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Let's get a round of applause for the internet age and our beloved geeks worldwide who will forever find ways around Government blockades :toast:toast:toast:toast
The seeds have been there for over 100 years -- there's just a lot of shit that kept them from growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
12.53 pm. The state media are putting words into Obama's mouth:
This morning a friend of NIAC who gets Iranian Satellite TV here said that state-run media showed President Obama speaking about Iran this morning. However, instead of translating what he actually said, the translator reportedly quoted Obama as saying he “supports the protesters against the government and they should keep protesting." Assuming this report is correct, it shows the Iranian government is eager to portray Obama as a partisan supporting the demonstrators.
So the Khamenei regime wants the same posture from the Obama as Krauthammer and Wolfowitz. They just don't know what they're talking about, do they?
Neocons and hardline jews are becoming the most truly anti american faction in american politics in my life time. To think they successfully portrayed liberal anti war pussies as more anti american, while they themselves actively cheer on policies that would fuck us both short and long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Obama is just taking a page out of Ron Paul's playbook. Nothing to see here.
NeoCons fuck up America in foreign policyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Liberals fuck up America domestically.
Choose your poison.
Paul was spot on in his reasoning to vote against the resolution.
I think it's to the point now where the only reason conservatives are still going to bitch and moan about Obama on this subject is so that when he actually does say something they can take all the credit and say "about time". When in reality if they had gotten their way and he had interfered earlier, things would have been much, much worse.
You guys need to quit hogging the youth vote in the primaries imho.Quote:
The lone lawmaker to vote against the symbolic measure supporting Iranian dissidents, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), defended that vote Friday, saying the U.S. is only selectively expressing its outrage at voter suppression in other countries.
"I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country," Paul said in a statement on his website.
"Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership?" the libertarian Republican asked. "It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made."
Paul said he supported President Obama's more cautious approach to the situation in Iran, an approach many of his Republican colleagues in Congress have criticized as too lax.
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
He's a living legend.
Besides the internet, CNN probably has the best coverage of this right now. They're showing pretty much all the video that's coming out today.
MSNBC is showing some prison shit and Fox is just having Republican congressmen/Krauthammer on to complain about Obama's handling of the situation.
Blunt and overgeneralized, though somewhat on the correct path.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithInOne
...and he's allegedly the crazy one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It looks like there's anti-protester protesters amongst the protesters... saw some civilians throwing rocks at a group... don't know which side was which though.
I watched this morning but they ended up just showing shit I had seen an hour earlier on the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman3000
Now they're showing videos that are getting on the web like a minute or two afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Hence the "besides the internet". Some people here don't know what sites to go to and CNN is giving a nice summation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Andrew Sullivan just posted what is the most disturbing footage I've seen of this event yet. In fact its some of the most disturbing footage I've ever seen. A young woman is brutally murdered.
I can't imagine taking the life of someone simply because they desire freedom.
It looks like she was shot in upper chest. Those people are trying to stop the bleeding... but the blood has nowhere to go so it basically fills her throat and comes out her mouth/nose.
At first I thought she was being choked... but they're not putting pressure on her neck at all.
Did you see the link to the report about China telling its media to downplay the riots?
It doesn't want an uprising of its own. This is getting incredibly interesting.
That video made me incredibly sad. I don't even know what to say man.
What's causing the change now?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Don't get me wrong, I never supported the establish a democracy in the heart of the middle east and it will spread philosophy from Bush/Cheney but current events make me go hmmmmm.
I'm sure it's just coincidence like when Reagan rejected detente and took on the Soviet Union and then out of pure coincidence the Soviet Union collapsed.
Don't watch the second one then... it shows a close up of her face. I had to look away.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Yeah, the bankruptcy of the Soviet system and the free market's being established there had nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
Americans take way too much credit for the positive events in foreign lands and none of the blame for the bad.
The change here is being caused by the shitty state of Iran in general and the incredulous elections results given those conditions.
No fucking shit. Thats all I could think about when he made that first post. They can't get over their Amerocentric thinking. Its not all about America, its really not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Jman, I watched it. It was far more disturbing than the first which was already bad. Just horrible and beyond my contemplation. I hope the Iranians are able to succeed peacefully with as little bloodshed as possible but I know these things never happen without it.