. A 6'10" SF/PF. Has a good shot and is athletic. Can spend his first year learning and developing behind Kahwi and Jeff Green. Also to add strength.

22nd pick take Jonathan Jeanne. A 7'2" center with a 7'6" wingspan. We missed out on Gobert. This kid is similar, but with a better offensive game. Gobert was the same size coming into the league. A ruin protector with athleticism.

29th pick Hamadou Diallo. An athletic 6'5" SG that has a good shot as well. Can develop between the Spurs and Toros. Eventually taking over the 2 spot.

With our second rounder take Alpha Kaba. A PF/C with a huge wingspan. Can also stretch out and hit the 3. Can spend another year in Europe or come to the Toros.

I could see a vet PG being brought in until parker gets healthy.

Roster

PG- Murray, Forbes, Hanlan, Parker
SG- Simmons, Hanga, Diallo
SF- Leonard, Herzonja, Isaac
PF- Green, Bertans, LJC
C- Dedmon, Milutinov, Jeanne

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I like that team but take out Forbes he is scub

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Originally Posted by BackHome

I like that team but take out Forbes he is scub

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I'm hoping Forbes develops with a more prominant role. But his shooting is as good as mills.

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Originally Posted by palangi

It's time for some turnover and youth. Let gasol walk. Trade LMA. Trade KA. Trade Danny Green. Bring Hanga and Milutinov over.
Trade LMA and KA to Orlando for the the 6th pick, Jeff green, and Hezonja. Orlando still has the 25th, 33, and 35 picks. I also believe they are going to try and trade vucivic for a pick too. LMA could be a much better player in the East. If we need to give some euro assets up then do it. Jeff green helps us at the 4 spot. And Hezonja could flourish in our system.

Trade Danny Green to the Brooklyn nets for their 22nd pick. It's time to move on from him. But he might be a good asset for the nets.

6th pick take Jonathan Isaac. A 6'10" SF/PF. Has a good shot and is athletic. Can spend his first year learning and developing behind Kahwi and Jeff Green. Also to add strength.

22nd pick take Jonathan Jeanne. A 7'2" center with a 7'6" wingspan. We missed out on Gobert. This kid is similar, but with a better offensive game. Gobert was the same size coming into the league. A ruin protector with athleticism.

29th pick Hamadou Diallo. An athletic 6'5" SG that has a good shot as well. Can develop between the Spurs and Toros. Eventually taking over the 2 spot.

With our second rounder take Alpha Kaba. A PF/C with a huge wingspan. Can also stretch out and hit the 3. Can spend another year in Europe or come to the Toros.

I could see a vet PG being brought in until parker gets healthy.

Roster

PG- Murray, Forbes, Hanlan, Parker
SG- Simmons, Hanga, Diallo
SF- Leonard, Herzonja, Isaac
PF- Green, Bertans, LJC
C- Dedmon, Milutinov, Jeanne

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I also could see Herzonja stay at the SG spot because of his shooting. Having Simmons come off the bench and Hanga backing up Leonard.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

That is a pretty bad team, chinook.

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You're not going to get a good team after being under the cap for three years. And we all know that they'll win 50 games with that roster.

I struggle to see how replacing LMA with Millsap is better, especially considering the price difference.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

You're not going to get a good team after being under the cap for three years. And we all know that they'll win 50 games with that roster.

I struggle to see how replacing LMA with Millsap is better, especially considering the price difference.

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Not really advocating replacing LMA with an older and shorter Millsap. Just saying, team needs another All-NBA player if they want to have a chance.