Artest to the Lakers..

4 more years :lmao

:lol Lakers

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Originally Posted by EricB

Both ariza and the lakers f'ed up. Ariza was a great fit from LA.

From a lakers fan standpoint you have to be just punched in the gut when you think what ariza's quickness could be doin against the likes of a rajon rondo.

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...not to mention his length too.

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Originally Posted by EricB

Both ariza and the lakers f'ed up. Ariza was a great fit from LA.

From a lakers fan standpoint you have to be just punched in the gut when you think what ariza's quickness could be doin against the likes of a rajon rondo.

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Bingo!

You've got many stating that Ariza's stats just stunk up the joint in H-town but the fact of the matter was that Trevor was a better fit in L.A. with better shots facilitated for him. Not saying that Trev was an ivy league guy but he clearly had a grasp of the triangle. Ron-Ron? Not to sure.

Game 6 and 7 will either pay dividends for that deal done almost 1 year ago or turn out to be a lemon.

We shall see.

I think in this series Ariza would be better fit, however, against sevral other teams such as the spurs Artest gives matchup problems because of his size. Overall, for this year at least I give the nod to Lakers for making Artest choice even if they lose...

But next year or year after I'm pretty sure there going to look back and say WTF were we thinking

:bking

Lakers are on their way to another title.

Artest's playoff PER is a ridiculously low 10.6 and his TS% is an absolutely disgusting 47.5%..his defense is pretty good, although overrated, but he has really had very little impact for them in the playoffs IMO..

They would have won if you replaced him with a lot of guys, especially Ariza..

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Originally Posted by EricB

Both ariza and the lakers f'ed up. Ariza was a great fit from LA.

From a lakers fan standpoint you have to be just punched in the gut when you think what ariza's quickness could be doin against the likes of a rajon rondo.

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Yep. Of course if they win game 7 they can still call it a win deal.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'm not worried at all..

Ron Artest is the 2nd most overrated defensive player in the NBA, only behind Kobe..watching either of those guys guard perimeter players is going to be funny as fuck..

I don't see Artest working as a #3 or more option..he has to be in the top 2, that's just his style..it also takes shots away from Bynum, and Bynum doesn't play defense or rebound unless he's getting shots..LA already has their stars, they need role players like Ariza, and Artest can't be a role player..

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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings

:lmao

Yeah going to be funny as fuck watching the Lakers hold up that back to back :lobt:

While you're laughing at two of the best perimeter defenders of our generation the entire world be laughing at TP, Manu, RJ backcourt trying to guard anything :lol :lol :lol

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:bking :bking :bking

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Originally Posted by benefactor

The first time that James Gist has Artest in front of him on the perimeter and he blows by him and throws it down people will understand why Artest to the Lakers was a good thing.

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:lmao Spurstalk veterans....

I saw this thread bumped by the OP after game 5. I dont see him bumping it now. Artest was a huge factor for the Lakers in game 6 and 7.(He had 15 in game 6 and 20 tonight in game 7) And now he's got a ring. Did Ariza get a ring this year? No. So I think the Lakers made the right choice. And the scary thing is...they have Gasol, Bryant, Odom, Artest, and Bynum all under contract for next year and beyond. My point is if you are gonna bump your own thread and pound your chest you were right and then it comes out differently. Then its time to man up and admit you were wrong.

Artest was 7-18 from the field and 2-7 from 3s, with 4 turnovers :lol..

He had a horrible playoffs, having one of the worst PER for a starter and some of the worst efficiency for a starter in NBA playoff history..as a starter for an NBA champion, he had some of the worst offense you'll ever see, which is backed up by the numbers..

I wasn't wrong about anything, I picked the Lakers to win the title..Ariza didn't get a ring this year, but he got one last year(LOL), and he was better than Artest by a massive margin..Artest is still on the books for 4 years and is clearly on the decline..hopefully somebody in the West makes a move..

The Lakers didn't win because of Artest, they won because of their 53 rebounds and 37 free throw attempts..

Youre the type of guy who doesnt concede when they are wrong. Not a problem. I wont lose sleep over it. lol

I've conceded plenty of times..I thought the Jefferson trade would be good, and I admitted I was clearly wrong..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Artest was 7-18 from the field and 2-7 from 3s, with 4 turnovers :lol..

He had a horrible playoffs, having one of the worst PER for a starter and some of the worst efficiency for a starter in NBA playoff history..as a starter for an NBA champion, he had some of the worst offense you'll ever see, which is backed up by the numbers..

I wasn't wrong about anything, I picked the Lakers to win the title..Ariza didn't get a ring this year, but he got one last year(LOL), and he was better than Artest by a massive margin..Artest is still on the books for 4 years and is clearly on the decline..hopefully somebody in the West makes a move..

The Lakers didn't win because of Artest, they won because of their 53 rebounds and 37 free throw attempts..

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Artest was the Laker MVP in game 7. You're original post is even more laughable now more than ever. Yes, if you replaced him with Ariza they probably would have won as well, but in spite of his "crappy" play they won regardless. Just proved your ineptitude yet again.

Artest comes up big for Lakers in Game 7 win

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156710

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Originally Posted by Medvedenko

Artest was the Laker MVP in game 7. You're original post is even more laughable now more than ever. Yes, if you replaced him with Ariza they probably would have won as well, but in spite of his "crappy" play they won regardless. Just proved your ineptitude yet again.

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Are you saying Artest wasn't "crappy" throughout the playoffs?..

My posts about Artest are in regards to him being a downgrade from Ariza, which he clearly was IMO(which is backed up by the numbers)..again, I picked the Lakers to win the title, they were going to win regardless..it doesn't change the fact that Artest was mediocre throughout, and that he's on the books for 4 more years..

LOL @ ineptitude..coming from the guy that says Kobe is better than Jordan, and that Kobe had an MVP performance in game 7..

I'm with ya. jefferson was a horrible trade. I just think Artest brought enough toughness to the Lakers to get past Boston. His offense may have not be spectacular but he did a decent job on Pierce. Just like game 1...he held Pierce to 11 points going into the 4th and then Pierce got another 13 when the game was already over. Then you hear people say....Artest couldnt contain Pierce because he scored 24 on Artest. But that is way off. Artest did his job and then let off when the game was decided and Pierce got his cheap baskets. Hell, Pierce only scored in the 20's twice in the 7 games in this Finals. I would say Artest did his job. It'd be like holding Kobe to only two 20 point games in 7 games in the Finals. Ariza couldnt do that to Pierce.

I'll admit I was wrong about Artest's D, I admitted that halfway through the season though..he improved a lot from last year..he still had a big part in LA's offensive decline this year though..his inability to space the floor hurt them a lot, so did his tendency to get in the way of the offense..luckily for the Lakers, they had very little competition this year..

I disagree about Ariza not being able to do it to Pierce..Ariza did a great job on Carmelo last year, a better player than Pierce, with a similar body build..

I already said that Artest was a good move due to the price, I said it earlier in the thread, soon after I made this thread..there was never any doubt about that, the MLE was definitely a bargain at the time, which I already said..

My point was that he was going to be a downgrade from Ariza, which he clearly was, and it will only get worse now that he's clearly declining..

The only thing I was wrong about was his defense..he was an average defender last year..he was very good this season after a slow start, due to the weight loss, after he admitted he was struggling on D..his defense was helped by this, and it was helped by the amazing amount of handchecking he's allowed getting away with(probably the most in the NBA, as many local announcers said while playing LA this year)..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Artest was 7-18 from the field and 2-7 from 3s, with 4 turnovers :lol..

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You conveniently left out his 5 steals and 5 rebounds.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'll admit I was wrong about Artest's D, I admitted that halfway through the season though..he improved a lot from last year..he still had a big part in LA's offensive decline this year though..his inability to space the floor hurt them a lot, so did his tendency to get in the way of the offense..luckily for the Lakers, they had very little competition this year..

I disagree about Ariza not being able to do it to Pierce..Ariza did a great job on Carmelo last year, a better player than Pierce, with a similar body build..

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Lakers knew what they were getting. They knew they had to take the good with the bad. They knew they needed a guy who would be willing to play rough and they were willing to give up some offense for it. they figured they had enough scorers with Bryant, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum to carry them. I think getting a guy like Artest for the MLE is a steal and thats what they paid. Let us get a guy like that instead of an overpaid primadonna like Jefferson and I'll jump through the roof. We need the next Bowen and a guy like Artest would have done us nicely. Damn it.

I don't disagree, but there are a number of guys you could have replaced Artest with, and they still win the title..Artest had a good game 7 for the expectations, it was surprising to everybody, I'm just saying, I don't think it's crow-worthy unless you're ignoring the entire year..he was their 2nd best individual player in game 7 IMO, but he's also cost them many games as well..

Either way, it doesn't really matter..LA is the champion, sadly..how great it is to be a fan of the most fortunate franchise in the NBA..

Artest sucked all fucking year, and stepped up BIG in Game 7...who knew? :lol