Trumped Again By The Lakers

Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

well you heard it first here kids, Spurs 2010 Champions.

So the Spurs go from Michael Finley to Richard Jefferson. The Lakers go from Trevor Ariza to Ron Artest. And the Lakers trump the Spurs? They're not even garuanteed of getting better, while the Spurs changed the entire dynamics of their team.

To trump the Spurs they'll need to swap Fisher for Devin Harris.

Ron is not the leagues best perimeter defender. If the Spurs get Sheed, Dcdyess or any legit big they have a sick lineup when healthy.

Even thought I think Artest is an upgrade over Trevor, he doesn't make the Lakers that much better as a team. Phil seems to like Ron a lot so you never know he may be the next Dennis Rodman with Odom Being Pippen and Kobe MJ the lakers will be hard to stop... part of me wants to believe that the lakers are just panicking seeing our spurs getting better and are making mistakes and Ron is one of them lol....

also lol at the leagues best perimeter defender having to rely on Shane Battier to guard Kobe because he got torched every time he tried to guard him.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

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The spurs off season positioning doesn't change much IMO. The way I look at it is with the addition of RJ and the possible addition of Sheed or dyess the spurs become A very deadly tool with A player at every position that can hurt you. VERY BAD. Ron cant defend every position. If we get sheed I still see us abusing them in the paint. The dual of duncan and sheed will prove to much for the not so tough frontline of the FAkers. Double Duncan and watch sheed gun you down or draw the big man out deep and watch duncan murder in A one on one situation. A thing of beauty. Add in the assasins of RJ manu and the killer himself parker and we have A recipe to give the oppositionheartaches night in and out. Mcdyess has about the same pontential to hurt you also. But the key is getting one of them. After that its on.:flag:

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

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Don't be a fucking pussy man.

So the Lakers go Ron, so what? The Spurs if healthy could have one of our best teams ever and I think we'll at least be able to compete against the Lakers unlike the last two seasons. What more do you want?

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

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My initial reaction was similar... but without resigning Odom or Ariza, I'm not sure how much better this makes the Lakers. If they can bring back one of those two guys, I might be a little concerned... until then, I don't see this as that much of a coup.

Its sort of A wash in my opinion. Theyre maybe A tad better. But there is certain little things ariza did that ron cant do.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

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yeah .401 FG% and that he wasnt even the best defender on his own team

WOW...I'm scared!

I would wait to say the Spurs' offseason was trumped by the Lakers getting Ron Artest.

It is easy to play paper GM and project which team will be the strongest.

We already have 21_Blessings predicting 72 wins for the Lakers. Again.....slow down there!!

The NBA Season is a long haul! And as we Spurs fans saw.....injuries will play a key factor on who wins it all!!

The Lakers outside of Bynum and Odom (who still played) were injury-free last season. The Celts, Jazz, Rockets, and Spurs were all affected by major injuries last season.

And when you try to defend your championship....funky things will happen!!

So before some Spurs fans get upset thinking the Lakers stole the offseason from the Spurs....there is a season to be played and it will probably be the most competitive amongst the heavyweight teams in several seasons.

I can't wait for November!!!

Artest to the Lakers makes the Jefferson deal look absolutely puny by comparison. Lakers smash us (and the rest of the league) to the curb - again.

Artest is a gamble, but of course so was signing Ariza (8pts, 4 rebounds per game...BFD).
Artest can be the Lakers nasty go-to defender, freeing up Kobe even more to punish the opponents on the offensive end.

You gotta respect the Lakers for upgrading their team after a winning a championship. Too bad we lacked the wisdom, vision and balls to do that in the '07 postseason.

This was a viscious, ruthless move by the Lakers, the type they do so well. Nothing's a given in the NBA, this move might not work, but if it does, I think it's going to be a Rodman to the Bulls type dealio. Maybe even bigger.

And I don't think the Lakers would make this move unless they knew Odom's in the bag.

Spursfans, do really think our offseason moves (yaaay, Finley's coming back) will amount to much against a lineup of Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Odum and Bynum? That's one of scariest lineups the NBA's seen in years.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dumbass

Well, I was happy.

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Started right off with a complete lie. I stopped reading at that point.

Ron Artest and RJ are still background noise to the fact that the real question still lies with Lamar Odom and Mystery Spurs Big Man.

If the Lakers re-sign Odom (as they most likely will) the Spurs have to get their decent Big (ie Sheed, Gortat). Otherwise, the Spurs still can't contend with the Laker Bigs.

STill gotta wait and see how it shakes out.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

Ron Artest and RJ are still background noise to the fact that the real question still lies with Lamar Odom and Mystery Spurs Big Man.

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So that's only one mystery for the Lakers.

Spurs have several, including uncertainty about the health of Duncan and Manu going forward.
Everything else, including the Jefferson signing and Sheed possibilites are still background noise.

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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown

Artest to the Lakers makes the Jefferson deal look absolutely puny by comparison. Lakers smash us (and the rest of the league) to the curb - again.

Artest is a gamble, but of course so was signing Ariza (8pts, 4 rebounds per game...BFD).
Artest can be the Lakers nasty go-to defender, freeing up Kobe even more to punish the opponents on the offensive end.

You gotta respect the Lakers for upgrading their team after a winning a championship. Too bad we lacked the wisdom, vision and balls to do that in the '07 postseason.

This was a viscious, ruthless move by the Lakers, the type they do so well. Nothing's a given in the NBA, this move might not work, but if it does, I think it's going to be a Rodman to the Bulls type dealio. Maybe even bigger.

And I don't think the Lakers would make this move unless they knew Odom's in the bag.

Spursfans, do really think our offseason moves (yaaay, Finley's coming back) will amount to much against a lineup of Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Odum and Bynum? That's one of scariest lineups the NBA's seen in years.

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Again....let's have some context!!!

We Spurs fans were asking the FO to get another dynamic scorer in the SF spot this offseason.

What they do.....they got RJ!! that surprised most Spurs fans and other NBA fans.

Do you think other teams were going to sit idly by and let the Spurs have the pub in the offseason? Let's be real!!

I give the Lakers kudos for getting Artest.

But...again we have must context!!

The NBA season is a long haul and injuries will be a major factor again this season.

Also, the Spurs had the second best record most of last season and still ended up with 54 wins. If everyone's healthy and the FO get that big......the Spurs will be right there.

The championship is never won in late June or early July!!!

Don't forget context, people!!!

This is a big risk for LA. We're talking about Ron Artest, here. The dude is not stable. Throw him into that drama-filled environment with the LA media fishbowl, and anything can happen. You up the pressure on Artest and bad things have a tendency to happen.

Not to mention the fact that he isn't the defender he used to be and can be a huge chucker on a team where Kobe gets all the shots. And Kobe is a shitty teammate and domineering personality... this has all the potential of a gigantic trainwreck. Ariza is 6 years younger, doesn't demand the ball, and only getting better.

This is highly volatile. I don't understand why the Lakers take this gamble. It seems highly unnecessary when the Spurs can't keep Duncan and Ginobili healthy for the playoffs and they don't have any other real competition in the West.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

The spurs off season positioning doesn't change much IMO. The way I look at it is with the addition of RJ and the possible addition of Sheed or dyess the spurs become A very deadly tool with A player at every position that can hurt you. VERY BAD. Ron cant defend every position. If we get sheed I still see us abusing them in the paint. The dual of duncan and sheed will prove to much for the not so tough frontline of the FAkers. Double Duncan and watch sheed gun you down or draw the big man out deep and watch duncan murder in A one on one situation. A thing of beauty. Add in the assasins of RJ manu and the killer himself parker and we have A recipe to give the oppositionheartaches night in and out. Mcdyess has about the same pontential to hurt you also. But the key is getting one of them. After that its on.:flag:

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so a 34 year old duncan and a 35 year old sheed is going to suddenly abuse the lakers frontline? riight....The Lakers have a GREAT frontcourt and is a big reason why the Lakers won the championship....a 40% jump shooter in sheed isn't going to help that tmuch.

Richard Jefferson would become a non factor going up against Artest.

If you want to think the spurs can beat the Lakers thats fine but to say duncan/sheed is going to murder the lakers inside is a joke...that simply won't happen.

sheed just sits on the three-point line these days...he is a slightly better verison of matt bonner at this stage of his career.

Spurs still lost to the mavs in 5 games in the playoffs, adding jefferson and maybe sheed isn't suddenly going to make them the best in the NBA. Who knows if manu can stay healthly...might be an idea moving him while you still can

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Originally Posted by The_Game

so a 34 year old duncan and a 35 year old sheed is going to suddenly abuse the lakers frontline? riight....The Lakers have a GREAT frontcourt and is a big reason why the Lakers won the championship....a 40% jump shooter in sheed isn't going to help that tmuch.

Richard Jefferson would become a non factor going up against Artest.

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Gasol usually ended up with A slower defender or smaller defender with the orlando system like lewis. He is soft and will be at the mercy of sheed or duncan. Bynum though good needs A little more to his game. A 50 year old sheed and duncan abuses your frontline. You know this is true.

Well.....Artest is a huge upgrade talent wise that is obvious. Like Phil Jackson or not he has a way with these types of egos and can make it work. I would love to see Artest and Kobe go at it in practice it should be a war. This move is not something that makes it a lock for the Lakers this can be very complicated if Artest and Kobe cannot find common ground.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

Gasol usually ended up with A slower defender or smaller defender with the orlando system like lewis. He is soft and will be at the mercy of sheed or duncan. Bynum though good needs A little more to his game. A 50 year old sheed and duncan abuses your frontline. You know this is true.

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:lol get real

Gasol is a very good player and with how much duncan is on the decline I don't think the gap is very big right now. Keep dreaming if you think sheed is going to solve your problems inside...guy shot 40% this year and just camps out on the three-point line....Lakers are far quicker, bigger and more talented inside...spurs don't have a hope of stopping them.

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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown

Artest to the Lakers makes the Jefferson deal look absolutely puny by comparison. Lakers smash us (and the rest of the league) to the curb - again.

Artest is a gamble, but of course so was signing Ariza (8pts, 4 rebounds per game...BFD).
Artest can be the Lakers nasty go-to defender, freeing up Kobe even more to punish the opponents on the offensive end.

You gotta respect the Lakers for upgrading their team after a winning a championship. Too bad we lacked the wisdom, vision and balls to do that in the '07 postseason.

This was a viscious, ruthless move by the Lakers, the type they do so well. Nothing's a given in the NBA, this move might not work, but if it does, I think it's going to be a Rodman to the Bulls type dealio. Maybe even bigger.

And I don't think the Lakers would make this move unless they knew Odom's in the bag.

Spursfans, do really think our offseason moves (yaaay, Finley's coming back) will amount to much against a lineup of Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Odum and Bynum? That's one of scariest lineups the NBA's seen in years.

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If the Spurs get Wallace:

Duncan
Wallace
Jefferson
Ginobili
Parker

Bests even the formidable Lakers lineup with 5 all stars starting and bring it on!

Quitter thread...

Pessimistic much? The mood swings from Spurs fans on this forum are crazy...Are y'all PMSing or sumthing? The lakers sign one free agent and your ready to hand them the title months before the season starts...Y'all crazy!!

Spurs aren't getting Wallace Rump, he's going to be Celtic. You know better.

Even then, Rasheed is a relic at this point in his career. He can't guard Bynum, Gasol in the post or stay with Odom on the perimeter.

lol Blair

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Originally Posted by The_Game

:lol get real

Gasol is a very good player and with how much duncan is on the decline I don't think the gap is very big right now. Keep dreaming if you think sheed is going to solve your problems inside...guy shot 40% this year and just camps out on the three-point line....Lakers are far quicker, bigger and more talented inside...spurs don't have a hope of stopping them.

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Orlando had A chance but didnt have the coaching and experience to do it. While I must say you are the champs and I respect that if that had been A more experienced team you would have been packing. You better hope to the BBall gods that the ron artest thing works and we dont sign sheed or dice because you will by no means be A better team than the spurs. You are still A soft team and your bench is trash.But ill hold off for now because you are the champs. But once again we are coming.TBOOK IT. SPUUUURRRRSSS BBBABBBY.:ihit

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Originally Posted by PBEEZY

Pessimistic much? The mood swings from Spurs fans on this forum are crazy...Are y'all PMSing or sumthing? The lakers sign one free agent and your ready to hand them the title months before the season starts...Y'all crazy!!

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Exactly. ESPN is drinking the kool aid to. Can't wait to hand there a%$^s to them. Spurs all the way.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

Orlando had A chance but didnt have the coaching and experience to do it. While I must say you are the champs and I respect that if that had been A more experienced team you would have been packing. You better hope to the BBall gods that the ron artest thing works and we dont sign sheed or dice because you will by no means be A better team than the spurs. You are still A soft team and your bench is trash.But ill hold off for now because you are the champs. But once again we are coming.TBOOK IT. SPUUUURRRRSSS BBBABBBY.:ihit

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Lakers are soft but Spurs aren't? :lol ok

You adding Sheed or Dice does not make you better than L.A..it makes you closer but adding a washed up sheed who can barely shoot 40% from the floor isn't going to help you against Gasol, Odom, Bynum.

It's amazing how little you forget that Dallas destroyed your team in the playoffs...yes manu was out but Duncan and Parker were there...as were most of your other current players yet adding Jefferson and a past it sheed is going to suddenly make that huge step to beating the Lakers or any of the other top teams?

I do agree though that the spurs are back as being a top contender and it will be fun to see these two match-up.

The only thing that can save the Spurs would be a reanimated 29 year old David Robinson. And The Admiral is not walking through that door.

I will gladly take Blair and Jefferson over Ron Artest. I don't see LA beating a healthy Spurs without signing Odom. The Lakers now have no choice but to resign Odom because they can't use a MLE. Odom is the only player the spurs cant matchup with when on his game.
They have no expiring contracts worth trading for. The Spurs still need a center. However, that player does not need to be a all star and we have both a MLE and a exriring contracts.

Slomo:
Is there anychance we can get a cliffjumper emoticon? :cliffjumper

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Originally Posted by dc_spursfan

I will gladly take Blair and Jefferson over Ron Artest. I don't see LA beating a healthy Spurs without signing Odom. The Lakers now have no choice but to resign Odom because they can't use a MLE. Odom is the only player the spurs cant matchup with when on his game.
They have no expiring contracts worth trading for. The Spurs still need a center. However, that player does not need to be a all star and we have both a MLE and a exriring contracts.

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That's correct.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

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He probably will.

He behaved for one season and thats supposed to mean he's going to behave for the rest of his life?

If Phil Jackson doesnt stick around that franchise is in trouble.

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Originally Posted by VivaPopovich

He probably will.

He behaved for one season and thats supposed to mean he's going to behave for the rest of his life?

If Phil Jackson doesnt stick around that franchise is in trouble.

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Let the meltdown begin.:lol

I doubt Artest will be trouble this year. But people need to remember he was playing for a new contract last season. Artest is crazy but not stupid.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

The spurs off season positioning doesn't change much IMO. The way I look at it is with the addition of RJ and the possible addition of Sheed or dyess the spurs become A very deadly tool with A player at every position that can hurt you. VERY BAD. Ron cant defend every position. If we get sheed I still see us abusing them in the paint. The dual of duncan and sheed will prove to much for the not so tough frontline of the FAkers. Double Duncan and watch sheed gun you down or draw the big man out deep and watch duncan murder in A one on one situation. A thing of beauty. Add in the assasins of RJ manu and the killer himself parker and we have A recipe to give the oppositionheartaches night in and out. Mcdyess has about the same pontential to hurt you also. But the key is getting one of them. After that its on.:flag:

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There is a good chance that the Spurs will not get Wallace or McDyess. They may get there 4'th or 5'th option.

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Originally Posted by rascal

There is a good chance that the Spurs will not get Wallace or McDyess. They may get there 4'th or 5'th option.

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Well let's just hope that's not the case. Because like you I want it all.

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Artest hasn't done shit since he was on of the best on both ends the season before he and Saint Stephen destroyed Indiana.

Like Shaq, his rep has far outlived his effectiveness.

Sure sounds like a bunch of nervous Spurs fans running around here. Hey...If I was in your shoes, I'd be nervous to. The Lakers would sweep the Spurs with the way the line ups are now. If the Spurs get a big man like Sheed or McDyess, than the Lakers win in 5. You Spurs fans cant be serious when thinking those relics are gonna put you over the top and past the Lakers.

Lakers defense, imo, improves with this signing. Offense would be the same if not better - Kobe will still have his shots. I think its Pau who will get less touches, which I think either he welcomes or is fine with him, being the nice guy that he is As we have seen Bynum's problems last playoffs, this gives the Lakers another scoring option.

QUOTE=dc_spursfan;3518290]I will gladly take Blair and Jefferson over Ron Artest. I don't see LA beating a healthy Spurs without signing Odom. The Lakers now have no choice but to resign Odom because they can't use a MLE. Odom is the only player the spurs cant matchup with when on his game.
They have no expiring contracts worth trading for. The Spurs still need a center. However, that player does not need to be a all star and we have both a MLE and a exriring contracts.[/QUOTE]

Even if the spurs add Wallace theLakers still have the size advantage and edge. But Wallace would it closer between the two teams.

Artest is a beast that plays on both ends of the floor. He will nuetralize Jefferson. Gasol,Bynum and Odom still pose matchup problems for the spurs. Wallace would help but theres a great chance Orlando or the Celtics land Wallace and the spurs end up with their 4'th option.

The Lakers have a great front office.

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Originally Posted by SteelerNation

Sure sounds like a bunch of nervous Spurs fans running around here. Hey...If I was in your shoes, I'd be nervous to. The Lakers would sweep the Spurs with the way the line ups are now. If the Spurs get a big man like Sheed or McDyess, than the Lakers win in 5. You Spurs fans cant be serious when thinking those relics are gonna put you over the top and past the Lakers.

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Your intoxication beffudles me my friend. :lol

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Can't way to see how Ron Artest's ball pounding ways would fit in the triangle.
He could behave if he was a clear #2 or 3, and with Kobe, that would be the case. But Ron Artest is one volatile, self-conflicting individual, you never know what is going to tick him off.

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Originally Posted by Mitch Cumsteen

This is a big risk for LA. We're talking about Ron Artest, here. The dude is not stable. Throw him into that drama-filled environment with the LA media fishbowl, and anything can happen. You up the pressure on Artest and bad things have a tendency to happen.

Not to mention the fact that he isn't the defender he used to be and can be a huge chucker on a team where Kobe gets all the shots. And Kobe is a shitty teammate and domineering personality... this has all the potential of a gigantic trainwreck. Ariza is 6 years younger, doesn't demand the ball, and only getting better.

This is highly volatile. I don't understand why the Lakers take this gamble. It seems highly unnecessary when the Spurs can't keep Duncan and Ginobili healthy for the playoffs and they don't have any other real competition in the West.

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+1 Thanks for saying the obvious. Artest loves to chuck the ball up.. and there's only one ball.

It is just a tad bit too early to think the sky is going to fall. As a spurs fan I realize we have done nothing but at talent and get younger, so we still have had the better off season. The Lakers, as of now, appear to be letting go of both Odom (someone will overpay for him, by overpay I mean 10 mil per) and Ariza. That is a gamble. Plus there is the injury thing still, the Lakers have been tempting fate, two runs to the Finals and Bynum is the only guy to miss real time.
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at this stage of their careers - ariza is a better perimeter defender.

and while his offensive numbers are a bit pedestrian - that's EXACTLY what the Lakers need. he let the offense come to him and made the most of his opportunities.

they replaced him a lesser defender and a guy who shoots 40% from the floor and is used to taking 12-15 shots per game.

that's not to say that it couldn't work out splendidly for LA...but this is FAR from a slam dunk in their favor.

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Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step

You must be on Crack. You just let a young athlete who is a better shooter and defender, not to mention finisher on the break walk cause you did want to give him MLE. You replaced him with an ageing wanna be who never has been lune, who is slow for a wing, cant shoot, hogs the ball and goes off the reservation almost nightly.

Your team just got worse while we have added a lottery post guy in Blair who will punish your soft front line and a wing in RJ who with Manu will give you fits when they are on the floor together.

If the Spurs manage to grab a big...Wallace or Splitter I dont think anyone who is in their right mind would say SA is not the favorite.

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Right on all fronts. It seems the ron artest kool aid is intoxicating the LA faker crowd. But we will sober them up soon and very soon.:ihit

QUOTE=Texas 2 Step;3518322]Artest is so overrated. Did you not notice how he dominates the ball, is a piss poor shooter, turnover and foul prone and his speed is below avg for a wing player. Ariza was a better fit with more upside than Artest. Hes also gonna slow dow the Lakers fast break game as hes a half court player.[/QUOTE]

You homer fans are a joke. Many on this board said Gasol was not going to help the Lakers . You were part of the crowd that said Gasol was soft and was not going to help the Lakers.

Artest > Ariza

The spurs improved more with the additions of jefferson and Blair but they were not even close to the Lakers with their weak frontline and that is still an issue. Wallace would help but not even enough against a healthy Laker team and there is a good chance the spurs don't even get Wallace. He isn't the player he once was anymore and he is the spurs top choice. Thats how thin the spurs are.

bitchfit thread

go and wait!

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

Right on all fronts. It seems the ron artest kool aid is intoxicating the LA faker crowd. But we will sober them up soon and very soon.:ihit

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If by sober up you mean Kobe's idea of date, and by date I mean rape, yeah we will do that to Lakers. Then we will apologize and the world will move on... in time.... but we won't trust them again.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Food for thought:

Kobe(lead player) attempted over 1700 shots in 82 games last season. Pau Gasol(lead player) attempted over 1000 in 81 games. On the other hand...Odom(significant role player) only attempted 700 shots in 78 games last season.

Ron Artest in the past three seasons...1040 in 70 games, 962 in 57 games and 1037 in 69 games.

Good luck LA.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Writer

Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Chicago, Indiana,, Sacto, and everywhere he stays for more than 1 season.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





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Artest and Bowen were both considered the best perimeter defenders two, maybe three years ago. At this point, they've both lost that lateral mobility. The Spurs were smart enough to recognize it. LA apparently wasn't.

I'll give you that he had a good season in Houston last year. He usually has that honeymoon season, or in the case of years when a team desperately dumps his psycho ass mid-season, a honeymoon half season. Then it comes apart.

The reason Houston advanced was that he has more balls that TMac. Unfortunately for LA, he has less brains than you.

P.S. How's that Payton for Parker looking about now? And what's Chris Whitney up to these days?

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Originally Posted by rascal

QUOTE=dc_spursfan;3518290]I will gladly take Blair and Jefferson over Ron Artest. I don't see LA beating a healthy Spurs without signing Odom. The Lakers now have no choice but to resign Odom because they can't use a MLE. Odom is the only player the spurs cant matchup with when on his game.
They have no expiring contracts worth trading for. The Spurs still need a center. However, that player does not need to be a all star and we have both a MLE and a exriring contracts.

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Even if the spurs add Wallace theLakers still have the size advantage and edge. But Wallace would it closer between the two teams.

Artest is a beast that plays on both ends of the floor. He will nuetralize Jefferson. Gasol,Bynum and Odom still pose matchup problems for the spurs. Wallace would help but theres a great chance Orlando or the Celtics land Wallace and the spurs end up with their 4'th option.

The Lakers have a great front office.

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You are adding in Odom, which I already said gives LA advantage. If LA can't resign than our bench is much better than LA.
Also, Jefferson has a lot more speed an athleticism than Finley which is important.
If the Spurs are able to find a decent big man there really is not a sized advantage.

Parker 6'2 vs Fisher 6'1
Manu 6'6 vs Kobe 6'6
Jefferson 6'7 vs Artest 6'7
Duncan 7'0 vs Gasol 7'0
????? Between 6'10-7'0 vs Bynum 7'0

The advantage on truly comes in effect if LA resigns Odom





Hou vs Mil Jefferson 25pts 4rebs, 4 ast
Mil vs Hou 16pts 5rebs, 2ast

Sac vs Nj 36pts 9reb, 3ast
NJ vs Sac 18pts 4rebs


I would not calling this neutralizing.

Bowen=Best perimeter defender even now.

[QUOTE=Ghost Writer;3518158]Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.




Did you watch much of the Rockets this year? What they thought they were getting was low post beast, defensive stopper Ron Artest...what they got was three point chucker, bad shot selection RonRon...and he wasn't near the defensive force he has been in years past, in fact not even the best defender on the team- that would be Shane Battier.

Does he really make the Lakers that much better on defense? I don't think so...offensively he has more to offer than Ariza, but there are only so many shots to go around. If it ain't broke don't fix it. The Lakers don't need any more stars, they need great role players who do their jobs well. That ain't exactly RonRon's style.

At best this is slightly better than a lateral move given the age differences, skill sets and what the Lakers will need out of that position. At worst, this has a chance to be a destructive poison pill and an introduction of a problem where one previously did not exist. This is not Garnett to the Celtics or Gasol to the Lakers...take a deep breath, relax and wait and see how the rest of this offseason plays out. Long way to go.

The difference is now we have a 270lb rookie that is hungry, motivated, and can rebound like a machine. Please don't tell me because he is only 6' 7" that he can't box out Gaosol's twiggy ass or even Bynum for that matter. The truth of the matter is that you Laker fans are the ones getting piss scared. Philip and Buss saw how much better the Spurs have made themselves with adding Jefferson, Blair, McClinton, and who the hell knows, maybe even Gist and Hairston. Now we have the youth and athleticism to compete with your overrated Laker team. If anything, you have made your team worse by signing Artest. Face it Laker fans, your team is running scared now because the Spurs have made all the right moves this offseason and it isn't over yet.

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Jesus Fucking Christ - the off season isnt even over and SA has already improved itself significantly while not being done...and Ghost is throwing in the towel on next season come July?

Do it already

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270lb rookie that is hungry,

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:lol very very very hungry. Like all the time.

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:lol very very very hungry. Like all the time.

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If your team is up for dinner, I would tell him to have seconds!:lol

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The difference is now we have a 270lb rookie that is hungry, motivated, and can rebound like a machine. Please don't tell me because he is only 6' 7" that he can't box out Gaosol's twiggy ass or even Bynum for that matter. The truth of the matter is that you Laker fans are the ones getting piss scared. Philip and Buss saw how much better the Spurs have made themselves with adding Jefferson, Blair, McClinton, and who the hell knows, maybe even Gist and Hairston. Now we have the youth and athleticism to compete with your overrated Laker team. If anything, you have made your team worse by signing Artest. Face it Laker fans, your team is running scared now because the Spurs have made all the right moves this offseason and it isn't over yet.

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nobody is scared of the spurs...a rookie who didn't even get in the top 25 draft picks in the weakest draft in a long time? yeah teams should be really worried of him

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If your team is up for dinner, I would tell him to have seconds!:lol

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With A player gasols size, maybe thirds.:lol

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:rolleyes another worried Lakers fan...god you are still the most arrogant, idiotic fans in the NBA.

Sheed didn't play on the inside much last year and shot a bunch of 3's on a crappy Pistons team. Sorry to say but Gasol is the biggest bitch in the NBA, screaming like a little girl everytime someone makes a little contact with him on the block and of course getting the call.I thought Dirk was a bitch until I saw Gasol play on a consistent basis.:flag:

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I'm only responsing to even more idiotic posts by many spurs fans on here...the only people who are acting arrogant are spurs fans making statements that gasol is soft, lakers got worse and lakers should be scared of the spurs

SERIOUSLY...THATS WHAT YOU CALL IDIOTIC

i'm new to this forum so i will just assume that ghostwriter is the reigning hyperbole champion.

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Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

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News flash...the Lakers were better than the Spurs or anyone else in the West at this point before they got Artest. Swapping basically Artest for Ariza didn't change things in that regards.

The Spurs need to worry about getting better to compete in the west with the Lakers & the rest of the West.

The Lakers signing Artest does not diminish anything the Spurs have done thus far which has been good or will do well in the future.

I, for one, was not handing the Spurs the title because they signed Jefferson or even if they sign Rasheed like so many have. If Manu & Duncan come back healthy and can play up to their levels, the Spurs will be in the mix....and anything can happen.

You can be ready to handy the 2010 crown to LA but remember there are no guarantees no matter how good it may look.

Shit, Im glad they got Artest and got rid of Ariza. He'll get in touble in L.A., go apeshit at some point. Artest has proven to not be a difference maker at any point in his career.

I like this move by the Lakers.

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Gasol is softer than Charmin...go back to the NBA forum. The Lakers haven't got worse yet...they are still the same. The Spurs have got better and are closer to what the Lakers have now, but they still have to play the games. Anything can happen, I mean who saw the Magic going to the Finals this year?

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that soft guy just helped lead his team to a title while your spurs got stomped in 5 games against the freaking mavs...you have no reason to be arrogant.

richard freaking jefferson isn't the answer to your problems.

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nobody is scared of the spurs...a rookie who didn't even get in the top 25 draft picks in the weakest draft in a long time? yeah teams should be really worried of him

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Who said anyone is scared of the Spurs???!!!

You have the best team in the league and your team just won the championship. The Spurs got knocked out of the first round. No, the Spurs aren't better than your team and your team would beat the Spurs handily in the season and best of 7 playoff series. Feel better?

I don't get why you feel the need to belabor the obvious points over and over and over.........

And for the record, while the Spurs may not be all that, they're not exactly lottery material either. They won 50 games this year, they won their division-at least respect that.

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Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

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The Gist is offended by your tone.

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Did you watch much of the Rockets this year? What they thought they were getting was low post beast, defensive stopper Ron Artest...what they got was three point chucker, bad shot selection RonRon...and he wasn't near the defensive force he has been in years past, in fact not even the best defender on the team- that would be Shane Battier.

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Wasn't particularly close either. When the Rockets had to sit Battier and moved RonRon to Kobe, it had roughly the same effect as to when the Spurs sat Bruce and switched Udoka onto Kobe in 2008.

LMAO at Casper returning to true emo bitch form.

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So the Spurs go from Michael Finley to Richard Jefferson. The Lakers go from Trevor Ariza to Ron Artest. And the Lakers trump the Spurs? They're not even garuanteed of getting better, while the Spurs changed the entire dynamics of their team.

To trump the Spurs they'll need to swap Fisher for Devin Harris.

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Completely agree with this.

Lakers Swapping < Spurs Improving

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what a spineless pussy!!!

pathetic.

how does someone with the intellect of the OP (ie zero) have over 1 million posts?!

just another added ego to that team
looks like a recipe for disaster

Who wears short shorts?
http://www.celticsblog.com/images/st...nCs/lakers.jpg

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Who wears short shorts?
http://www.celticsblog.com/images/st...nCs/lakers.jpg

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Ron Artest and RJ are still background noise to the fact that the real question still lies with Lamar Odom and Mystery Spurs Big Man.

If the Lakers re-sign Odom (as they most likely will) the Spurs have to get their decent Big (ie Sheed, Gortat). Otherwise, the Spurs still can't contend with the Laker Bigs.

STill gotta wait and see how it shakes out.

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Glad your looking at it from such an objective point of view.

i do think its funny that laker fans were mostly quiet when we traded for RJ and drafted Blair but come out from under their rocks when they sign Ron Artest.

bandwagon at its best.

You came back for this shit??
Just go crawl back into the hole you came out of.
You think the season is already over before it even started. Some fan you are. :rolleyes

wow it must suck to live in such a pessimistic life, to go and say we are good as done before the season starts is just coward...

In the words of Shaq your a master of Panic!

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Spurs aren't getting Wallace Rump, he's going to be Celtic. You know better.

Even then, Rasheed is a relic at this point in his career. He can't guard Bynum, Gasol in the post or stay with Odom on the perimeter.

lol Blair

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Always nice to hear from the homer Laker fan:lol You scared?

nothing like getting "trumped" in the offseason.

I'll leave the "trumping" to the postseason of 2010.

Okay, first of all, Bynum is a fucking pussy bitch and he ain't ever going to amount to shit in the NBA. SEVERELY overrated by Laker fans, it's almost sickening. You would think his jersey said Abdul-Jabbar on the back of it the way people around him suck his dick. He fucking blows, he is soft, afraid to go out there and bang around and rebound, and he is bicurious on top of that (which really doesn't speak much for his game, but still, fuck him).

As for the Artest acquisition...it's the Lakers panicking to Ariza leaving and the Spurs/Cavs/Magic getting stronger. Odom staying there isn't even a guarantee, seeing as how we haven't heard shit about the Lakers offering him a contract or anything yet. He could bolt just like Ariza, and then what?

Optimistically for Laker fans, this is their outlook versus us:

Kobe - Ginobili
Parker - Fisher
Artest - Jefferson
Duncan - Gasol
Wallace/McDyess (assuming it happens) - Bynum

You better believe Wallace or McDyess will own Bynum's soft ass out there. Jefferson will probably have the duty of guarding Kobe, and Manu will be on Artest most likely (see Kings vs. Spurs 2006). Duncan and Gasol? Easy, chalk it up for Duncan there. And Parker...Tony Parker is better than any player the Lakers have besides Kobe.

And who do they have on their bench? Even if they keep Odom, they really only have one man off the bench. Farmar? Walton? VUJACIC? :lmao :lmao :lmao

Ultimately, Odom will play a big part in what happens. But, if he decides to leave, it will be an easier Spurs win than I originally thought. :toast

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Well, I was happy.

Until last night when I learned that the defending champion Lakers would be signing Ron Artest, the game's best perimeter defender who can also hit a shot.

The Spurs had opportunities to get the mercurial Artest via trade and/or free agency since 2001 when the Bulls offered him to San Antonio for scraps.

Homers like exstatic feared that he would go nuts like he did in Indiana about 5 seasons ago.

Well, I hope his performance with the undermanned Rockets showed you something.

Now the Lakers are more powerful than ever and the Spurs' offseason positioning is all for nothing.





Fvck.

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