GM to file bankruptcy on June 1st

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

The fallacy of authoritarianism is that while the putative dictator is largely correct in observing that most other people are idiots, he fails to discern what that implies about himself.

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I agree. The fact is I don't want to be a dictator/authoritarian. In my mind...people should be told/forced to do what is good for the whole community/earth or whatever. But it'll never happen.

Personally I wouldn't care about it so much...save for a few personal freedoms I'm not that in love with my posessions. If tomorrow they passed a law that no one is allowed to buy guns...it wouldn't bother me in the least. If they said you couldn't own more than one tv...I wouldn't care...if I was forced to drive a Prius...I'd welcome it with open arms.

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Originally Posted by Duff McCartney

I agree. The fact is I don't want to be a dictator/authoritarian. In my mind...people should be told/forced to do what is good for the whole community/earth or whatever. But it'll never happen.

Personally I wouldn't care about it so much...save for a few personal freedoms I'm not that in love with my posessions. If tomorrow they passed a law that no one is allowed to buy guns...it wouldn't bother me in the least. If they said you couldn't own more than one tv...I wouldn't care...if I was forced to drive a Prius...I'd welcome it with open arms.

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man, you've got the vaseline ready for it, don't you. way to follow :tu

gm blows, chrysler blows. us had a chance to kill off a weak brand (chrysler/dodge) long ago set the example and the stage and now it didnt.
one example - the lame crossfire built on 97-2001 clk platforms, nice job.

gm spending money on 8 different brands when should have just focused on cadillac and chevy. gm's bullshit philosophy of painting an orange 8 different colors and calling it something else. it's still an orange

the prius is selling like crazy and toyota is stepping up production so i think most americans know what they want.

the same hybrid technology gm shunned at years ago, built bigger and more suvs and told every one it wasnt the answer mean while toyota and honda put down billions on it and now look, american auto industry started rushing these cars out like crazy

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Originally Posted by Duff McCartney

I agree. The fact is I don't want to be a dictator/authoritarian. In my mind...people should be told/forced to do what is good for the whole community/earth or whatever. But it'll never happen.

Personally I wouldn't care about it so much...save for a few personal freedoms I'm not that in love with my posessions. If tomorrow they passed a law that no one is allowed to buy guns...it wouldn't bother me in the least. If they said you couldn't own more than one tv...I wouldn't care...if I was forced to drive a Prius...I'd welcome it with open arms.

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I guess I can go ahead and lose all hope Jeeps will ever come with V8s/Diesels off the line :lmao

GM 1/2 Tons were suppose to start coming out with 4.6L Diesels. Damn it!!!!:depressed

don't fret^


http://www.truckcampermagazine.com/i...=761&Itemid=34

I would like to nominate Duff as the archetypical representative of his generation: sullen, nihilistic, lethargic, apathetic, and ready to throw away every good thing this country ever had for a pocketful of trinkets.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_gm

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

I would like to nominate Duff as the archetypical representative of his generation: sullen, nihilistic, lethargic, apathetic, and ready to throw away every good thing this country ever had for a pocketful of trinkets.

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Fuck you. Unless you let me nominate Yoni as the rep of yours.

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

I would like to nominate Duff as the archetypical representative of his generation: sullen, nihilistic, lethargic, apathetic, and ready to throw away every good thing this country ever had for a pocketful of trinkets.

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stereotyping a whole generation based on it's worst representative is fun!

(handpicked for you, ES)
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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

I would like to nominate Duff as the archetypical representative of his generation: sullen, nihilistic, lethargic, apathetic, and ready to throw away every good thing this country ever had for a pocketful of trinkets.

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i second that. looks like you've pissed off his generation. :wakeup

Better yet, you let me nominate Viva as the representative of yours. You and him share the same thirst for knowledge; don't you agree ES?

so will an idiotic czar be appointed to "overlook" this now?

don't look now, but i think i see a glimpse of capitalism. GO FORD!!!
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DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. is preparing an effort to gain market share while its two main rivals are bogged down in bankruptcy and restructuring.
Ford, the only one of Detroit's Big Three that didn't need a bailout from the federal government, plans to increase production of cars and trucks in the third quarter by about 10% from the level of a year ago, a company official said. It will be Ford's first significant production increase in almost two years.
In contrast, General Motors Corp., which is expected to file for Chapter 11 protection Monday, and Chrysler LLC, which is nearing the end of its bankruptcy reorganization, are planning to shut down their plants for nearly all of the third quarter. The difference in production plans will give Ford a chance to push sales through the prime summer selling months while GM and Chrysler focus on their internal issues.
"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to separate us from our other domestic competitors," said a person familiar with the matter at Ford. "No one is going to gift-wrap it for us. You have to deliver the product people want to buy. That said, you have to take this historic opportunity to grab market share."
Ford has seen a gain in retail market share in six of the past seven months and expects to see another boost when May auto sales are reported Tuesday. As of April 30, Ford's U.S. market share was 13%, according to the company.
In the third quarter, Ford plans to produce 150,000 cars and 310,000 trucks for a total of 460,000 vehicles, according to company officials. A year ago it built 184,000 cars and 234,000 trucks for a total of 418,000. The bulk of the increase stems from high production of the company's highly profitable F-150 pickup trucks.
The move represents a gamble, however. Gas prices have been creeping higher in recent weeks, topping $3 a gallon in some parts of the country. Further gas-price increases could damp F-150 sales, and a worsening of the overall economy could slow sales of both cars and trucks. If either happens, Ford could end up with elevated inventory levels later in the year.
The truck market "is still going to be a challenge," said Michael Maroone, president and chief operating officer of AutoNation Inc., the largest chain of car dealerships in the U.S. and the largest Ford dealer by volume and locations.
Ford executives played down the notion the company is trying to take advantage of the troubles of GM and Chrysler. "I feel for my competitors. It's got to be very, very difficult," Mark Fields, Ford's president of the Americas, said Sunday. "This is not a case of 'Gee, let's stick it to them.' We have been watching our inventory levels and we've seen our market share grow. This is really just us working our plan."
Like most other auto makers, Ford is still losing money -- it lost $1.4 billion in the first quarter -- but it has been faring better than GM and Chrysler, in part because it borrowed $23.5 billion in 2006, before credit markets started to freeze up, and was quicker to sell some of its fringe brands. As a result, Ford had a larger cash cushion. Recently it also raised $1.6 billion in a common-stock offering.
Ramping up production can be seen as evidence of Ford's cautious but growing confidence in the state of the U.S. auto market, which saw one of the most severe downturns in its history last year and may now be poised for a rebound.
"We're starting to see the light nearing at the end of the tunnel," Mr. Fields said.
Ford's production increase also raises the prospect that the Dearborn, Mich., auto maker could surpass GM in North American production this year, something that hasn't happened in decades, according to IHS Global Insight, a forecasting firm.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

don't look now, but i think i see a glimpse of capitalism. GO FORD!!!

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Hey, look at that!

Someone actually pointed out a positive in all this.

Ford hasnt taken $1 from the public trust. Theyre going to steamroll the market if Americans care at all about this country's ability to self-manufacture anything that requires engineering and metal.

ugh. I've been raised a Chevrolet man since I was a little lad.

This transition will be hard. Any color your heart desires as long as it's black! :toast

who makes Smart cars.. are they GM? (no I don't want one, just wondering)

edit: never mind, google tells me it's a mercedes company...

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

so will an idiotic czar be appointed to "overlook" this now?

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I'm guessing this is a dig at the cyber czar...

Do you think that a person overseeing our cyber security is stupid? Or do you think it should just be handled inhouse by the FBI and/or CIA?

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

I'm guessing this is a dig at the cyber czar...

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no just all the czars in general.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Do you think that a person overseeing our cyber security is stupid? Or do you think it should just be handled inhouse by the FBI and/or CIA?

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we have an IT dude here that takes care of our security. nothing new and/or refreshing about that. just a sign of the times.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

no just all the czars in general.

we have an IT dude here that takes care of our security. nothing new and/or refreshing about that. just a sign of the times.

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It's just a different head of security. Sure, it's a dumb name, but to me it looks like he's just putting someone in charge that can make sure the FBI and CIA are working together with the other factions of government to ensure that our cyber security is strong, and that, most importantly, all sides are communicating with one another.

From what I've seen, the government cyber security isn't too shabby. Couldn't hurt to tighten some things up though. I've seen some stuff come down recently that is a step in the right direction, but I'm only seeing it at a low level. Not sure what it looks like from up high.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Fuck you. Unless you let me nominate Yoni as the rep of yours.

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:rolleyes

No, the best representative for my generation would be the guy who believes society owes him a living.

Stop being so sensitive. Pointing out that Americans typically are fatter than people in other Western nations does not mean that you specifically are a fat cow.

If they're going to let GM go bankrupt, then why, why God why, did the government have to be the one who bought it?

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Originally Posted by angrydude

If they're going to let GM go bankrupt, then why, why God why, did the government have to be the one who bought it?

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Obama wanted to be CEO of a big corporation and play with the company.

Well that and he wanted to make sure his UAW cronies weren't screwed in bankruptcy court...

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Obama wanted to be CEO of a big corporation and play with the company.

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be careful there, yoni. you're flirting with godwin's law there...............

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

be careful there, yoni. you're flirting with godwin's law there...............

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No, see...it is your statement that is advancing Godwin's Law.