Should we interrogate American citizens?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

The idea that Gitmo capital cases could plead guilty without any trial has been floated.

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is this the individual pleading guilty without coercion? or is it forced or whatever you want to call it?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Then we could execute a few of em.

How would you feel about that, VLE?

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if it's done by the accused without any coercion then i'm all for it. nobody wants them. send them to their maker.

i'm still anticipating the gotcha

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

i'm sure there's highly classified covert ops checking this out. at least i hope there is, but to be honest i don't have an answer to that.

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I see this as a much bigger concern than you. Do you not think that the power to abduct someone, accuse them of terrorism, and then not have an independent branch review the evidence might lead to an abuse of power?

Heck, I'm concerned by that power being available even with Congressional oversight, as it's been shown they won't do much about that.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

i'm still anticipating the gotcha

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No gotcha here. Just trying to have an open dialogue with people who feel differently than I do, in order to better understand where they/their arguments are coming from.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

is this the individual pleading guilty without coercion? or is it forced or whatever you want to call it?

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The pleas themselves would be willing. The evidence was *likely* coerced in a large number of cases, but the elegant thing about any plea bargain is that the *evidence* and the circumstances of detention will not be liable to discovery.

Does death extinguish the legal standing of the defendant, or can his heirs sue?

I might choose intentional martyrdom at the hands of US officials over indefinite detention by the same if the choice was mine.

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if it's done by the accused without any coercion then i'm all for it. nobody wants them. send them to their maker.

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If it comes to pass, this is what people will say.

I couldn't disagree more etc.,

we have people in the past few years that have been released from prison because they've been cleared of a crime for whatever reason(dna, new evidence, what have you) that have been locked up for years. i think 25 is the longest that i've remembered. is justice really blind? who knows but terrorism is a whole other beast to tend to. i don't think we can be too safe.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

i don't think we can be too safe.

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Even with US citizens? That's pretty hardcore.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

The pleas themselves would be willing. The evidence was *likely* coerced in a large number of cases, but the elegant thing about any plea bargain is that the *evidence* and the circumstances of detention will not be liable to discovery.

Does death extinguish the legal standing of the defendant, or can his heirs sue?

I might choose intentional martyrdom at the hands of US officials over indefinite detention by the same if the choice was mine.

If it comes to pass, this is what people will say.

I couldn't disagree more etc.,

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i guess a "world" court would have to be assembled. spread out the blood on everyone's hands if that's what it takes.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

if anyone, citizen or not, wants to bring terrorism here to the mainland then i feel they lose all rights whatsoever. rights that we as americans have and supposedly live by, but there has to be a substantial amount of evidence against them. i'm just waiting for the gotcha moment :wakeup

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The way I see it, since liberals want to coddle terrorists, we should be able to use "enhanced interrogation" against anybody who votes for a Democrat.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

I see this as a much bigger concern than you. Do you not think that the power to abduct someone, accuse them of terrorism, and then not have an independent branch review the evidence might lead to an abuse of power?

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This would be a very powerful and useful tool for rectifying some of the ideological "problem children" in the country.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

we have people in the past few years that have been released from prison because they've been cleared of a crime for whatever reason(dna, new evidence, what have you) that have been locked up for years. i think 25 is the longest that i've remembered. is justice really blind? who knows but terrorism is a whole other beast to tend to. i don't think we can be too safe.

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Liberals are more dangerous than terrorists. It's well past time to take the gloves off.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Even with US citizens? That's pretty hardcore.

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that's one of my nicknames, coincidentally. and yes.

The detainee should enter the criminal justice system as soon as practicable IMO. I still don't see the necessity or justification of having a separate law track for terrorists, or separate housing.

LE plus criminal justice worked before 9/11; it has worked since and will work again in the future. The relevant federal laws are already on the books and they are still being enforced. Why does everybody still lose their mind about this? LE will still cooperate with federal officials to git r done. Normal LE plus signals and prisons works fine.

Prevention is not a reasonable expectation IMO, if it is also a reasonable goal to have. Zeal for security can be overdone.


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Originally Posted by Winehole23

The detainee should enter the criminal justice system as soon as practicable IMO. I still don't see the necessity or justification of having a separate track for terrorists

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any questions?

Based on the current definition of torture, all contestants on "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here" are currently being tortured.


As are people watching it.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Based on the current definition of torture, all contestants on "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here" are currently being tortured.

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Please give us that current definition in full.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

any questions?

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Yes. Do you know how lame that sounds in 2009?

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

For all who support 'enhanced interrogation'...

Given a theoretical US citizen that was attempting a terrorist attack, should the CIA be allowed to 'interrogate' him to find out information?

Or should we not do such since he's a US citizen, even if the CIA believed he possessed information about a ticking time bomb?

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That is not a simple yes or no answer. The three detainees that were subject to enhanced techniques, were rather high up on the food chain, and it was certain they had important intelligence. Without knowing is the guy (gal) had important intelligence, I say no. However, if this was someone who was in charge of attacks, then yes. Like others have said though, the CIA operates outside the USA.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Yes. Do you know how lame that sounds in 2009?

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lame?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Please give us that current definition in full.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Quit calling out my strawmen!

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From "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here"

All this while snakes, spiders, roaches, rats ran around by their heads.


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Yeah lame. On you VLE, not 9/11.

9/11 is not a CYA or get out of jail free card. It certainly doesn't give us the *right* to detain US citizens indefinitely without charges as formerly believed, much less to torture and execute them whimsically, as you seem to have suggested.

What did you mean by*you can't be too careful...*?

Of course we should question Americans citizens. Why stop doing this? That's how we get information from a suspect, witness or victim after a crime has been committed. If anything we need to add some special interrogation methods. Casey Anthony would be a good choice to start off with. Of course video tape it. She has been on TV every day for like a year. No telling how much money she is costing that state already and the trial has not even started. We all know she killed her kid. We want to know why and we want to save some money. Enhanced interrogate her ass. Let the American people see what these methods are all about and the results. Then we need to kill her so we can save even more money. It's the smart way to go especially durning these economic times.

I don't see why not.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

From "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here"

All this while snakes, spiders, roaches, rats ran around by their heads.


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Are you really that retarded? Do we have to spell out the distinctions regarding consent for you?

Have a reality show, like Cops, so that people will know what to expect when it happens to them.

Clever.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Yeah lame. On you VLE, not 9/11.

9/11 is not a CYA or get out of jail free card. It certainly doesn't give us the *right* to detain US citizens indefinitely without charges as formerly believed, much less to execute them whimsically, as you seem to have suggested.

What did you mean by*you can't be too careful...*?

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i believe i said if they plead guilty without coercion. i think i stated that twice and very clearly. i'm not saying imprison anyone that smells like a camel and has a beard. come on now.