Killing the Muslim world with kindness

Further, since when is one a "liberal" (in the modern sense) for desiring something other than the State dragging the people into yet another war?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I feel you are a complete dumbass for not getting the joke -- and that wouldn't even explain anything to do with Wright.

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Ah meltdown for the monkey

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Originally Posted by David Bowie

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I actually think that Obama is one with the Muslim terroists and is being supported financially by them. Him coming to power has been in the works for a long time imo. He actually told the French press that United States is one of the Largest Muslim Nations in the world.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131681

But I'm sure all the liberals will still masturbate to Obama's image when terrorists infiltrate the U.S. and Israel even more then they have already

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:wow

I had to do a double take on the person who posted this. Are you joking? I never had you pegged as batshit insane.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

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I had to do a double take on the person who posted this. Are you joking? I never had you pegged as batshit insane.

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Well, I lean far left in domestic policy (pro gay marriege, affirmative action, abortion, etc.) and far right in foreign policy. I absolutly hate terrorist apologists and I hate it that Obama is trying to appeace nations that openly hate the United Sates and Israel and think that we are the root of all evil. He reminds me of Jimmy Carter who didn't do anything while Iran held American hostages for a whole year. And yes, I do think it's possible that Obama is affiliated with the terrorists.

You'll fit right in around here DB. It'll help that you're not mentally robust.:monkey

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Originally Posted by hope4dopes

Ah meltdown for the monkey

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Are you seriously accusing someone else of melting down?
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Originally Posted by David Bowie

And yes, I do think it's possible that Obama is affiliated with the terrorists.

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Please explain this theory of yours as fully as you possibly can.
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The GOP has no fucking hope in the next mid terms. Look at this thread. Just look at it.

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Originally Posted by Supergirl

There is probably not a person on this planet better poised to bridge the huge gap between the Muslim world and the Western world, between the racial, religious, and economic differences in America and the world.

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That's laying it on a little thick. He's just a man.

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Originally Posted by David Bowie

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I actually think that Obama is one with the Muslim terroists and is being supported financially by them.

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Not that just; Obama flew the planes into the WTC by remote control, pushed the button to collapse WTC 7, infiltrated the banks to create the financial crisis, AND rigged the voting so Adam Lambert would lose American Idol. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!! :tu

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Originally Posted by hope4dopes

Tell me how did obama become editor of the law review oh and how did he get into harvard, and why won't he release his SAT scores or any of his college transcripts....

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Well, obviously, it can't be on merit since he's just a dumb Negro, right?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No shit. They wonder why they are out of power. Liberals might have the wrong answers but at least they can tell what the questions are.[stolen from someone I can't remember]

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From me. You're welcome.

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Originally Posted by David Bowie

Well, I lean far left in domestic policy (pro gay marriege, affirmative action, abortion, etc.) and far right in foreign policy. I absolutly hate terrorist apologists and I hate it that Obama is trying to appeace nations that openly hate the United Sates and Israel and think that we are the root of all evil. He reminds me of Jimmy Carter who didn't do anything while Iran held American hostages for a whole year. And yes, I do think it's possible that Obama is affiliated with the terrorists.

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Welcome to the board dead ender!

Check out Jon Stewart's take on the backlash to Obama's speech in Cairo:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...-comity-in-the

I liked how some of the radio hosts yesterday were making fun of the Koran's story of Isra (where Mohammed, Abraham, and Jesus all got together and chilled) ... as if that's so far fetched... but 800 year old men, a boat filled with every species on Earth, turning water into wine, talking shrubbery, talking donkeys, and talking snakes are all par for the course.

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Originally Posted by Supergirl

There is probably not a person on this planet better poised to bridge the huge gap between the Muslim world and the Western world, between the racial, religious, and economic differences in America and the world. It doesn't mean it will work, but credit Obama for trying to use his unique heritage in a diplomatic way.

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Well, he may well be the best person to do it, but he has to walk a fine line between The Power of Positive Appeasement and projecting American power. It just seems to me that he is loath to project American strength and resolve. America is the lone superpower, not because of arrogance (which he keeps saying), but because of what this country has done throughout history. Americans should be proud of that history, but it appears that Mr. Obama is ashamed of it, and that disappoints me.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

America is the lone superpower, not because of arrogance (which he keeps saying),

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I hate to pull a Chump Dumper... but when did he say that? He actually said that America is a lone superpower because we're arrogant?

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Again, for the board Repubs...

Obama. Is. A. Politician.

Politicians are hypocrites all the time. They spin something one way to please one crowd, and they spin it another way to please another crowd.

Frankly, any politician who doesn't do that isn't doing a good job, I feel. It's one thing to lie blatantly, it's another to spin.

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As an ardent supporter of President Obama, it doesn't mean we can't lose respect for the time he spun it one way. The fact is it's easier to explain you don't have any connection to it than to tell the stories he told yesterday. One way affects the polls in a positive direction in short soundbytes and little discord (or discourse), the other leaves people wondering what the truth is?

Still, he may not be lying. Saying that you're emersed in one culture and hold the belief systems of another is just having a minority opinion. In other words, being Christian, especially in America, doesn't mean that you never are exposed to the Muslim faith.

I agree with his assessment that America as a lone superpower will invetibly fail. I can't see the logic behind trying to refute that.

It's just too much strain monetarily and militarily to pretty much police the entire world for an extended period of time. Just because we're super bad ass doesn't mean we have to sit there flexing our muscle at maximum capacity indefinately. The pussy ass Euro's need to step up to the plate and contribute more instead of piggy backing us in order to get all the rewards and none of the responsibility.

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I hate to pull a Chump Dumper... but when did he say that? He actually said that America is a lone superpower because we're arrogant?

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Well, it's implied.


This part of his Cairo speech is pretty telling.

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We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world - tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of co-existence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam.

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Wow. I can't believe there's another person here who thinks Obama is a terrorist. :pctoss

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Wow. I can't believe there's another person here who thinks Obama is a terrorist. :pctoss

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Yeah, that's ridiculous.


I just wish Obama was more JFK and less Jimmy Carter.

i can't believe midterm elections can be predicted through a silly message board. i must've missed the memo.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Well, it's implied.


This part of his Cairo speech is pretty telling.

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Telling w/r/t what? Is there some part of the passage that strikes you as historically inaccurate?

There were European colonies in the ME until the end of WWII. After WWII, the region was divvied up into US and Soviet proxies, which meant we ended up in bed with some pretty unsavory strongmen, and our role in the 1953 overthrow of of Mossadegh in Iran is undisputed.

What are you disputing, Darrin? Obama's accurate recitation of the facts?

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Telling w/r/t what? Is there some part of the passage that strikes you as historically inaccurate?

There were European colonies in the ME until the end of WWII. After WWII, the region was divvied up into US and Soviet proxies, which meant we ended up in bed with some pretty unsavory strongmen, and our role in the 1953 overthrow of of Mossadegh in Iran is undisputed.

What are you disputing, Darrin? Obama's accurate recitation of the facts?

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Well, I guess you think 30 years of terrorism is our fault too. Bravo.


It's strange that so many of those former colonies aren't flying airplanes into American and British buildings.

Moreover, modernity and globalization dissolve all traditional cultures, not just Islam.

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Well, it's implied.


This part of his Cairo speech is pretty telling.

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nothing in what you posted sayed anything about America being arrogant.

after WWI France and Britain pretty much owed the Middle East. they set up boundaries based on man made or geographical criteria and pretty much held no regard for exactly who lived on that land.

I think you think he was talking about our occupation of Iraq... but when he uses the word "colonialism" it pretty much points to the treatment the Middle East experienced under harsh French / British rule. I mean just look at their colonial track record. pretty much everywhere they've set up shop they've pissed people off and created resentment.

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Well, I guess you think 30 years of terrorism is our fault too. Bravo.

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Did I say so? No.

The reality of the grievances doesn't justify terrorism, but it's part of the context. You like your blinkers. I prefer history. Vive le difference.