Barack Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

In the case of abolition, there were obviously moral arguments to be made that were independent of God.

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What makes something moral?

:stirpot:

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Having faith in a higher power, supreme being, creator, etc. is no crazier than worshiping a teleprompter quoting community organizer than hasn't accomplished jack squat as POTUS. Just saying.

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Who's this in response to? I couldn't see how it's in response to me, as I've called out Obama when I feel he deserves it.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Good example.

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Seriously, let's hash this out.

Please answer the question.

In your example, was FDR speaking of a war in which Americans were fighting Muslims exclusively in the middle east?

Yes or no.

Let's see what you have to add here.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Who's this in response to? I couldn't see how it's in response to me, as I've called out Obama when I feel he deserves it.

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It's a response to his pet strawman - he never posts in any thread without it.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Seriously, let's hash this out.

Please answer the question.

In your example, was FDR speaking of a war in which Americans were fighting Muslims exclusively in the middle east?

Yes or no.

Let's see what you have to add here.

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You know, there is an actual definition of the word "crusade" and it doesn't always refer to "The Crusades". Maybe Muslims are too fucking stupid to know the difference. After all, they want to hunt down and kill anyone who makes a cartoon about a religious figure.

:lmao

Priceless -- you are adding so much to this board.

Thanks for not answering the question.

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Originally Posted by JoeChalupa

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23510.html

He’s done it while talking about abortion and the Middle East, even the economy. The references serve at once as an affirmation of his faith and a rebuke against a rumor that persists for some to this day.

As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches — something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings, even though Bush’s Christian faith was at the core of his political identity.

In his speech Thursday in Cairo, Obama told the crowd that he is a Christian and mentioned the Islamic story of Isra, in which Moses, Jesus and Mohammed joined in prayer

At the University of Notre Dame on May 17, Obama talked about the good works he’d seen done by Christian community groups in Chicago. “I found myself drawn — not just to work with the church but to be in the church,” Obama said. “It was through this service that I was brought to Christ.”

And a month before that, Obama mentioned Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount at Georgetown University to make the case for his economic policies. Obama retold the story of two men, one who built his house on a pile of sand and the other who built his on a rock: “We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand,” Obama said. “We must build our house upon a rock.”

More than four months into the Obama presidency, a picture is emerging of a chief executive who is comfortable with public displays of his religion — although he has also paid tribute to other faiths and those he called “nonbelievers” during his inaugural address.

Obama’s invocation of the Christian Messiah is more overt than Americans heard in the public rhetoric of Bush in his time in the White House — even though Bush’s victories were powered in part by evangelical voters.

“I don’t recall a single example of Bush as president ever saying, ‘Jesus’ or ‘Christ,’” said Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Christian group Family Research Council. “This is different.”

To Perkins, Obama’s overtly Christian rhetoric is a welcome development from an administration that he largely disagrees with on the issues, though Perkins sees a political motive behind it, as well.

“I applaud that. It gives people a sense of comfort,” Perkins said. “But I think it’s a veneer, a facade that covers over a lot of policies that are anti-Christian.” That includes, in his view, Obama’s stance in favor of abortion rights.


Good for him. :tu

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Silly.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

:lmao

Priceless -- you are adding so much to this board.

Thanks for not answering the question.

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Bush wasn't referring to THE Crusades either.


You're so smart.

Are you saying it was the best word to use given the circumstances?

Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Are you saying it was the best word to use given the circumstances?

Yes or no.

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Given that these people become outraged over a cartoon of Allah, the use of the word crusade was not the best choice.

Given that the word "crusade" has a pretty negative connotation in the Arab world, was it a good choice of words?

Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Given that the word "crusade" has a pretty negative connotation in the Arab world, was it a good choice of words?

Yes or no.

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Look up.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Look up.

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Do you agree that the word crusade has a pretty negative connotation in the Arab world?

Yes or no.

darrin don't like that question.

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Originally Posted by clambake

darrin don't like that question.

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I don't like being repeatedly asked the same dumb question that I've already answered.

Am I being too vague?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Given that these people become outraged over a cartoon of Allah, the use of the word crusade was not the best choice.

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It's a different question.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Do you agree that the word crusade has a pretty negative connotation in the Arab world?

Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by da_suns_fan

Silly.

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Got you to respond. :lol

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Given that the word "crusade" has a pretty negative connotation in the Arab world, was it a good choice of words?

Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Do you agree that the word crusade has a pretty negative connotation in the Arab world?

Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It's a different question.

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I already agreed with your premise that it has a negative connotation and that it was a poor choice of words.

Can you not read?

I don't think Obama believes in God. Nothing wrong with that but using it for votes is another thing. He lied about never hearing Rev Wright. He knew that guy 20 years. George Afro- Another lie Obama told. They will add up one day for you and you will understand why Obama is the biggest liar I have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I already agreed with your premise that it has a negative connotation and that it was a poor choice of words.

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Great.

What was your argument about it again?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I don't think Obama believes in God. Nothing wrong with that but using it for votes is another thing. He lied about never hearing Rev Wright. He knew that guy 20 years. George Afro- Another lie Obama told. They will add up one day for you and you will understand why Obama is the biggest liar I have ever seen.

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So that is you proof that he lied?

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I don't think Obama believes in God.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I don't think Obama believes in God. Nothing wrong with that but using it for votes is another thing. He lied about never hearing Rev Wright. He knew that guy 20 years. George Afro- Another lie Obama told. They will add up one day for you and you will understand why Obama is the biggest liar I have ever seen.

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When did he say he never heard Wright?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Great.

What was your argument about it again?

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I think the point of the OP was that people would recoil when they heard Bush use religious language, but Obama has been using religious language as much, if not more than Bush. (Bill Maher's head explodes)

I just posted an FDR speech to show that he, as well as numerous other past POTUS have used such language. It doesn't bother me -- it only bothers the far, secular left.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I think the point of the OP was that people would recoil when they heard Bush use religious language, but Obama has been using religious language as much, if not more than Bush.

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That certainly didn't seem to be Joe's point.

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I just posted an FDR speech to show that he, as well as numerous other past POTUS have used such language.

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You posted that as a direct response to my bringing up Bush's use of the word crusade because you quoted me.

Damn, you are disingenuous.

If God were real he'd hate politicians so it's all good.