4000 dead military later, dickhead admits HE LIED

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Originally Posted by PEP

sniff sniff......what else chummy? Is that all you got?

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Your disdain for human life, especially Americans, is duly noted.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Insinuated repeatedly -- but not straightforwardly asserted -- by the VEEP and others after the war began. Lie is too strong a word for it IMO, but this vein of propaganda was misleading and deceptive. (Search "Cheney" "Atta" "Prague", e.g..)

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Not that I recall. I only remember libtards repeating that lie.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

And effective. So much so that a significant minority of Americans, years after the fact and after explicit denials by both Bush and Cheney of an Iraq/9-11 tie, still believe it.

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Example please.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Insinuated repeatedly -- but not straightforwardly asserted -- by the VEEP and others after the war began. Lie is too strong a word for it IMO, but this vein of propaganda was misleading and deceptive. (Search "Cheney" "Atta" "Prague", e.g..)

And effective. So much so that a significant minority of Americans, years after the fact and after explicit denials by both Bush and Cheney of an Iraq/9-11 tie, still believe it.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Not that I recall. I only remember libtards repeating that lie.

Example please.

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"Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?"

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Yes        No        Unsure                   
%        %        %                 
3/15-18/08

28        58        14                   
9/4-8/07

33        58        9                   
9/15-19/06

31        57        12                   
8/17-21/06

31        60        9                   
4/2-3/03

53        34        13                   
3/7-9/03

45        40        15                   
2/10-12/03

42        42        16                   
9/02

51        33        16

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http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

And what was the point the libtards are missing? You were elliptical.

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Me?

That the WMD and ties to Al-Qaeda were only two of several reasons. Saber listed a nice summary link.

Remember Public Law 105-235? There's that two. Regime Change was made law!

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Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Government
of Iraq is in material and unacceptable breach of its international
obligations, and therefore the President is urged to take
appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant
laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with
its international obligations.
Approved August 14, 1998.

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President Clinton was too much a pussy to take the actions that would have stopped 9/11.

Now I'm not saying Saddam had ties to 9/11, but had Al-Qaeda seen our resolve of such passed law, they probably would not have attacked us.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

"Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?"

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Yes        No        Unsure                   
%        %        %                 
3/15-18/08

28        58        14                   
9/4-8/07

33        58        9                   
9/15-19/06

31        57        12                   
8/17-21/06

31        60        9                   
4/2-3/03

53        34        13                   
3/7-9/03

45        40        15                   
2/10-12/03

42        42        16                   
9/02

51        33        16

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http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

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Since when does a public opinion poll represent what the VP said? The opinion is formed by the media they read, watch, or listen too.

What merit does it have on this discussion, besides prove my point?

...but let's not all gang up on Cheney alone - politics is a team sport.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Me?

That the WMD and ties to Al-Qaeda were only two of several reasons. Saber listed a nice summary link.

Remember Public Law 105-235? There's that two. Regime Change was made law!



President Clinton was too much a pussy to take the actions that would have stopped 9/11.

Now I'm not saying Saddam had ties to 9/11, but had Al-Qaeda seen our resolve of such passed law, they probably would not have attacked us.

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:lmao

Please. You no doubt accused him of wagging the dog when he attacked the camps in Afghanistan.

Why would Al-Qaeda have given a shit about what Iraq? Saddam was just the type of dictator they wanted to remove from power.

Now you are saying Clinton should have invaded and occupied Iraq to stop 9/11.
:rollin

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Since when does a public opinion poll represent what the VP said? The opinion is formed by the media they read, watch, or listen too.

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:lmao

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What merit does it have on this discussion, besides prove my point?

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Give me an example of Cheney explicitly saying there was no Saddam link to 9/11 to dispel the erroneous public opinion during the run up to the invasion.

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Originally Posted by PEP

I didnt see any of you over there, or am I mistaken? Did ya'll have to sacrifice anything during this war, did you leave your families for a year, did you get shot at, did you have nightmares or scared that you might get killed today?

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War is hell, crybaby. You signed up for it. Quit crying about the ingratitude, the lack of sacrifice and the comfort of civilians at home.

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Originally Posted by PEP

Keep typing all your silly comments about how it was a lie, its over and we went in and took out a fucking bastard who deserved to be tortured instead of getting the easy way out by being hanged.

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It's not over yet, and it wasn't in the country's best interest. The casus belli was a mirage. Taking out mean effing bastards may suit you well enough, but a lot of people take war and the national interest much more seriously.

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Originally Posted by PEP

Waah, Waah, Waah, silly cry babies. Innocent people were killed, innocent people are killed every fucking day, grow up peeps. life isnt fair. :downspin:

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We're civilians. We're entitled to cry about anything we want. As a soldier, you had to accept the bogus rationales for war; we don't have to.

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

...but let's not all gang up on Cheney alone - politics is a team sport.

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Nothing wrong with those statements when you recall the context of them.

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

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The Czech intelligence service reported...is not a straightforward assertion. Misleading? Without any doubt. A lie? Not really, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Me?

That the WMD and ties to Al-Qaeda were only two of several reasons. Saber listed a nice summary link.

Remember Public Law 105-235? There's that two. Regime Change was made law!

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Out of respect for Clinton era foreign policy, GWB took care to see the law was fulfilled. Is that your argument now?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Out of respect for Clinton era foreign policy, GWB made sure to see the law was fulfilled. Is that your argument now?

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But not in time to stop 9/11!

Bush was a pussy!

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

The Czech intelligence service reported...is not a straightforward assertion. Misleading? Without any doubt. A lie? Not really, IMO.

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"It's pretty well confirmed"

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

"It's pretty well confirmed"

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Is not a clear assertion either IMO, and Cheney was careful to rebut it at the beginning of the clip you posted.

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

"It's pretty well confirmed"

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Well, he obviously forgot his own exact words of the past, but he never did say it was confirmed. If he didn't forget his words of the past, he may bave mis-heard her repeat them.

Either way, "pretty well confirmed" IS NOT "confirmed!"

The closest lie you have is Cheney denying he said something that was pretty likely the truth!

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Well, he obviously forgot his own exact words of the past, but he never did say it was confirmed. If he didn't forget his words of the past, he may bave mis-heard her repeat them!

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How generous. Are you always so generous to public officials who say misleading things?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Is not a clear assertion either IMO, and Cheney was careful to rebut it at the beginning of the clip you posted.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Well, he obviously forgot his own exact words of the past, but he never did say it was confirmed. If he didn't forget his words of the past, he may bave mis-heard her repeat them.

Either way, "pretty well confirmed" IS NOT "confirmed!"

The closest lie you have is Cheney denying he said something that was pretty likely the truth!

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Even granting your overgenerous lattitude to parse words, "unconfirmed" does not come after "pretty well confirmed".

Lies or not it was all pointless.

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Originally Posted by FaithInOne

Lies or not it was all pointless.

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The Iraq war isn't quite in the past tense, my man. 24 Americans died there last month.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Never was any evidence of Saddam-WTC link.


http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/...evidence-iraq/

Waterboard this evil motherfucker for the rest of sorry life.

BoniVore, tell again how Saddam was tied to 9/11 and AQ? :lol

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A) Vice President Cheney has never claimed Iraq was directly involved with the September 11th attacks.

B) I suggested it was possible and still believe so, based on his support of terrorism and his known relationships with terrorists.

C) The closest the administration ever came to accusing Iraq of involvement in 9/11 was by saying they supported and had relationships with terrorist organizations "like" those that committed the attacks.

Damn, 2 pages on this tired old meme?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

How generous. Are you always so generous to public officials who say misleading things?

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Politicians on the right are extremely nuanced and only those who aren't media lemmings are capable of understanding the nuance in their positions.

Politicians on the left deserve to be ridiculed when they even attempt to be nuanced.

Pretty simple, really.

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Originally Posted by PixelPusher

Even granting your overgenerous lattitude to parse words, "unconfirmed" does not come after "pretty well confirmed".

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I make a distinction between bs and straightforward lies. The actual lie the bs served was inferential rather than stated. People took the bs about Atta in Prague and filled in the blanks themselves. This kind of misrepresentation is sly, manipulative and dishonorable IMO. But it is not lying. It is like the famous sixteen words in Bush's state of the union speech. To say that "Czech/British intelligence reports" something is not a deliberate falsehood, even if the report is bogus.

Cheney's tentative, deliberately hedged linkage between Saddam and Al Qaeda is closer to bs than lying IMO, but some people are not as philosophical about it. C'est la guerre.

Lagniappe: http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/a...70AA729B26.asp

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

How generous. Are you always so generous to public officials who say misleading things?

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Depends on what they are saying, and if they really believe it or not. I think in this case, he wanted to believe the connection, but didn't have the proof. He wasn't foolish enough to say there was proof. Nor was it ant thing close to a lie. I never saw it as a misleading statement anyway. "pretty well confirmed" is understandable to me. Are you saying that's misleading?