Looks like Rafsanjani has turned against his allies. He's supporting the Ayatollah's speech from Friday.
That will probably do it unless something unforeseen takes place.
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Looks like Rafsanjani has turned against his allies. He's supporting the Ayatollah's speech from Friday.
That will probably do it unless something unforeseen takes place.
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Originally Posted by jman3000
Covering his ass, maybe?
Link, jman?
Well, yeah. If you were confronted with questions that challenged your way of thinking, wouldn't you try to deflect them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
An intellectually honest person would embrace them, but that's not exactly what you're dealing with. Ideology and thought processes are a tough nut to crack.
ehh... I should retract that statement...
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=197201
The source is the Tehran Times... and the story is followed by a bunch of propaganda proclaiming that it's your religious duty to follow the Ayatollah's word, that the military is fully behind the Ayatollah.
My bad.
No. I try to answer them. If I can't, I'll usually admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
The Rafsanjani is the equivalent to the chairman of the Council of Experts. That's why that proclamation would lead me to believe he's turned.
To be honest it's probably just propaganda.
That's what the second sentence in that post was for. The first sentence was a rhetorical device.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
For those following the social networking on this, a list of fake tweets can be found here.
Rafsanjani is pretty much the richest guy in Iran. He's going to pick the side which he thinks will allow him to continue being that guy. It wouldn't surprise me if he did turn. Especially if he saw internal factors working against Mousavi. So what Darrins said is pretty much true of him. He's going to look after his own rich ass over anybody else.
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Originally Posted by jman3000
Then maybe I should have said covering his assets.
*rimshot*
Oddly, this comes from Iran's state media organ. Cum grano salis.
Larijani criticizes Guardian Council, IRIB
Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:11:50 GMT
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Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani
Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani suggests that some of the members in the Guardian Council have sided with a certain candidate in the June 12 presidential election.
Speaking live on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Saturday, the speaker said that "a majority of people are of the opinion that the actual election results are different than what was officially announced."
"The opinion of this majority should be respected and a line should be drawn between them and rioters and miscreants," he was quoted as saying by Khabaronline -- a website affiliated with him.
He was referring to rallies that have been held on a daily basis in Iran, since the announcement of the presidential election results last Friday, in which incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with almost two thirds of the vote.
The president's main rival Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who according to the Interior Ministry has lost to Ahmadinejad even in the East-Azerbaijan province where he hails from, cried foul and described the election as a 'charade' -- a charge the president and his interior minister have denied.
Mousavi -- Iran's last prime minister -- has as a result called on the Guardian Council, the body that supervises the electoral process, to nullify Friday's vote and hold the election anew.
Larijani, however, believes that the Iranian people have lost their trust in the country's legal system. "Although the Guardian Council is made up of religious individuals I wish certain members would not side with a certain presidential candidate."
"The Guardian Council should use every possible means to build trust and convince the protesters that their complaints will be thoroughly looked into," the parliament speaker added.
Larijani who, was formerly in charge of IRIB, criticized the organization, saying that "the IRIB should not act in a way that provokes people."
The authorities should provide an atmosphere in which people feel free to express their opinion, he concluded.
They are trying to quell the anger by giving out bread crumbs of good news. Today has been largely quiet and the regime might be on to something in terms of letting people say that a recount should take place. No way in Hell would they allow him to say that if they didn't think it would help them.
It's a possibility things are going to die down while discussion for a new election/recount occurs. Nothing will come of it though and it will only allow Mousavi supporters to reorganize. The flip side to that is that the Iranian government will be able to do the same. It's pretty much a replay of last week when they said they'd count 10% of the vote, but that was an insult to the people's intelligence and didn't work at all. Having other other high level figures outside of Mousavi's camp ask for things like this will convince the people on the fence to stay in their houses.
I think I have officially changed my opinion on how Obama has handled this situation. I think I misinterpreted caution as timidity.
For now, I think he has said all that he can say. There's really not much else he can do at this point, IMO, except wait and see how this situation unfolds. The Iranian regime knows that the world is watching. Everything they do to put down reformers only discredits them further.
Flame away.
Rafsanjani's daughter was arrested apparently. His decision on the Council of Experts could have just been extortion.
This post contains more substance than everything you have ever posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Kudos.
My friend and old landlord is from Iran, and this is her translation of the Neda video from yesterday. As if you needed anymore for this shit to break your heart.
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you can hear a brief cry from Neda. Her father says " Neda don't be afraid. Neda! Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Neda, don't be afraid. Neda, stay with me. Neda, stay with me. Neda, stay. Stay! Neda, Stay with me. The killed my child. They killed my child. My child! My Child! My chid"
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Do not confuse cable news with universities. This is pretty much utter bullshit.
Video form Tehran today.
Is it just me or is that gathering bigger or as big as anything we saw yesterday.....
Bigger than anything we got video from yesterday. CNN just ran it a bit ago. They also mentioned the Daily Dish (where I got it from). Andrew Sullivan is an awesome blogger to begin with, but his blog this week has been exceptional.
That's confirmed for today? Everything I've read has pointed to it being quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Why are they letting such a large procession march unhindered? Yesterday there would have been tear gas everywhere.
I was gonna say it was a pro-Ahmadinajaed rally until I heard the "Mousavi, Mousavi, get my vote back for me" chant.
BTW, the more videos I see that are from the past two days, the more I think LJ is wrong. The numbers aren't as big as they were earlier this week, but given the level of the crackdown we saw yesterday I'm still very impressed. It takes a lot of balls to step out onto the street when you've seen people shot all day.
Sullivan claims the video as legit from today, but I don't think anyone is 100% sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000