Is NY next for same-sex marriage?

Oh, no Miss CA is going to have a cow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/ny...iage.html?_r=2

ALBANY — The State Assembly approved legislation on Tuesday night that would make New York the sixth state to allow same-sex marriage — a pivotal vote that shifts the debate to the State Senate, where gay rights advocates and conservative groups alike are redoubling their efforts.

In a sign of how opinion in Albany has shifted on the issue, several members of the Assembly who voted against the measure in 2007 voted in favor of it on Tuesday.

The final vote was 89 to 52, including the backing of five Republicans.


Times they are a changing.

If enough states pass it, at some point the full "faith and credit" clause should kick in.

Good news. :tu Glad to see people are beginning to open their minds

yeah....bakersfield is from the twilight zone.

:lmao at conservatives..

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

If enough states pass it, at some point the full "faith and credit" clause should kick in.

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There's an interesting tension between the full faith and credit clause and a provision of the Defense of Marriage Act, which purports to invalidate the constitutional guarantee of full faith and credit:

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Originally Posted by DOMA

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

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Originally Posted by Full Faith and Credit Clause

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

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If we reach that point, I'm just dying to read Wild Cobra's reconciliation of the tension in a manner that favors the legislative enactment over the constitution.

Too bad Texas won't ever recognize or approve of gay marraige (or even civil unions) without completely redrafting the constitution.

I was all for gays having the right be married until Perez Hilton opened his fat mouth and all the gays and feminist had his back. Let these assholes cry a little longer.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I was all for gays having the right be married until Perez Hilton opened his fat mouth and all the gays and feminist had his back. Let these assholes cry a little longer.

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What an informed and mature decision. And all homosexuals do not have Hilton's back. They find him just as repulsive sensible heterosexuals.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

There's an interesting tension between the full faith and credit clause and a provision of the Defense of Marriage Act, which purports to invalidate the constitutional guarantee of full faith and credit:





If we reach that point, I'm just dying to read Wild Cobra's reconciliation of the tension in a manner that favors the legislative enactment over the constitution.

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Tension? More like out and out contradiction. If the Supreme Court ever takes it up (or civil unions), I suppose Kennedy will be the deciding vote, and he did author the Romer v. Evans majority opinion.

So pollute our culture with the 'acceptance' of faggots.

Effeminate men. Fairies. Men who talk in high pitched voices and don't behave like a man should at all. Not all gays behave like that, but most do.

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

So pollute our culture with the 'acceptance' of faggots.

Effeminate men. Fairies. Men who talk in high pitched voices and don't behave like a man should at all. Not all gays behave like that, but most do.

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and this is why I contend you are just about the dumbest motherfucker in here. You asked me to prove it? You just did it for me

Manu, just sit down. You can't compete with me on an intellectual level. All you can do is call people names. Congratulations, you can get along with 6 year olds.

Faggots will be ice skating in hell before sodomy-based marriage wins at the voting booth.

Who will be the first state to make polygamy legal? Why isn't there an uproar for polygamists' rights?

what's wrong with polygamy?

the more bitches a man can get the better.

Nothing's wrong with polygamy. Polygamists are born that way. They don't decide who they fall in love with.

What's wrong with beastiality?

I was born this way. I can't control who I have sex with and who I fall in love with.

I want to marry my dog!!!

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

Manu, just sit down. You can't compete with me on an intellectual level. All you can do is call people names. Congratulations, you can get along with 6 year olds.

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Not only are you a dumb ass, you're a bigoted one at that. The whole "marriage is an institution" schtick could be understood if you were a religious person, deep set in your beliefs and were reluctant to give in to change... but what your dumb ass has proven in this thread is that the only reason you're against gay marriage is because you don't want to "pollute our culture with the 'acceptance' of faggots". :rolleyes

You an ignorant prick, with delusions of grandeur Heat. Your intellectual level isn't high enough to compute, let alone compete...

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What's wrong with beastiality?

I was born this way. I can't control who I have sex with and who I fall in love with.

I want to marry my dog!!!

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I. rest. my. case.

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Nothing's wrong with polygamy. Polygamists are born that way. They don't decide who they fall in love with.

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+1 I'm in love with the American woman.

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Who will be the first state to make polygamy legal? Why isn't there an uproar for polygamists' rights?

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Right on!!!!

I'll end the beastiality and polygomy nonsense. Marriage is between to adults. Game over. Please don't come back with your weak stuff again..

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Who will be the first state to make polygamy legal? Why isn't there an uproar for polygamists' rights?

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After Lawrence v. Texas, there was from some circles. But many would assert there's a legitimate state interest tied to welfare of women and children involved in such relationships. Scalia's dissent in Lawrence (which many seem to be asserting here) cited majority morality consensus (legislating on morality, mentioning bestiality specifically as an example). But if you can't find a legitimate state interest against homosexuality and civil unions other than "animus" (and Romer suggests, with the current court make-up, that would be difficult), they will eventually fall under Equal Protection. I think it's inevitable with regards to civil unions.

I don't represent most people in this regard, so don't lump in everyone who supports gay marriage with me, but I don't honestly have a problem with polygamy. Different religious traditions (including the second largest religious tradition on the planet, Islam) have sanctioned polygamy for ever...and society never broke down.

I don't see the harm in consenting adults entering into any relationship they feel like, why is it anyone's business what personal decisions people make?

I don't understand why polygamy is illegal in America. Marriages with incest can cause health problems like retardation but I'm pretty sure polygamy doesn't. I just don't get why gay people should be allowed to get married but polygamy supporters and enthusiasts can't. Besides, polygamous couples cannot control how they feel. They were born that way.

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Originally Posted by RobinsontoDuncan

I don't represent most people in this regard, so don't lump in everyone who supports gay marriage with me, but I don't honestly have a problem with polygamy. Different religious traditions (including the second largest religious tradition on the planet, Islam) have sanctioned polygamy for ever...and society never broke down.

I don't see the harm in consenting adults entering into any relationship they feel like, why is it anyone's business what personal decisions people make?

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Having to wait in line for sex sucks.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I'll end the beastiality and polygomy nonsense. Marriage is between to adults. Game over. Please don't come back with your weak stuff again..

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I'll end your homosexual nonsense.

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Game over.

Please don't come back with your weak stuff again..

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I don't represent most people in this regard, so don't lump in everyone who supports gay marriage with me, but I don't honestly have a problem with polygamy. Different religious traditions (including the second largest religious tradition on the planet, Islam) have sanctioned polygamy for ever...and society never broke down.

I don't see the harm in consenting adults entering into any relationship they feel like, why is it anyone's business what personal decisions people make?

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Well, there you go

homosexuality, polygamy, and beastiality in AMERICA!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

Well, there you go

homosexuality, polygamy, and beastiality in AMERICA!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just to bring this up, until there a surefire way to communicate with animals and know their minds, beastiality can NEVER be considered consensual. Pardon the pun, but that's a different animal altogether.

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Originally Posted by fyatuk

Just to bring this up, until there a surefire way to communicate with animals and know their minds, beastiality can NEVER be considered consensual.

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I'm betting that cows don't consent to being turned into steaks either.

Two guys or two women getting married doesn't effect my marriage one bit.

What about a man marrying two women or a woman marrying two men?

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

What about a man marrying two women or a woman marrying two men?

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Inherent gender equality and unhealthy environments for children with potential for sexual abuse are both legitimate interests for the state, it's not just an issue of morality.

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Originally Posted by Blake

I'm betting that cows don't consent to being turned into steaks either.

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Nope, but again to most people that's a completely different issue.

The act of sex with a human causes people to think of animals in more human terms. When they're foodstuff, they are objectified. It's a convenient mental distinction.

I'm sorry, but it's idiotic to include bestiality in the "slippery slope" argument against same-sex marriage. It ranks up there with sex with children and incest as asinine arguments. It's just not really related to homosexuality or polygamy.

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Originally Posted by fyatuk

Nope, but again to most people that's a completely different issue.

The act of sex with a human causes people to think of animals in more human terms. When they're foodstuff, they are objectified. It's a convenient mental distinction.

I'm sorry, but it's idiotic to include bestiality in the "slippery slope" argument against same-sex marriage. It ranks up there with sex with children and incest as asinine arguments. It's just not really related to homosexuality or polygamy.

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so killing a cow < raping a cow in your book.

got it.

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Originally Posted by Blake

so killing a cow < raping a cow in your book.

got it.

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Nope. Personally I don't give a damn about beastiality one way or another. As a society we vacillate between thinking of animals as possessions and second class people to accomodate our views of loving pets, but sanctioning deaths to provide food. I'm not a vegan, so what right do I have to complain about beastiality.

But I really feel sorry for you if you don't find a difference between what consenting adults do, and acts that can not legally be considered mutually consenting.

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Nope. Personally I don't give a damn about beastiality one way or another.

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funny since you made a comment about it.

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I'm not a vegan, so what right do I have to complain about beastiality.

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But I really feel sorry for you if you don't find a difference between what consenting adults do, and acts that can not legally be considered mutually consenting.

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I feel sorry for you that you are babbling on with no real point being made.

The government should quit raping our country.

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funny since you made a comment about it.

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Heh. Quite true. I explained it was a completely different argument than homosexuality and polygamy. It doesn't mean I care about beastiality; it means I care about bad comparisons and associations.

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Why do you like answering rhetorical questions with the answer I was trying to point out?

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I feel sorry for you that you are babbling on with no real point being made.

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Says the person I've never seen have a point... :p:

And no, I'm not jacking another thread to get into a long winded pointless argument with you again. :toast

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Heh. Quite true. I explained it was a completely different argument than homosexuality and polygamy. It doesn't mean I care about beastiality; it means I care about bad comparisons and associations.

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it's not a bad comparison or association. You admitted yourself you have no right to complain about bestiality.

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Why do you like answering rhetorical questions with the answer I was trying to point out?

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is this another rhetorical question?

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Says the person I've never seen have a point... :p:

And no, I'm not jacking another thread to get into a long winded pointless argument with you again. :toast

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If you've never seen me have a point then why do you get into long winded arguments?

I would agree that this a pointless argument though.