It was a supposed to be a joke. Usually when people stop breathing it's involuntary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
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It was a supposed to be a joke. Usually when people stop breathing it's involuntary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Well, I ruined the joke by pointing out that 4 year-olds do, indeed, contumaciously stop breathing. I thought it translated well to Khalid Sheik Mohammed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Well, because our criminal laws prohibit coersion. It violates their constitutional rights. See U.S. v ParkerQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yep.Quote:
It's safe, humane and effective isn't it?
Coersion for what? It's just a little information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
They aren't cops.
And kids could die from those drugs.
You don't care about American lives.
They realized people dying from waterboarding was a possibility. Why they suddenly realized this isn't publicly known, but it could have something to do with the waterboarding. It's in one of the Bradbury memos they just released. Don't you read up on any of this Yoni?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Strawman. You're the only one who says so. This has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein.Quote:
On the one hand, you would have me believe they were running torture chambers resembling those Saddam Hussein was so famous for
How kind.Quote:
... yet, on the other, we provided medical care just in case something went wrong.
I think it's to makes sure guys don't die while we're torturing them.
Eh, he tried to make 9/11 about Saddam for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Should we start waterboarding 4 year olds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
People die from sleep deprivation but, you're not bitching about that enhanced interrogation technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
People die from exposure but, you're not bitching about that enhanced interrogation technique.
People die from devoping embolisms associated with being in stress positions too long but, you're not bitching about that enhanced interrogation technique.
What is it about waterboarding that has your cackles up over the fate of three terrorists, two of whom had valuable and actionable intelligence.
Hell, people die doing a lot of things. I think it was an overabundance of caution to have the medical team there. That KSM wasn't exactly the picture of health to begin with -- certainly not up to SERE standards and, I'll bet they have medical staff on hand at SERE as well.
Well, it was what we were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
I think you screwed up the context because, "...contumaciously stopped breathing..." makes no sense with your explanation.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Actually, by referring to the officially released tally of homicides, I was talking about all of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Prove it. Are you talking about that lame memo that proved nothing and can't be proved, now that the evidence has been destroyed?Quote:
What is it about waterboarding that has your cackles up over the fate of three terrorists, two of whom had valuable and actionable intelligence.
First it was because we care, but in the Yoniverse even this prudent precaution is too extravagant. What a surprise.Quote:
Hell, people die doing a lot of things. I think it was an overabundance of caution to have the medical team there. That KSM wasn't exactly the picture of health to begin with -- certainly not up to SERE standards and, I'll bet they have medical staff on hand at SERE as well.
Just plug in the definition you posted. It works. Ignore the other example if it confuses you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
So, you're opposed to the other forms of EIT's as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Four previous DCI's and former Vice President Cheney have said President Obama has memos that will do just that and has asked him to declassify and release them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Meh, He appears to have suffered no ill effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
You know, if you have to explain a joke because there was a more logical use of the term, it's ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Let's move on.
I'll admit it wasn't very funny, but it's a shame you're too dense to get it. Not surprising that contumaciousness would be a blind spot for you, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
As employed in the GWOT to date, pretty much. Bush pretty much went off the rails on this thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Aren't you worried sources and methods will be revealed, or national security otherwise compromised? When did you become such a big advocate for declassifying the intelligence portfolio?Quote:
Four previous DCI's and former Vice President Cheney have said President Obama has memos that will do just that and has asked him to declassify and release them.
Weren't you just calling Obama a traitor and a reckless man for what he's already declassified, like yesterday?
At any rate, the argument from expedience misses the point. Even if torture is useful, it's still wrong, and it's still against the law.
Contrary to form, you're been completely incurious about the legalities, Yoni.
Well, the memos being called for could do no more harm than those already released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
You've still failed to prove it's torture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
The administration maintains it was not and, went to extreme lengths to insure they didn't cross that line.
That you disagree with the OLC findings doesn't make you right. And, to my knowledge, nothing official -- judicial or legislative has actually classified the enhanced interrogation techniques used, as torture. Nor is anyone being prosecuted.
You don't know that. And anyway that's a horrible agrument. Because security has been compromised already, we should go ahead and compromise it some more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
That's nonsense.
I would say the results of the interrogations is less sensitive than the methods and practices employed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Sorry, I'm not buying your concern.
I don't have to. Official disclosure pretty much confirms it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Pussies. In the Yoniverse Bush was afraid of torturing detainees.Quote:
The administration maintains it was not and, went to extreme lengths to insure they didn't cross that line.
There's the hyperlegal mind we know so well. OJ didn't murder his wife either, Sherlock.Quote:
That you disagree with the OLC findings doesn't make you right. And, to my knowledge, nothing official -- judicial or legislative has actually classified the enhanced interrogation techniques used, as torture. Nor is anyone being prosecuted.
If it was so effective, Why did it have to be done hundreds of times on the same people?