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You know, if it were the Israelis that were hijacking planes, killing Olympic athletes, training their kids to become human WMD's, giving their kids textbooks that said it was their duty to eradicate Palestinians, I'd probably be on the other side of this issue.
There might be other reasons, and many others besides just terrorists learn it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
E. g., Pashtun culture obliges revenge for the fallen. Colonialism isn't even past yet, and the US isn't peripheral to the 20th and 21st century versions. Just saying.
The blood feud is a bitch for sure. I'd rather we not take sides in it, given my druthers, but diplomacy would have it otherwise. C'est la guerre. It ought to be a routine, LE matter. Time was US wasn't obliged to effect the course of other countries' internal affairs, but now Obama is acting all tough about the territories. What business is that of his?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
If you had a brain capable of thinking on a non superficial level you'd probably be on a different side of the issue. If you ever had to talk to the innocents who are caught up in this mess and had their land robbed out from underneath them you might side differently on this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
But you're not capable of thought in that manner, so why even bother contemplating the possibility?
Israel is the only country we have ever allowed to attack and sink a US ship without any repercussions whatsoever. Our men died by their hands. But don't forget, they were victims of the holocaust, so it's okay that they did that!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
They attacked us, purposefully, killed our men to send a message, and it worked. We did nothing.
So suck on that you fucking neocon.
If you knew anything about the right-wing Irgun, then you know they did use violence. And lots of the ultra right wing Jews still profess violence against Arabs. In fact go to PBS and look up Israel's Next War on their documentaries and you'll see.
Hell look up Rabbi Meir Kahane. That's nothing if not terrorism right there.
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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
At least WH and MB are somewhat thoughtful. You're just a fucking moron.
Just thought I'd return the favor.
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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Are you referring to the USS Liberty?
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Originally Posted by Winehole23
Some see Israel as an aggressive, militant, marauding people. I happen to see them as a very paranoid and defensive people -- and for good reason, given history.
You know why 911 didn't happen in Israel? They've had significant security at their airports for years. We are a more open and trusting society, or at least, we were.
Let's say we didn't spend all these billions on wars in the ME and instead spent the money building a Palestinian state. Do you think this would've solved the issue? It kinda reminds me of the guy with the "Will work for food" sign. I actually offered one of these guys some work once. Once.
This conflict did not begin in 1967 or even in 1948 , anyone who thinks the settlements are the "main obstacle to peace in the Middle East" is fucking deluded.
I'm not one to call someone names...but you're an idiot if you think that if we gave even 1/4 of the aid we give to Israel to the Palestinians it wouldn't be a much easier issue to solve.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
The West Bank and more importantly Gaza suffer from lack of infrastructure, money, food shortages, and fuel shortages due to Israels complete control of what goes in and out of those places. If they had money to feed their people and provide services, their wouldn't be nearly as many terrorists.
Terrorism only exists when people have no alternative to their grievances. It's an act of desperation and sadly the reality is many Palestinians are desperate because Israel's policies in the West Bank and Gaza have made them that way.
the settlements have totally destroyed any chance of Palestine being a viable state. A map of Gaza looks like a jigsaw puzzle missing half the pieces (the missing pieces being Israeli settlements).
Israel abandoned the settlements in Gaza in august 2005..Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
I am familiar with your naive and somewhat simplistic moral gloss, DarrinS. It shows in your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I miss it. I'd take it back in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
No, I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Isn't it bad enough already that we insisted Palestinians be allowed to vote for whomever they please?
No the other ship that Israel sank for bull shit reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Well, the US response to the attack on the Pueblo was a bit nonexistent, but that doesn't invalidate your main assertion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
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Originally Posted by Duff McCartney
Complete and utter bullshit.
Well, my view is as follows. Once the war the Palestinians have started against Israel stops, Israel can leave Palestine. Israel has the right to control Palestine as they please. It is effectively a war, and this is Israels strategy, to control areas and reduce arms movements, as at the phase Israel ids the victor. I will not ask that Israel remove themselves from the occupied areas until Israel is safe from attack.
What's offensive is the fact that it is being used as a justification for Israel transcending the fine line between right and wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supergirl
One can go on for hours and hours debating on who the land belongs to....
but arguing over the fact that Israel's expansion isn't wrong just augments the infected wart of ignorance found in this forum.
Do you honestly believe everyone perceives it this way? Are you really that stupid? Claiming that the Palestinians alone started the conflict is the ignorance i was talking about. I'm not going to take a side but have you ever thought that the creating of Israel itself initiated the conflict?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
If you come take my house and I end up retaliating...who really started it? I'll let you ponder upon this difficult question.
You're a fucking moron. It happened to us because of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
The sheep on this forum will open their mouth to every ounce of Jizz they see on t.v.
Is independent thinking sinful now or something?
Yuck.
Palestinians may see it the other way around. Both of them are right, and both of them are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Thank you, Proconsul Cobra. This is a minority view I think, but it has its adherents.Quote:
Israel has the right to control Palestine as they please.
The militarization of policy in the PA has unforseeable consequences. *Safety from attack* does not necessarily follow from harsh security measures.Quote:
It is effectively a war, and this is Israels strategy, to control areas and reduce arms movements, as at the phase Israel ids the victor. I will not ask that Israel remove themselves from the occupied areas until Israel is safe from attack.
http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/200...m-its-creator/Quote:
Originally Posted by PixelPusher
I think it's worth a repost.
I fail to see why America is the arbiter of which country is 'responsible' enough to have nukes and which aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
In a political way, that is, not a realpolitik one.