America's Debt Crisis

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Uhm... that chart shows the rise of unemployment occuring AFTER 2000. Assuming the large tick marks are 5 year intervals, and the last largest tick mark was 1997, then you have three more tick marks before the red line. 98, 99, 00.

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The graph says in fairly big type that it started well before the 2000 elections. There's even an arrow to point that fact out.

Why you would pay attention to something so minute as details is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

One step at a time. Fine for those who can afford it. Everybody else can just eat **** and die, I guess. It takes whatever it takes.

*Libertarianism* is hardcore. I wonder if America is tough enough for it.

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I hate to sound like the grinch who stole entitlement christmas, but basically yes, you're right. There are going to be a bunch of people who have to be told "sorry, but you're on your own". Unfortunately a lot of those people are going to be seniors who spent their entire lives believing that the government would take care of them. At least when we tell the 18-65 year olds that they're on their own they have the opportunity to do something about it.

They all break promises.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Unfortunately a lot of those people are going to be seniors who spent their entire lives believing that the government would take care of them. At least when we tell the 18-65 year olds that they're on their own they have the opportunity to do something about it.

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I can agree with you on the necessity of this happening. But I don't see it happening. Ever.

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Originally Posted by jman3000

The graph says in fairly big type that it started well before the 2000 elections. There's even an arrow to point that fact out.

Why you would pay attention to something so minute as details is beyond me.

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Kinda ruins the credibility of the author, IMHO. :)

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

so you crap on people 'cause there's "no details" then when a draft is produced, with obama's input, you crap on him. really?

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Whenever Gervin has been presented with facts criticizing Obama, he goes into bitch/attack the messenger mode. It's the Obamahugger way.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

That's my point. No one knows for sure what the details are so to attack something that doesn't exist is .. you tell me

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The details have been laid out. What hasn't been been laid out is how to pay for it, because the Obama Administration doesn't have a fucking clue.